***FM 14 TACTICAL THREAD***********************JASSAR*******

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jassar said:
First is fm itself, it is very tricky about names of mentality and fluidity, in particular the "counter" mentality is not how i imagine counterattacking football, on fm is more like "defensive" cause the team will be more narrower than standard and also the tempo will decrease. this is how fm works from counter to contain team width and tempo decrease and from control to overload the opposite. so in my opinion if you want a fast counterattacking football you may choose "attacking" but with attacking mentality all players become more offensive wich is not good for a defensive game and this is when fluidity comes in help: rigid and very rigid approach have in fm a "defensive" mind, because of the defensive changes: for example if you have a WB/A in a rigid system he will behave more as a WB/S holding more his position in defense and being more disciplined, also in a very rigid system he will behave as a WB/D staying in line with CDs. the fluid and very fluid operates in the opposite way giving all your players more creative freedom and so allows more runs with the ball or roaming from position and so on, which is good if you have good players but if you are managing an underdog this could be dangerous. personally i prefer pairing fluid/control v.fluid/attacking rigid/counter v.rigid/defensive. going back to mentality we said that a counter strategy will cause the team to be more narrow and slow, there are some shouts that modify the team shape as well: starting from passes the shorter pass instruction causes the team to stay narrower and slower, opposite to that more direct pass cause the team to stay wider and fast up the game. also hassle opp instruction will push your defensive line up while stand off drops it back. the only d-line changes doesn't change that much i think cause if i am using attacking mentality the d-line is default to "high" if i choose hassle opp the d-line becomes "high.05" and if i choose drop deeper i'm always playing with high d-line and i am always exposed to killer through balls and that's why i prefer changing mentality instead of changing only d-line. Last thing i think there are several things to keep in mind while choosing your approach not only odds, personally i watch firstly media prediction: if i am facing a team predicted to finish higher than me i will not force my team to chase a goal and sometimes i defend the draw. There is another thing about this but i will show later with the screens
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I really hope you can find something good here 'cause your tactic are amazing but this year you HAVE to play the game dynamically, i'm not so good in making my own tactic and i always use the ones i find here on this forum.
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This actually explains why my team play way more attacking and off the ball player movement is way better when I play bomb with fluid/very fluid instead of rigid. All this time I thought that using rigid/very rigid setting only restricts players to stick to their position and role and has nothing to do with being more attacking/defensive.
 
toonarmy0511 said:
This actually explains why my team play way more attacking and off the ball player movement is way better when I play bomb with fluid/very fluid instead of rigid. All this time I thought that using rigid/very rigid setting only restricts players to stick to their position and role and has nothing to do with being more attacking/defensive.
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i am happy that u read it and now i am sure ur results will improve a lot
and i am sure if anyone read this they will do amazing things with the tiki taka i am coming up with
 
I think that to achieve the guardiola concept, you must play with higher tempo or much higher tempo dependind the opposition, as one off the particularities of that system is the QUICK PASSING trough players, if u play a lower tempo they will retain the ball more wich goes against the all concept !!! ;)
 
jassar said:
i am happy that u read it and now i am sure ur results will improve a lot
and i am sure if anyone read this they will do amazing things with the tiki taka i am coming up with
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Does this mean that a team can play with the same formation home and away but only tweak the mentality/rigidity setting instead of having 2 different home and away tactics? If what bomber1 said is true this mean that we probably won't need to tweak individual players setting anymore.
 
Lok1to said:
I think that to achieve the guardiola concept, you must play with higher tempo or much higher tempo dependind the opposition, as one off the particularities of that system is the QUICK PASSING trough players, if u play a lower tempo they will retain the ball more wich goes against the all concept !!! ;)
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yes u are right but when u combine tiki taka and high tempo than that works only for good teams ...if u try that in underdogs it can really hit u hard ...

i tried it and it works great for mancity but
when i tested it in the custom database it really didn't go well

so yes it really depend on the opposition
 
Lok1to said:
I think that to achieve the guardiola concept, you must play with higher tempo or much higher tempo dependind the opposition, as one off the particularities of that system is the QUICK PASSING trough players, if u play a lower tempo they will retain the ball more wich goes against the all concept !!! ;)
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Probably play high tempo and don't assign either short passing or direct passing but just use default because if you're playing short passing it seems you'll by default slow down the play.
 
toonarmy0511 said:
Does this mean that a team can play with the same formation home and away but only tweak the mentality/rigidity setting instead of having 2 different home and away tactics? If what bomber1 said is true this mean that we probably won't need to tweak individual players setting anymore.
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yes and no than u have to keep the player instruction really neutral (not defending nor attacking ) to just tweak the mentality and rigidity
 
Bomber1 said:
End of the season with fulham:
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these are the transfer made:
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love the way u played this tactics

mate i need u to explain some of the doubts that are arising in some of our heads

i really want u to make a post here and explain this in detail and a little better as its very interesting and very important to how u can play a tactic
thanks my friend



First is fm itself, it is very tricky about names of mentality and fluidity, in particular the "counter" mentality is not how i imagine counterattacking football, on fm is more like "defensive" cause the team will be more narrower than standard and also the tempo will decrease. this is how fm works from counter to contain team width and tempo decrease and from control to overload the opposite. so in my opinion if you want a fast counterattacking football you may choose "attacking" but with attacking mentality all players become more offensive wich is not good for a defensive game and this is when fluidity comes in help: rigid and very rigid approach have in fm a "defensive" mind, because of the defensive changes: for example if you have a WB/A in a rigid system he will behave more as a WB/S holding more his position in defense and being more disciplined, also in a very rigid system he will behave as a WB/D staying in line with CDs. the fluid and very fluid operates in the opposite way giving all your players more creative freedom and so allows more runs with the ball or roaming from position and so on, which is good if you have good players but if you are managing an underdog this could be dangerous. personally i prefer pairing fluid/control v.fluid/attacking rigid/counter v.rigid/defensive. going back to mentality we said that a counter strategy will cause the team to be more narrow and slow, there are some shouts that modify the team shape as well: starting from passes the shorter pass instruction causes the team to stay narrower and slower, opposite to that more direct pass cause the team to stay wider and fast up the game. also hassle opp instruction will push your defensive line up while stand off drops it back. the only d-line changes doesn't change that much i think cause if i am using attacking mentality the d-line is default to "high" if i choose hassle opp the d-line becomes "high.05" and if i choose drop deeper i'm always playing with high d-line and i am always exposed to killer through balls and that's why i prefer changing mentality instead of changing only d-line. Last thing i think there are several things to keep in mind while choosing your approach not only odds, personally i watch firstly media prediction: if i am facing a team predicted to finish higher than me i will not force my team to chase a goal and sometimes i defend the draw. There is another thing about this but i will show later with the screens
smile.gif
I really hope you can find something good here 'cause your tactic are amazing but this year you HAVE to play the game dynamically, i'm not so good in making my own tactic and i always use the ones i find here on this forum.

this is the message u send me and i really want u to explain it more
thanks again
 
jassar said:
yes and no than u have to keep the player instruction really neutral (not defending nor attacking ) to just tweak the mentality and rigidity
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So you're saying if I play with 2 WB/A and give individual instructions to 'go further forward' and then switch to, say, counter/very rigid, then the individual settings will not get overridden and the players won't behave like WB/Ds instead?
 
toonarmy0511 said:
Probably play high tempo and don't assign either short passing or direct passing but just use default because if you're playing short passing it seems you'll by default slow down the play.
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yes that's a another way to achieve that
 
toonarmy0511 said:
So you're saying if I play with 2 WB/A and give individual instructions to 'go further forward' and then switch to, say, counter/very rigid, then the individual settings will not get overridden and the players won't behave like WB/Ds instead?
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yes it will as the counter will always keep players behind the ball mainly but once ur player sees opportunity he will run forward as he is allowed to do that
so u can take advantage of that by mixing them both
try one game as a test run with setting most attacking roles and attacking player instruction but than set mentality to counter ...lets see what happens
 
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adnarim said:
jassar so when you upload the new tiki taka?
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still on it mate ...its not easy at all ..i am just going to make one tactics and will write down how to play away from home with same tactics ...so all u guys need to do is wait and i will release it asa i am done
 
jassar said:
mate i am still working on the PPMs as i never used them in the past but now in FM14 its a big factor in players development and ur team results ...so as soon as i am done will update the OP
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Much appreciated.
 
I was top with Leeds 10 games ago using the BOMB but have now dropped down to 5th with 6 losses 3 draws and 1 win.

Any idea what might be wrong? Tried changing team about 3 times but still nothing, worried I might not end up inside the playoffs with just 6 games left.

Thanks in advance
 
I play short passing and high tempo, still having great sucess with lower teams and possession against bigger teams, plus 100 passes in the MC, in Team Instructions when u say to retain possession, play out from defense, players will retain the ball, trying to circulate and only risk passes when they see a opening, if u have higher tempo u still have the possession but player will play at higher speed being more difficult to the opposition to catch the ball, mixed up with very high defense and pressing, the Guardiola style !!! hehe :)
 
Lok1to said:
I play short passing and high tempo, still having great sucess with lower teams and possession against bigger teams, plus 100 passes in the MC, in Team Instructions when u say to retain possession, play out from defense, players will retain the ball, trying to circulate and only risk passes when they see a opening, if u have higher tempo u still have the possession but player will play at higher speed being more difficult to the opposition to catch the ball, mixed up with very high defense and pressing, the Guardiola style !!! hehe :)
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will give it a go now as i am working on tiki taka
by the way why dont u use pass into space option along with retain possession shoter passing
 
Lok1to said:
I play short passing and high tempo, still having great sucess with lower teams and possession against bigger teams, plus 100 passes in the MC, in Team Instructions when u say to retain possession, play out from defense, players will retain the ball, trying to circulate and only risk passes when they see a opening, if u have higher tempo u still have the possession but player will play at higher speed being more difficult to the opposition to catch the ball, mixed up with very high defense and pressing, the Guardiola style !!! hehe :)
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i love the high tempo ...but my only complaint will be shot on target ratio decreases...on the other hand highest d line and high tempo gives me almost 70% possession
 
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