General Consensus - Match Engine *****?

Then I wonder why people have so different experiences with FM14 and the engine.
My team plays exactly the way I want them to play and I am having great success with it. Sure it has taken a lot of tweaking and adjusting tactics to one that fits my players,but it is possible.
How come some people get 40 shots on goal,but I have never seen more than max 20 total from any team in my games? And those 20 shots are usually against big teams who hammer me with everything they have.

Even my full-backs are performing really well now,both in attack and defense,after some tweaking of my tactics.
So I think it's cheap to just blame the match engine as I'm certain there's a tactical aspect that people haven't figured out yet,because of the new system with roles.

I can agree with part of this in relation to the tactical tweaks to get your team playing a bit better but (not sure if you have read this from the start) I play a fairly defensive formation which I have been changing to suit players and opposition etc... and in my first 12 games I had scored 44 goals and conceded 32. I am 2nd in the table so success in the game is not the issue but scoring and conceding shed loads of goals when you are setting up a defensive minded team shows that parts of the game are flawed.

I have never had more than 20 shots either so cant understand people getting 40 shots a game unless it is mismatched friendlies. And there is no complaint about having 10 shots and scoring once only for the opposition to have 2 shots and score both as from time to time this sort of thing happenns
 

Except that it shouldn't happen all the time, which it practically does. For some of us anyway. I could excuse the "This is football, anything can happen" reasoning if it was just 3-4 games a season, but out of 20 games, 14 of them have been like that. For me that is.
 
My Right back has 13 assists in 22 games with an average rating of 6.85. The low ratings the defenders get is ridiculous
 
I can agree with part of this in relation to the tactical tweaks to get your team playing a bit better but (not sure if you have read this from the start) I play a fairly defensive formation which I have been changing to suit players and opposition etc... and in my first 12 games I had scored 44 goals and conceded 32. I am 2nd in the table so success in the game is not the issue but scoring and conceding shed loads of goals when you are setting up a defensive minded team shows that parts of the game are flawed.

I have never had more than 20 shots either so cant understand people getting 40 shots a game unless it is mismatched friendlies. And there is no complaint about having 10 shots and scoring once only for the opposition to have 2 shots and score both as from time to time this sort of thing happenns

I play with a attacking mentality and formation (play slightly more attacking formation at home) and i have to say in first 20 games iv only conceded 16 goals and scored 34. Im derby county btw and the only signing iv made is shane duffy on loan..
 
I've been playing since Champ Man 2 and I rarely, if ever, complain about FM. I normally take the view that some things can sort of be explained based on tactics/team talks etc. For FM14 though, I have to make an exception. I can't remember encountering a match engine with more bugs than this one. I purchased from Steam on the 28th Oct, and by official release date, I felt like I was done with it - this has never happened to me before. Despite all the apparent flaws, I'm normally still playing until about March with my first save (I usually do an LLM game), but just a week later, I'm fed up of it already. My full backs have an average player rating of 4.8, players never listen to instructions, team talks are completely random in their effect and often there's a distinct feeling of 'scripted' matches, you get the feeling that no matter what you do, you're going to lose this game. I was so frustrated with one match that I literally replayed it 12 times over, just to see what the results would be. In each game, we would score first, then within 5 minutes, let in a goal, then we would always lose 4-1 - in all 12 games, against the team in last place, who had only scored 2 in 15 games prior. I think I'll join the many folks going back to FM13 for a bit until there's a patch..
 
Well, since you seem to be the Tactical Guru, maybe you should try and offer some advice to those in need, instead of being a complete ****.
And don't just say, "Oh they're just set in their ways." If you think you're so much better than them, force them to let you help them.
The problem with this is when you've been trying to help people out for the last two and a half three years at least in trying to deal with the issues they have with FM it gets a little annoying. I have a huge amount of respect for TBH, Raikan and the others for having the patience to put up with some of the **** people give out on here.
It's always the same complaints, always in the same way and people expect to be given some miracle answer.
 
I actually don't mind the new tactical set-up. With possession, my team plays some great football & I'm not particularly bothered by the incredible saves every goalkeeper seems to make.

What I do hate is not being able to remotely achieve this:
[video=metacafe;6079019/fc_barcelona_pressing_passing_vs_arsenal/]http://www.metacafe.com/watch/6079019/fc_barcelona_pressing_passing_vs_arsenal/[/video]
I know it shouldn't be easy achieving this kind of pressing at all, but my Bilbao side don't even remotely attempt to close down, who have a lot of players with a high work-rate. If opponents get some kind of foot-hold in a game, my team ends up looking like they've parked-the-bus.
 
I've been playing since 98 and really am enjoying it this season. After playing through a couple teams with the Beta and the release, I have resolved most of the defensive issues I have seen. My strikers are leading my team in scoring and I manage to get clean sheets from time to time and also have been shut out as well. The game has its quirks, but any complaints I had seem to have been fixed by patches or tactic changes
 
Nah, FM is perfect and the ME is immense if anything goes wrong it's our tactics.

Joking aside, FM is near perfect but the ME is a disaster, but as usual the die hard fanboys will always say it's your tactics.

I know what you mean, but for a lot of people posting, it is the tactics. :)
 
What I find really weird is stuff like this:
You're clear favorite to win a match. You loose it. That's OK, that's football. So you cheat, you reload it (I hate doing this, but I did it to prove my point). So, even after reloading, you loose it again. Well, maybe there's something wrong with the tactics (even though they were working fine until now). You change tactics and reload the same match. You loose again. Repeat 10, 20 times, different tactics, different lineups, different instructions. You always loose. Even if you dominate the match, a defender or the GK will do a very stupid mistake out of the blue. Like suddenly my decent GK can't grab the ball anymore. Or I'll always get a penalty against me. Or I'll always get an almost impossible goal or two scored against me (by the way, this is happening in the Portuguese 2nd Division but it also happened before I got promoted).

I have to ask...is the Match Engine broken or is the game simply scripted? I've always defended this game against the 2nd accusation but I'm starting to have my doubts.
 
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What I find really weird is stuff like this:
You're clear favorite to win a match. You loose it. That's OK, that's football. So you cheat, you reload it (I hate doing this, but I did it to prove my point). So, even after reloading, you loose it again. Well, maybe there's something wrong with the tactics (even though they were working fine until now). You change tactics and reload the same match. You loose again. Repeat 10, 20 times, different tactics, different lineups, different instructions. You always loose. Even if you dominate the match, a defender or the GK will do a very stupid mistake out of the blue. Like suddenly my decent GK can't grab the ball anymore. Or I'll always get a penalty against me. Or I'll always get an almost impossible goal or two scored against me (by the way, this is happening in the Portuguese 2nd Division but it also happened before I got promoted).

I have to ask...is the Match Engine broken or is the game simply scripted? I've always defended thnecris game against the 2nd accusation but I'm starting to have my doubts.

Wow necro much?

And did you actually play the matches or did you holiday your multiple attempts? B/c if you actually played through the match and couldn't win 1 out of 20, you are probably one of the worst FM players on the forum. Holiday/instant results uses less variables to calculate a result, so its easier to win/lose.

Post screenshots of your 10-20 times reloaded attempts with different tactics/instructions or I call bs.

So here is my problem:

I was playing with SJ Ver in Portugal's 3rd level division. Mid-season I got this issue where I was getting ties non-stop. After the seventh tie in a match I was clear favorite to win, I tried the save/reload approach. It was useless. I always lost or tied the same game. Mind you, the goals I suffered where incredible bizarre situations like the GK stopping in front of the ball waiting for the opposite team's player to cross the entire field (under pursuit by my defender) and eventually scoring on a 1-on-1 situation. I tried different tactic, different instructions, different line-up, but it was always a tie/loss.
After installing the 14.3 patch, some of the bizarre situations stopped happening, but the results were the same. After trying to use no instructions at all, I got a 3-0 win. But the next matches, I kept loosing. After reading this forum, I learned a bit more about team instructions and got a couple of instruction presets to use. Using those presets I got an almost impossible promotion to Portugal's 2nd level. Won every game of that season after getting the presets.
On my 2nd season, things weren't that easy (as expected). It was clear I was gonna fight relegation. But still, I managed to get a few ties. Weird thing is, it was only ties. Again, seven or eight in a row against vastly superior teams (no wins, but also no losses). It was disturbingly familiar. Team moral was OK, so when I got drawn against a 3rd level team on the Cup, I expected a nice win. It didn't happen. After having 2 penalties scored against me, I only got through by scoring on the dying moments of E.T. (3-3) and then coming through on penalties. Back on the league, the ties resumed. I tried messing with the instructions and tactics but only got defeated. Until I got to play the other promoted team, Freamunde. They were below me on the league, with low morale and I was a clear favorite to win the match. My team's morale wasn't great, but it was OK. Again a tie.
So I went back to the old save/reload routine, thinking something wasn't right. No matter what tactics, line-ups or instructions I used I always lost/tied. Sometimes I scored first (most times I didn't), but I always tied/lost. When I thought I'd get a win, the GK suddenly stopped grabbing the ball every time or I'd start suffering unbelievable goals from out of the box never before seen on Portugal's 2nd Division (one or two) or the occasional penalty. I reloaded the save well over ten times, maybe twenty.
There's no point keeping playing the game like this, having stuff like this happen every season. If the game isn't scripted (which I refuse to believe it is), it seems the match engine isn't exactly working well. What gives?

So you're wondering why you are having trouble after being promoted into a higher league? It's not the match engine...it's your tactics and your players. As a recently promoted lower league team, you should be aiming to avoid relegation and increase that transfer budget at the end of the season so you can bring in better players. Also since you are on a winless streak you should be using team talks to boost morale every 2-3 losses/ties.
 
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Even if you dominate the match, a defender or the GK will do a very stupid mistake out of the blue. Like suddenly my decent GK can't grab the ball anymore. Or I'll always get a penalty against me. Or I'll always get an almost impossible goal or two scored against me (by the way, this is happening in the Portuguese 2nd Division but it also happened before I got promoted).

This is the Portugese second division, at that level the vast majority of goals are going to come from stupid defensive errors. (If by "impossible goals" we're talking about thirty-yard piledrivers, same applies as they're far more common in lower divisions because of the weaker keepers.) Watch any real-life League One or League Two weekly highlights and you'll see what I mean.
 
What I find really weird is stuff like this:
You're clear favorite to win a match. You loose it. That's OK, that's football. So you cheat, you reload it (I hate doing this, but I did it to prove my point). So, even after reloading, you loose it again. Well, maybe there's something wrong with the tactics (even though they were working fine until now). You change tactics and reload the same match. You loose again. Repeat 10, 20 times, different tactics, different lineups, different instructions. You always loose. Even if you dominate the match, a defender or the GK will do a very stupid mistake out of the blue. Like suddenly my decent GK can't grab the ball anymore. Or I'll always get a penalty against me. Or I'll always get an almost impossible goal or two scored against me (by the way, this is happening in the Portuguese 2nd Division but it also happened before I got promoted).

I have to ask...is the Match Engine broken or is the game simply scripted? I've always defended this game against the 2nd accusation but I'm starting to have my doubts.
i thought i was the only one who had this... i think that the game is scripted as ive said before it must be in coding of the game... i think what the guys at si have tried to achieve this year is to make the game realistic by limiting the number of games you can go unbeaten... they've tried to replicate what happens in real life when out of no where a team like chelsea loses to crystal palace which happened the other week or the other result when chelsea played against west ham the stats were all in favour of chelsea but they didnt manage to score and also another thing is the fact that strikers just cant seem to score goals when they are one on one... i think they tried to replicate this from what happens in real life because this does happen but it doesnt happen as often as it does... i have strikers with finishing of 17 and 18 and composure of 15 and 16 and they cant seem to score one on ones... they miss 4 in five and score the fifth one that really gets on my nerves...
 
i thought i was the only one who had this... i think that the game is scripted as ive said before it must be in coding of the game... i think what the guys at si have tried to achieve this year is to make the game realistic by limiting the number of games you can go unbeaten... they've tried to replicate what happens in real life when out of no where a team like chelsea loses to crystal palace which happened the other week or the other result when chelsea played against west ham the stats were all in favour of chelsea but they didnt manage to score and also another thing is the fact that strikers just cant seem to score goals when they are one on one... i think they tried to replicate this from what happens in real life because this does happen but it doesnt happen as often as it does... i have strikers with finishing of 17 and 18 and composure of 15 and 16 and they cant seem to score one on ones... they miss 4 in five and score the fifth one that really gets on my nerves...

Sorry but no. What often happens is the AI, after being beaten once by your formation, decides to use a different formation the next time to counter your original formation. And there's player form, which is represented by hidden attributes (consistency, important matches, etc.), which is why team depth is very important.
 
Sorry but no. What often happens is the AI, after being beaten once by your formation, decides to use a different formation the next time to counter your original formation. And there's player form, which is represented by hidden attributes (consistency, important matches, etc.), which is why team depth is very important.
and you just assume that i wasnt aware of this?
 
there are tons of people who enjoy the game. All these people ITT claiming the game is broken or scripted are lazy, frankly. The game is incredibly deep, and figuring out how to win games takes time. Tactics take time. If you dont have the time for these things, maybe you should give Fifa a try?

If you've reloaded a single game 20 times in an effort to get a single result, and you cant, its clear you dont know what you are doing. Are you watching the game? Are you changing your shouts/tactics based on what they are doing in the game. are you paying attention or just putting it on key and hoping that you win? (i suspect most folks on here complaining abut the game being scripted do the last one quite often)

head over to the SI games tactics forum and read the top 3 guides, they will change the way you play the game, and add fun back to it.

if you cant get results, its something you are doing. period.

if the game isnt fun for you, maybe you should stop playing. If you hate the game, and you've decided that you hate it so much you are going to waste more of your time complaining about it on a forum, well, maybe you should get your priorities in order.
 
I wouldn't call those people "lazy". Not all of them anyway. ;)

Sometimes it's just a case of not knowing what is wrong, apart from the scoreline obviously, and not knowing how to fix what's wrong. Sometimes you know what's wrong, but don't know how to fix it either! I've been there.

You have to either ask for advice or start watching matches and stats in more detail to try and see for yourself.
 
What I find really weird is stuff like this:
You're clear favorite to win a match. You loose it. That's OK, that's football. So you cheat, you reload it (I hate doing this, but I did it to prove my point). So, even after reloading, you loose it again. Well, maybe there's something wrong with the tactics (even though they were working fine until now). You change tactics and reload the same match. You loose again. Repeat 10, 20 times, different tactics, different lineups, different instructions. You always loose. Even if you dominate the match, a defender or the GK will do a very stupid mistake out of the blue. Like suddenly my decent GK can't grab the ball anymore. Or I'll always get a penalty against me. Or I'll always get an almost impossible goal or two scored against me (by the way, this is happening in the Portuguese 2nd Division but it also happened before I got promoted).

I have to ask...is the Match Engine broken or is the game simply scripted? I've always defended this game against the 2nd accusation but I'm starting to have my doubts.


First off it is lose, not loose. Now onto your quite frankly ridiculous post.


There are far more factors in winning a match than tactics. Press-conferences, team talk, training, morale etc are all as equally important. If you are the favourites heading into the match you have probably got complacent yourself and just thought it'd be an easy game, so you give the wrong team talk, your players think it will be an easy game then they mess up. Then YOU JUST MOVE ON, TAKE THE LOSS, LEARN AND MOVE ONTO THE NEXT GAME. Reloading it achieves nothing, if you've saved on the actual game day then everything I alluded to earlier has been factored and locked in. It is down to you to get the team-talk, team selection etc right now which you are not hence you reloading it.


Also if you are changing tactics just before a game you think that'll work? No wonder why so many people struggle with FM, a lot of players are still naive. Look at it like this. If your team have been playing say a possession based 4-3-3 all season then out of the blue on match-day your team is told they're playing a counter attacking 4-2-3-1 how will they react? In the normal way, they'd ask what the **** is this guy doing managing a football team if he thinks we will just adjust to that ON MATCHDAY and win the game.


You reloading the game 10,20 times and still losing is indicative of poor management skills or being a bitter person who can't accept defeat. You lose the same game 20 times over and have learned nothing? And you have the audacity to question if the match engine is scripted? Hilarious. Mistakes happen man, get over it. They happen nearly every week in football and if you're going to tell me in every match you've reloaded the game was lost due to a mistake by one player then I'll laugh at you.


Can you please define how you dominate games? I have seen plenty of people point to possession stats and again, I laugh. Having 60% possession isn't dominating someone. If you have 20 shots and 7 on target you are being tactically out-thought by the AI.


One thing I see all the time is people ask is the game scripted, simple question back at them, why? Why would SI do that? What do they achieve exactly? They couldn't do it anyway unless they did something incredibly complex with the ME. Which is code in the ME's ability to differentiate between AI and Human.

I know this came off blunt, harsh and I look like an SI apologist which I am not. FM14 has its flaws and it is inferior to 13 but posts like this annoy me. When I was new to the game I shamefully reloaded a handful of times and WON BECAUSE I LEARNED WHY I LOST IN THE FIRST PLACE. If you are losing the same game, 10, 20 times over then the problem is lying at your feet. Holiday your reloaded games in the future and I guarantee your assistant will win it for you more times than you will. ****, upload the save of the game and I'll play it for you or someone will and I am sure someone will win the match first go. Disproving your ridiculous theory.


Of course it is based off of an assumption that you DID save on matchday but it makes it worse if you didn't and have gone through the week leading up to the match and haven't noticed any problems. If you're giving the same team-talk, press conference etc then again, that is your problem and surely you'd learn from that?

The thing is, a lot of FM players are naive (as aforementioned) or new to the game and haven't grasped it yet because of its complexity (Si's fault for not making it very friendly to new players) and when they fail they quickly shoulder the blame on SI because they can't accept maybe, just maybe they are bad at the game. Of course awful ME bugs cost you the game sometimes and you have right to complain. But you losing the same match over and over is your fault, not SI's.
 
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If I had realized how rude people were in here I would have never posted. Some people in this forum have been very helpful with my problems. Others just seem horrible fan boys aching to put others down. Is this game that important to you that you take it personal if someone has trouble with it?
And yes, there are problems with the match engine. All games have problems. This one did too, hence the patches. If you deny that, you need a nice cup of reality.

This is sad, because people like bluebird123 seem to have some potential good advice, but I'm not even taking it because of the rudeness.

And about you being a little grammar ****, I'll tell you this: when you speak my native language half as good as I speak yours, you can correct me from your high horse, until then be a little more humble. I'm not saying you can't correct my grammar, you can (you should), just don't be an *** about it.
 
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