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i remember seeing the 1998 Spa crash on youtube a few years ago, obviously I didn't see it at the time, as I was 2 or 3
i watched it live, just couldn't believe what the **** was happening - it was crazy. i would've been 16, man you make me feel old...
my clearest early memory of F1 that stand out in my mind is Berger's crash at imola 89, i just remember my grandad saying he's dead. Berger was back in the cockpit two races later thanks to Ferrari's revolutionary gear padels...
Thats when they shouldve changed the safety aspect of that circuit, not five years later :S
Piquet had a huge crash into that wall in 87 and was never the same driver again.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSeZx20wUGw"]YouTube - F1 1987 Nelson Piquet Tamburello Imola crash[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPxfsLQQ54s"]YouTube - 1989-Enzo e Dino Ferrari-Accidente de Gerhard Berger[/ame]
****, this explains it better than i can - the warning signs were there
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRbm0NiqYBA&NR=1"]YouTube - Crashes at Tamburello[/ame]
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I doubt the medals system that BE wants will ever come into effect because in all honesty its a shocker of an idea, i dont think anyone but BE wants them.
In response to wunzigan i dont know what would happen if they had to cancel a race due to weather, would be interesting if it happened, i guess they would just cancel the event because you cant really move it to the monday due to teams travel schedules etc. The weather for today at Suzuka is for it to stop raining this morning around 9am Japan time and for it to be a dry race. There is no problem for the teams inbetween Qualy and the race because they dont do much to the cars between the two sessions anyway due to Parc Ferme. Biggest problem will be if somone crashes because F1 cars are not quick to fix and even quite a minor accident like Hamiltons on Friday will take a while to fix.
The problem with running the cars in the conditions like yesterday is that the tyres cannot displace the amount of water that is on the track something that could be helped by bringing back the monsoon tyre. The other massive problem when there is standing water is aquaplaining, there was so much water on the track that at any sort of serious speed 100mph a wall of water builds up between the track and the tyre and instead of being able to cut through the water and displace it through the grooves of the tyre the tyre just floats over the top of water leading to the driver having no control. Aquaplaining is massively dangerous in any vehicle because you have no control over the car. The other issue that dosnt help the aquaplaining problem is the fact the front bib and the plank of the cars are so low to the ground is that when the car goes over a certain speed they act like a surfboard and the car aquaplanes. You could say that if the teams were able to put fully wet setup on the car ( more downforce, softer dampers, roll bars and higher ride height) then the cars wouldnt aquaplane so easily but due to parc ferme rules no team will do this because the race on sunday is more than likely dry and a wet setup loses massive amounts of time over a dry setup. However at the speeds F1 cars are capable of you will always aquaplane and with the amount of water on track yesterday it was crazy dangerous, it wasnt just F1 that had sessions cancelled none of the support races went out after the F1 practice.
Trivaldo i remember watching the Kubica crash in Canada and thinking he was dead and he was fine, its amazing how safe the cars are, but you just have to look at the Massa accident in Hungary to see how quickly things can turn bad.
BTW Legard says on Twitter that its stop raining and with no more rain expected today will more than likely be dry Qualy and race. Red Bull should walk this now.
In response to wunzigan i dont know what would happen if they had to cancel a race due to weather, would be interesting if it happened, i guess they would just cancel the event because you cant really move it to the monday due to teams travel schedules etc. The weather for today at Suzuka is for it to stop raining this morning around 9am Japan time and for it to be a dry race. There is no problem for the teams inbetween Qualy and the race because they dont do much to the cars between the two sessions anyway due to Parc Ferme. Biggest problem will be if somone crashes because F1 cars are not quick to fix and even quite a minor accident like Hamiltons on Friday will take a while to fix.
The problem with running the cars in the conditions like yesterday is that the tyres cannot displace the amount of water that is on the track something that could be helped by bringing back the monsoon tyre. The other massive problem when there is standing water is aquaplaining, there was so much water on the track that at any sort of serious speed 100mph a wall of water builds up between the track and the tyre and instead of being able to cut through the water and displace it through the grooves of the tyre the tyre just floats over the top of water leading to the driver having no control. Aquaplaining is massively dangerous in any vehicle because you have no control over the car. The other issue that dosnt help the aquaplaining problem is the fact the front bib and the plank of the cars are so low to the ground is that when the car goes over a certain speed they act like a surfboard and the car aquaplanes. You could say that if the teams were able to put fully wet setup on the car ( more downforce, softer dampers, roll bars and higher ride height) then the cars wouldnt aquaplane so easily but due to parc ferme rules no team will do this because the race on sunday is more than likely dry and a wet setup loses massive amounts of time over a dry setup. However at the speeds F1 cars are capable of you will always aquaplane and with the amount of water on track yesterday it was crazy dangerous, it wasnt just F1 that had sessions cancelled none of the support races went out after the F1 practice.
Trivaldo i remember watching the Kubica crash in Canada and thinking he was dead and he was fine, its amazing how safe the cars are, but you just have to look at the Massa accident in Hungary to see how quickly things can turn bad.
BTW Legard says on Twitter that its stop raining and with no more rain expected today will more than likely be dry Qualy and race. Red Bull should walk this now.
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Yeah the massa thing was a freak accident though... I just think the element of danger has been taken out of the sport, i dont want people hurt but its so safe now it doesn't really seperate the men from the boys - do you remember 1999 i think it was at spa, Villeneuve and Zonta trying to take Eau Rouge flat out. they didnt do it and both wrote of their cars, Villeneauve then said he was disappointed that Zontas crash was more spectacular - both walked away unhurt and raced on the sunday. If they had had those accidents ten years earlier (1990ish) they would probably both been killed. Frankly Zonta would never have dared to do such a thing being far less gifted than Villeneuve and neither would Villeneuve if serious injury was a real threat, but what you would have seen was Villeneuve taking the corner faster than Zonta due his superior driving skill...
Danger sorts the men from the boys, if they went out in a very wet race then you would see great driving from the best drivers and the less good dropping back/going off - but i do agree that it was far too wet for them to qualify. The tyre and parc ferme rules didnt help the situation.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un1FtWgTOx8"]YouTube - F1 - 1999 Spa Formula One Crashes Zonta And Villeneuve In Ea[/ame]
A time when Eau Rouge was a real corner :'(. There used to be so many great corners that took real guts to take flat out, now they dont even have to lift the throttle. Its so frustrating, the increase in saftey to tracks has ruined some of the spectacle of the great tracks. Take 130r for example it used to be a real challenge to take flat out, ask Thomas Enge and Allan Mcnish. But now even the Hispanias can take it flat out.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b3NJvkzWCk"]YouTube - F1 Tomas Enge Crash at Suzuka 2001[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFJmJsV_PMk&feature=related"]YouTube - Allan McNish Crashes Hard at Qualifying[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b3NJvkzWCk"]YouTube - F1 Tomas Enge Crash at Suzuka 2001[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFJmJsV_PMk&feature=related"]YouTube - Allan McNish Crashes Hard at Qualifying[/ame]
88 mate Senna coming thru the field to win his 1st championship!!
Impressed with Kubica starting 3rd i hope he can split the Red Bulls at the start. I also think Button could be a threat for the podium, his decision to run on the prime tyres for the start of the race is a brilliant piece of strategy and i personally think it will work well for him. Those who are starting on options (all but button) have ultimate laptime on their side but with a green track and heavy fuel loads the option tyre will struggle for life. I cant see anything other than a Red Bull 1-2 and its interesting to see Alonso seemingly struggling for pace compared to Fridays sessions. My prediciton is Vettel, Webber, Button.
Embarrasing for Massa and Ferrari to go out in Q2.
Embarrasing for Massa and Ferrari to go out in Q2.
the FIA need to get their scheduling in order especially for the Asian rounds not so much Japan but in places closer to the equator. If they are going to run race during the monsoon season-don't do it in the middle of the afternoon, that's when the bigger storms happen. Either run it earlier or run later. You'll continue to see more and more events compromised by tropical storms like Malaysia last year. SFW if Europe has to get up 1 hour earlier or 1 hour later. The rest of the world gets up at ungodly hours to watch the European races.
Winfield that wont happen whilst BE is incharge because he wants the races to be on at reasonable times in Europe because that is where the main F1 audience is. If BE had his way all the non european races would run at night so they start at 1pm uk time 2pm cet time. As for the timing of races i do agree but lets be honest this is the only time since 2004 that a session has had to be cancelled due to weather and the situation with Sepang race last year is unlikely to happen again as they moved the start time of that race forward an hour to try and advoid the rain.
It is really funny Trivaldo, we were talking about how corners have been made too safe etc and one of the corners we talk about 130r and Lucas Di Grassi has a big accident there on his way to the grid for todays race. Soooo weird.
It is really funny Trivaldo, we were talking about how corners have been made too safe etc and one of the corners we talk about 130r and Lucas Di Grassi has a big accident there on his way to the grid for todays race. Soooo weird.
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Decent race, shame there was no rain but to make up for it we still had a fair few incidents.
What's with car's rear wheels falling off all of a sudden, bit strange of it to happen twice in one race to different contructors.
Kobayashi was awesome, great to see a driver going gung-ho, hopefully a drive in one of the 'big teams' isn't too far away for him, looks a real talent.
Hamilton was unlucky, it's just not his season, partly because of bad luck and partly because of him retiring in the previous two races because of silly, unforced errors.
Who does everyone think is going to win the title? I think Alonso, Webber and Vettel will be very close but I feel that Alonso's experience in chasing the title will give him the edge, I can see Vettel making a mistake that will cost him the titledue to his (relative) inexperience.
Also if anyone has next year's driver lineups can you please post them? Thanks.
What's with car's rear wheels falling off all of a sudden, bit strange of it to happen twice in one race to different contructors.
Kobayashi was awesome, great to see a driver going gung-ho, hopefully a drive in one of the 'big teams' isn't too far away for him, looks a real talent.
Hamilton was unlucky, it's just not his season, partly because of bad luck and partly because of him retiring in the previous two races because of silly, unforced errors.
Who does everyone think is going to win the title? I think Alonso, Webber and Vettel will be very close but I feel that Alonso's experience in chasing the title will give him the edge, I can see Vettel making a mistake that will cost him the titledue to his (relative) inexperience.
Also if anyone has next year's driver lineups can you please post them? Thanks.
Ferrari: F Alonso (Confirmed) and F Massa (Confirmed)
McLaren-Mercedes: J Button (Confirmed) and L Hamilton (Confirmed)
Red Bull-Renault: S Vettel (Confirmed) and M Webber (Confirmed)
Mercedes: M Schumacher (Confirmed) and N Rosberg (Confirmed)
Renault: R Kubica (Confirmed) and (V Petrov, A Sutil, N Heidfeld)
Force India-Mercedes: V Liuzzi (Confirmed) and (A Sutil, P de Resta, K Chandhok)
Williams-Cosworth: R Barrichello (Confirmed) and (N Hulkenberg, P Maldonado)
Sauber-Ferrari: K Kobayashi (Confirmed) and S Perez (Confirmed)
Toro Rosso-Ferrari: J Alguersuari (Confirmed) and S Buemi (Confirmed)
Lotus-Renault: Heikki Kovalainen (Confirmed) and J Trulli (Confirmed)
Hispania-Cosworth: (S Yamamoto, C Klien, B Senna, K Chandhok, P Maldonado, $$$)
Virgin-Cosworth: T Glock (Confirmed) and (N Heidfeld, J d'Ambrosio, L di Grassi, P Maldonado)
For anyone who dosnt know who Sergio Perez is he finished 2nd in this years GP2 championship and brings alot of money to the team from the sponsors Telmex.
This weekend there has been alot of rumours that maybe Massa could be on his way out of Ferrari at the end of the season if he dosnt start to perform, However i cant see it happening until the end of 2011. Id be very very suprised if you didnt see Maldonado in a f1 car for next season because he has money to back him up and he was this years GP2 champion, Also Chandok is great friends with Bernie Ecclestone who wants him in a car for next year because of the Indian GP.
McLaren-Mercedes: J Button (Confirmed) and L Hamilton (Confirmed)
Red Bull-Renault: S Vettel (Confirmed) and M Webber (Confirmed)
Mercedes: M Schumacher (Confirmed) and N Rosberg (Confirmed)
Renault: R Kubica (Confirmed) and (V Petrov, A Sutil, N Heidfeld)
Force India-Mercedes: V Liuzzi (Confirmed) and (A Sutil, P de Resta, K Chandhok)
Williams-Cosworth: R Barrichello (Confirmed) and (N Hulkenberg, P Maldonado)
Sauber-Ferrari: K Kobayashi (Confirmed) and S Perez (Confirmed)
Toro Rosso-Ferrari: J Alguersuari (Confirmed) and S Buemi (Confirmed)
Lotus-Renault: Heikki Kovalainen (Confirmed) and J Trulli (Confirmed)
Hispania-Cosworth: (S Yamamoto, C Klien, B Senna, K Chandhok, P Maldonado, $$$)
Virgin-Cosworth: T Glock (Confirmed) and (N Heidfeld, J d'Ambrosio, L di Grassi, P Maldonado)
For anyone who dosnt know who Sergio Perez is he finished 2nd in this years GP2 championship and brings alot of money to the team from the sponsors Telmex.
This weekend there has been alot of rumours that maybe Massa could be on his way out of Ferrari at the end of the season if he dosnt start to perform, However i cant see it happening until the end of 2011. Id be very very suprised if you didnt see Maldonado in a f1 car for next season because he has money to back him up and he was this years GP2 champion, Also Chandok is great friends with Bernie Ecclestone who wants him in a car for next year because of the Indian GP.
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Eddie Jordan kept suggesting he knew something that the public didn't and he kept talking about massa possibly leaving Ferrai and schumacher doing something...
Massa to Merc - Schumacher to Ferrari???
Schumacher to Ferrari is ridiculous, neither he nor Alonso would want that so what about this scenario: Rosberg to Ferrari, not yet a race winner but certainly fast enough to do so but ultimately not good enough to upset Alonso.
Massa at Merc with Schumacher, they are good friends and it would still be a decent move for Massa compared to what else is still available. It solves Mercs 'Rosberg is faster than Schuey' problem and if Schumacher was consistantly beaten by Massa then we would know for sure that he has 'lost it' as they were teammates in his last season before retirement.
I think Chandok will get the Force India drive, an Indian in an Indian car at the Indian GP, Bernie, can you spell capacity crowd??
Sutil will probably get the Renault drive over Heidfeld on his age/potential unless Kubica expresses a wish for Heidfeld (cos he know he can beat him comfortably) If Heidfeld want a drive for 2011 it looks like Virgin to me....
As for the title, i agree with Webber that he probably needs to win one of the last 3 races. I think now it is realistically a 3way fight now between Red Bulls and Alonso as they will probably have the speed advantage over Mclaren in the last races and they already have points advantage.
Now that i have ruled the Mclarens out i think i would like Webber to win the title, i'm not a fan of Webber but the way the team sees him as 'number two' or at least they did, and they would certainly prefer Vettel to win - it would a nice big **** you to Red Bull... Vettel will surely have many more chances to win it as will Alonso.
Imagine, if Schumacher calls time at the end of this season and Massa moved to Merc alongside Rosberg and Webber got the Ferrari drive after winning this years title (6)
Webber got a nice shiny Number 1 on his car with Alonso number 2 and denying Red Bull the Number 1
I dont know perfectly well the characteristics of the remaining tracks, but I believe Ferrari has the edge in Interlagos and Abu Dhabi, as for the Korean GP, since it is a brand new track I wonder who will benefit. Alonso needs to win at least 2 races of the three, and hope for mistakes from Reb Bull. I also rule Mclaren out of the title race. Unless of course, Hamilton resurects, which I doubt.
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I think Vettel and Massa will swap teams, its clear that vettel is unhappy at RedBull and Ferrari have shown a interest in him before, how Vettel and Alonso will get on as equals will be interesting viewing.
As for this season I would like to see Vettel claim title but I think with sensible driving and consistent finishing in remaining races Webber will Prevail.
As for this season I would like to see Vettel claim title but I think with sensible driving and consistent finishing in remaining races Webber will Prevail.
I dont think Alonso will let Vettel come to Ferrari. He is very egocentric, and needs to be Ferrari Nr.1 Driver, any other driver in Ferrari has to adapt to the role of helping him. Just like Schumi and Barrichello, or Schumi and Massa. And believe me, Vettel wont accept that under any conditions.
On the other hand, Webber is indeed in a strong position. He doesnt need to win the races, just make sure he scores points in all of them.
On the other hand, Webber is indeed in a strong position. He doesnt need to win the races, just make sure he scores points in all of them.