Well,great results are winning lol But what I really see is beautiful one touch plays and awesome goals...yeah the long range shoots problems still there...but well at least I make another tactic ( the true is my post of the tactics was more espectacular than the tactic at this moment,but I feel it can bloom )If you believe in it - and see great results - please show it - it will be a good learning experience for me and also my test team might be to corrupted with shooting from range ppms
My team must be alot better than your bayern team because I see none of what you say - also my team is on its way to 200 goals rather than less - so regent tactic for sure. If you want an extreme defensive tactic watch below.i have completed bayern season based on jes 352 tactic , great tactic overall, winning all trophies except champions league. POssesion above 50% versus top teams and above 60% versus lower teams. A lot of shots on target. Really enjoy it when the attack clicks.
Some minor issues noticed:
-the main area that (the fulcrum) of team seem to be the defense, if you have excellent defensive players, the attack function very well
-ball interceptions are very crucial in the midfield area. If they manage to drive the ball into our area, more often than not, we are outnumbered 3 vs >3
below are the snaps of my season , including fixture results in the 2nd half because that's where things start to go not-so-well:
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nice tactic, jes !!
good tactic, bwomper !Time to explain a little the silly post before lol.
Here is the team tactic. With the Frankie template but with the addition of the preassure and the defensive line top right. (Settings from Jess tactic Underpreassure)
OI is similar like frankenstein tactic,and despite the formation,the only rol I changed is the DM,now look more like anchormen but you want box to box type players here.They go to the rival box but not so often than the normal frankie settings for this possition.
What I looking for with this formation and (not too tweaked ,I know) settings : Constant help at the midfield zone (In offence and defence). Does it means is a pure possesion tactic? Nope. Sometimes,depends of the rival, this midfield zone help can give you possesion,others can give you quick steals and probally counter. (At least I see that in some testing games,but I need a entire season with this to see something clear).
What I try and I star see it:
Almost how I want the 2 DM play. In defence stay back, also they become a part of the defensive line sometimes. Less ofensives so is better for two things: Recycle possesion and give more field to the AMCs,Wingers and Striker.
Wingers are now ML/MD : more balenced,at least for possition in the field, with the high preassure work so fine at defence and in ofence can or cut inside for play more in the middle and make numeric superiority at the central zone,or go to the by-line and pass to the box.
Double AMC,doble menace. I try the same settings like the frankenstein AMC (a key player in that tactic ) but without creative freedom in a try of see if they shoot less from long distance. These two can drive the ball from own pitch to the area and lookingo for a shoot like surprise strikers or combine in one-twos passes with the DMs and wingers and make a spot clean of defenders for the long striker. I see their performance is better than in frankenstein tactics,at least in ofence. More space for them to play thanks to the new settings for the DM and the lone striker.
I have to try more like I said,but I will add the tactics here: One is with full creative fredoom for the AMC and the other is 0 CF.
It just another tactic to try and get fun (if it works of course lol)
I start a new season now,so I will post how it goes...feel free to try it too if you want. Cheers people
The problem of that is...how to implement the offensive setting without break the defensive feelings. Too much to tweak....too many ideas....argggghhh lolMy team must be alot better than your bayern team because I see none of what you say - also my team is on its way to 200 goals rather than less - so regent tactic for sure. If you want an extreme defensive tactic watch below.
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I think this version is a beast defensively very likely the best beast ever created defensively for fm13 - in the first 19 matches they conceeded 1 goal and as you can see overall a fantastic defensive display - offense score the same as the other version where their is some CF to the players, but in my opinion this is the best one - I often saw possession in the high 70's - Cr7 Exploded with 71 goals - He got injured for 5-6months in the other test so very unfair to compare that - though Diego Costa should be about the same and he wasn't. Their is alot of balance in this formation - I think alot of things can be learned from the settings for other tactics - a definite framework that can compete with the langvatn framework defensively. the only negative is 66% of chances in most matches are off target - again that can be because my players have shoot from distance and shot with power ppms.
ps an idea is to look at the new 4141 offensively and keep the defensive settings
Your striker look very simular to my Zaragoza striker who also comes from Argentina - I'm still using the 352 under pressure and have breath taking success with them.At the end of Jan, so around half way through season and is going very well. My striker will break my record and should if he stays injury free I believe at least 80 goals this season. A few screenshots to show how it is going.
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Moyano Stats at half way point
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Will try and get full season finished tomorrow and post up how it went to the end of the season.
Amazing!!! - 106 gls that I think is the highest I have seen - No creative Freedom tactic by bwomper is a beast - If the goal is to enjoy the game and get as many points as possible and having a great defensive record with lots of possession this is a superbeast. Do your striker have any ppm's?I finished the season and went very well. In league didn't conceded a goal at home and only let in 8 in league all season which is a record for me. My striker ended up scoring 106 goals which I find astonishing and is by a long way a record for me.
A couple of sereenshots.
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Moyano season stats
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Move into channels ppm is magicActually he does not have many PPM's. Runs with ball down right/left, moves into channels and plays 0ne-twos. So only a few which makes it a little more remarkable to the amount of goals he has scored this season. Then again he does have some very nice attributes.
agree with you and Ossis regarding bwomper's tactic.Amazing!!! - 106 gls that I think is the highest I have seen - No creative Freedom tactic by bwomper is a beast - If the goal is to enjoy the game and get as many points as possible and having a great defensive record with lots of possession this is a superbeast. Do your striker have any ppm's?
In all honesty I think its cool that you post your tactic - this is not my thread its bwomper's but long ago I decided to keep things simple and post here as a gesture to give back to the friendships I feel has been made over the past 2/3 years time online at fmbase. I remember a time where people were very generous interacting and posting in my threads - so I decided to give back. Its also good to keep things simple posting in one thread. So many times I have shared my own tactics or tactics with tweaks in bwomper's thread - I don't think he mind - I think this thread has become a very strong thread at fmbase with lots and lots of content to browse through - definitely worth a read - their has been ups and downs even dumb arguments - but the main thing is the people that really cares are still here.agree with you and Ossis regarding bwomper's tactic.
apologies in advance to bwomper, a little advertisement here, if it is not right, i can remove it.
i made what i believe is a 4231 that works as i wanted to see, opponents' flanks shutdown, central midfield roadblocks, wingers and AMC that feed strikers (rather than dribble or RWB all the way to penalty box and getting blocked), so majority of shots will be from striker. Credit to all of the FM13 4231 tactics references that i find over net.
there are some problems , one of it is its weakness to double striker formation, where the ai pump balls to strikers ( pass to head/feet, not to space).
Is it possible for the tactical gurus to help take a look at the problem or any other flaws with it? Thanks.
link: 4231 vitomycin
first timer in uploading tactic, if it doesn't work, please tell.
below is a snapshot of the formation:
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