Agreed he really did not look match fit in the two games he played, his touch was as poor as i have ever seen it.
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Agreed he really did not look match fit in the two games he played, his touch was as poor as i have ever seen it.
So off. Although cries that he should never play for England again are ridiculous.
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Yeah feel sorry for likes of huddlestone,rodwell,wilshere getting bad injuries at early age never know if will recover right, hope others we mentioned get more time and experience coz could be some wasted tallent there! Plus you never know who will be transfered/ loaned and with some clubs getting new managers maybe english youngsters will play more?Spearing can stay the **** away from the England squad
Huddlestone would play but is constantly injured, Mceachran, Shelvey, Kelly, AOC, cleverely (forgot him) will play more with experience. Carroll should get more time with Liverpool this season (improved end of season), so much competition at city im not sure how much Milner will play next season. Was benched for last part of season, will see if it continues next season
That's just an absolute joke lol, he is due another good tournament with England though. Last one was Euro2004.
The difference between Rooney at United, and Rooney for England, is quality of supply. He has had a supporting cast of Scholes, Carrick, Nani, Valencia. Quality begets quality. Rooney was poor there is no doubt about that. But when a very poor Rooney attempts and completes more passes after 90 minutes than the midfield supply in Gerrard, something is very wrong.
There is a player in United whom we signed just to boost shirt sales in South Korea, Ji Sung "Parked" Pirlo in 2009-10 when we played Milan. England needed someone to do that role, but none was able to. In that match Park just marked Pirlo whole game and Pirlo couldn't shake him off.
James Milner is quite a similar player, so perhaps he could do the job? He was too wide for most of the game, and too attacking, to deal with Andrea Pirlo, though. Perhaps we could try him in centre midfield in the upcoming games? He could be a replacement for Scott Parker when Parker retires from international duty/gets too old!
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Yeap if he can keep that end of season form up.
Deleted the post since it was meant for a few pages back and I hadn't realised, but yeah.
I think defensively Bertrand is better so i think better as an all rounder.
I agree he wasnt good enough, but the about of people calling for his head is alarming. Part of me hopes he does quit and leave them to it, which is depressing.
Good shout, the future England Left Back it seems, he has been very impressive as well for Chelsea when he gets an opportunity.
I genuinly think the same about Chelsea based England players. It's the reason why i stopped going to England games because of the hatred towards our own players. Now days i'd rather they didn't get called up so it pro-longs their Chelsea career and that's sad.
When he came in for Cole last season you would never had known Cole was gone.
I actually think there is a lot of over reaction from England fans in general.
The game was very much even until about 60 minutes had been played, their was good play and chances from both sides up until this point the game was going either way.
However after 60 minutes England could not retain the ball at all for love nor money and whether it was down to fitness levels, I am not quite sure what else it could of been, because up to 60 minutes the game was pretty much even.
The difference between the two teams?
Lack of a deep-lying playmaker and we lost possession far too often cheaply. But I feel hopeful we may have Jack Wilshere for the WC Qualifiers.
The formation was wrong and we needed an extra layer in our team to compress the spaces better e.g. 4-2-3-1. Will we see Roy change from a 4-4-2? I highly doubt it, which is a problem because so many top teams use formations like 4-2-3-1, 4-1-2-1-2 etc.
Our defence consisted of two different problems. Firstly, we had one Centre Back in Terry who has no real pace so we have to adopt a deep defensive line and often when the defensive line was pushed up we often got caught out due to this.
Second problem of the defence was Glen Johnson's positional sense which led to some of the Italian chances due to him not pushing up with the others when we have just cleared a dead ball situation e.g. corner, free kick into the box, etc.
Apart from these problems which Roy simply has to address, I still think he has done a very good job and he has not had much time to address all these issues although I have to say his selection squad was not the right choice. But we have got pride back into the England shirt and I hope in the future if the problems above are fixed and we have two Centre-Back's who are not slow (Smalling-Lescott, example). we can adopt a higher defensive line and dictate games more.
The game was very much even until about 60 minutes had been played, their was good play and chances from both sides up until this point the game was going either way.
However after 60 minutes England could not retain the ball at all for love nor money and whether it was down to fitness levels, I am not quite sure what else it could of been, because up to 60 minutes the game was pretty much even.
The difference between the two teams?
Lack of a deep-lying playmaker and we lost possession far too often cheaply. But I feel hopeful we may have Jack Wilshere for the WC Qualifiers.
The formation was wrong and we needed an extra layer in our team to compress the spaces better e.g. 4-2-3-1. Will we see Roy change from a 4-4-2? I highly doubt it, which is a problem because so many top teams use formations like 4-2-3-1, 4-1-2-1-2 etc.
Our defence consisted of two different problems. Firstly, we had one Centre Back in Terry who has no real pace so we have to adopt a deep defensive line and often when the defensive line was pushed up we often got caught out due to this.
Second problem of the defence was Glen Johnson's positional sense which led to some of the Italian chances due to him not pushing up with the others when we have just cleared a dead ball situation e.g. corner, free kick into the box, etc.
Apart from these problems which Roy simply has to address, I still think he has done a very good job and he has not had much time to address all these issues although I have to say his selection squad was not the right choice. But we have got pride back into the England shirt and I hope in the future if the problems above are fixed and we have two Centre-Back's who are not slow (Smalling-Lescott, example). we can adopt a higher defensive line and dictate games more.
I am surprised you, guys, like the football England played yesterday and are calling bullshit on whatever I said beside my defense criticizm. I tough you could look deeper tactical wise and see all these flaws and how lucky and over rated were the Englısh. Well perhaps this is the reason the squad never improved and never had a big international glory. It seems I am the only one that sees the decline of the English football this year, beside the magical UCL run from Chelsea.
Btw I do not know where from you take your descriptions for proactivity and reactivity. According to Steven R. Covey (The 7 Habbits of Highly Effective People; one of the first to actually define proactivity) reactive person is one that takes desisions based on emotions and is governed by outside influences, while the proactive one is not influenced by what happens around him, but takes actions based on principles and values. In other word proactive football should mean football based on style and strategy that forces your opponents to play under your control; it does not matter if you chose to play defensive, offensive, short and slow, quick and direct. As long as you are not forced to play under the rhitm of your opponents it might actually mean you have a good game plan and you are dictating the game.
Well, whatever I am glad that Italy with their weakest squad for ages is able to get that far and with this display and this style (controlling the ball from very deep), they might actually stand a chance against a very strong German side. At least they did fairly well against Spain and their recent form shows they are able to cope with the Germans if they can really dictate the play so well.
Btw I do not know where from you take your descriptions for proactivity and reactivity. According to Steven R. Covey (The 7 Habbits of Highly Effective People; one of the first to actually define proactivity) reactive person is one that takes desisions based on emotions and is governed by outside influences, while the proactive one is not influenced by what happens around him, but takes actions based on principles and values. In other word proactive football should mean football based on style and strategy that forces your opponents to play under your control; it does not matter if you chose to play defensive, offensive, short and slow, quick and direct. As long as you are not forced to play under the rhitm of your opponents it might actually mean you have a good game plan and you are dictating the game.
Well, whatever I am glad that Italy with their weakest squad for ages is able to get that far and with this display and this style (controlling the ball from very deep), they might actually stand a chance against a very strong German side. At least they did fairly well against Spain and their recent form shows they are able to cope with the Germans if they can really dictate the play so well.
The same English football that just took a 70% increase in TV rights? Yeah, real declination there. We haven't been successful internationally for a long time now, it's a completely separate entity to that of our league. Want to see a league that's truly in decline? Serie A, the league that's blighted by scandals and has been overtaken by Germany in the rankings. Spain were football's biggest underachievers for many years until 2008, did you use that to critique La Liga too?
Everyone knows the definition of the words, it doesn't mean you can copy them from the dictionary and throw them together in a jumble and hope to form a coherent sentence. It's also a bit rich of you to lecture on grammar when you failed to spell 'thought' in the 2nd sentence.
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No-one is saying they liked the way England played but it was the way we had to play with the player available to us. And if you think English football is going to decline you are way off the mark. Now with FFP in play sponsors have been pouring into the PremierLeague and just with my team alone (Chelsea) have signed deals with Audi, Delta Air Ways, Sauber F1 team and also asked Samsung to up their offer all within the last 2 months!!! Man Utd have DHL just to sponsor their traning kit!!!! The PremierLeague is the most watched league world wide which means it will draw in more revenue which means every club will benefit. With the new deal just signed with Sky and BT I believe I am right in saying every PremierLeague club gets an extra 14million per season. Why do you think Blatter and co dislike the English game? Because it is the giant in terms of revenue and no other country looks like they will touch it in the distant future. Basically the complete opposite will happen from what you said, English football is not declining. English football is on the the up and rapidly!
That's because you've shown repeatedly you dont know what you are talking about when it come to English football. Thats why people are calling bullshit on it. And its not just England supporters who disagree. You've flamed it repeatedly based on half baked notions, like trying to argue that RVP, of all the people in the Holland squad, was an over-rated premiership prima donna.
If you bothered to read anything people said, you'd know that we have long recognised the issues.
Nor can you use one year to call a decline in anything, its simple not a long enough period in football.
Nor is there anything actually wrong with reactive football. up until last year Germany's football was reactive.
Italy's own approach against Spain was reactive, they reacted to Spain's "False 9" by using a "False defender" in the 3-5-2, stepping up into the space.
Opinions are always welcome, but make sure they are actually credible, or not just vitriol, or they will get ripped to shreds.
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