Hodgson issues Cup rallying call

[Zebedee]

The thing is he never said it was a one way thing at all. Did he? He simply stated what he heard, and he said, he had honestly never heard it sung at an OT game... and he apologised if any of the OT supporters have offended you, as they are the minority like any set of fans like that, and you get all defensive over it, bringing up Utd supporters songs, when he was simply saying he didn't like the songs sung about Munich.. Your either looking to much into this, or just wanted to paint Utd supporters all with the same brush, either way it is BS

Utter nonsense. Read his initial post and follow up. He's being exceptionally myopic in his first post ("oh but the Munich chants", after our fans had been pelted with coins yet again and had the usual loveable songs sung about Hillsborough, Heysel and Michael Shields and had a few lads beaten up on the way in) and a sarcastic ***** in his second.

Got to wonder if some of you could locate Old Trafford on a map, let alone have attended a game there, never mind one against Liverpool.

The atmosphere is vile for Liverpool and Manchester United - and Liverpool fans share responsibility for that, unlike say our matches against Everton where the vitriol is almost exlusively in one direction. Every match goer knows that. Everyone knows not to leave the big group or you risk getting a beating and how much of an **** it is to be escorted to get locked in at the end of the game and then be escorted to Piccadilly even if you have no need to catch the train. Everyone knows that it's not flowers being thrown and warm handshakes exchanged and to keep your hood up because that's nor raindrops falling on your head.

Some of the older fans welcome the fact that it isn't a sanitised version of football. Can see that point of view - especially the Mancs who say it given how septic Old Trafford has become with the day trippers for most of your matches.

Fun thing is to have it coming from a generation of fans who haven't got a clue about the events they're referencing. Whether it's the lads who only took to singing stuff about Munich because Shanks wasn't there any more to kick some sense into their heads or the generation of fans who really have no idea about crushes in terraces or the violence which was common across Europe as a whole in football at that time. Not that you lot haven't tried to recreate it with the Italians yet again - who'd have thought that the Scousers weren't lying about Roma fans being shithouses all those years ago? Or that City and United fans threw darts at each other at matches?

Deal with your own idiots, and we'll do our best to try and keep our lads on the right track. Having sanctimonious twits talking out of the arses helps no-one.

 

[Scott]

You're going to the game?

I do hope your fans don't spit their dummy out if you take another beating.
They really let themselves down last time with the munich chants. It was a tad pathetic to see.

Can honestly say i've never heard a hillsborough song being sung by any significant part of the crowd at a united game. So hopefully that will continue on sunday.

Well to be completely honest in all the games i've been to the closest i've seen to a United version of the munich songs and accompanying mime, is one guy shouting about it. Needless to say no one else joined in and he shut up. It wasn't much of a song either.

You must have some ****** good hearing to have heard him. Sorry for any offence he may have caused.

Utter nonsense. Read his initial post and follow up. He's being exceptionally myopic in his first post ("oh but the Munich chants", after our fans had been pelted with coins yet again and had the usual loveable songs sung about Hillsborough, Heysel and Michael Shields and had a few lads beaten up on the way in) and a sarcastic ***** in his second.

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In all his posts, he is being completely open.. He is honestly telling what he has encountered, now i know he is only 17-18 so he hasn't been about long enough to know the ins and out of the 80s Gang culture, but that is irrelative to what he was saying, even though i am sure he liked the history lecture on it. (Y). If he has never heard what the United fans, apparently, sing to you guys, then how can he possibly comment. and i am not saying it doesn't happen, becuase there is enough Idiots about to make it very likely.

 

[MisterStubbs]

during the last game both these sides met at Old Trafford, both sets of supporters where singing chants to try and provoke a reaction. United fans chanted "Murders" from start to finish and 'Pool fans replied with songs about Munich. both as bad as each other in that sense but thats football banter isn't it?

 

[Zebedee]

In all his posts, he is being completely open.. He is honestly telling what he has encountered, now i know he is only 17-18 so he hasn't been about long enough to know the ins and out of the 80s Gang culture, but that is irrelative to what he was saying, even though i am sure he liked the history lecture on it. (Y). If he has never heard what the United fans, apparently, sing to you guys, then how can he possibly comment. and i am not saying it doesn't happen, becuase there is enough Idiots about to make it very likely.

Are there sections of your support who are genuinely that sheltered? Honest question.

And I'm not throwing stones here - some of our lot are disgraceful at times. No sympathy for the morons who were jumping lads and dads around the ground over the past few years and who ended up going down for it. No time for those who think humming dambusters is incredibly amusing.

Just really tired of the finger wagging when Munich chants are reported but all the other **** isn't. If we're going to get the horrid stuff out of the game and keep the atmosphere, it's something which has to be done by honest dialogue. And credit to Redcafe and other Manc supporters for being open and trying to educate some of their younger fans about stuff. We try to do the same. And we take the same flak from elements of our fanbase for doing it as Redcafe does for doing the same thing. It is getting better in some respects (2006 was possibly as bad as it's got for a while), but hopefully we can get beyond some of the less classy stuff. Neither of us are Chelsea after all, thank god.

 

[Scott]

Are there sections of your support who are genuinely that sheltered? Honest question.

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Some of our Supporters have no idea what football used to be like, I myself am only 18 year olds. so haven't really experience any of it, at live games, but my dad educated about the dangers of live football from a very early age, so whenever i go to Games, i look out for myself, Even at clubs like QPR, Ipswich, Norwich my usual visitors, i have to look out for myself, but i go out on the lash in places like Great Yarmouth, some of the rough areas of London, so i know all about the dangers of being alone at night... Thank god i have personally experienced any of it as yet in my life.. But some fans are sheltered from reality.

 

[goonergun435]

Its not ur team anymore Hodgson

 

[Ben]

At least we have a percentage of a chance under Kenny.

 

[19-11-08]

Seems like my hearing is a **** of a lot better than yours. Eyesight too. Either that or you've not actually been at a Manchester United vs Liverpool game. No skin off my nose. I don't sing Munich songs out of respect for Sir Matt. But coming on all high and mighty about trying to bait drunk away support into singing a Munich song so you lot can whinge about it afterwards is a bit rich. Just a personal opinion, mind. Last time the Munich song got an airing on the Kop btw, the lads who started it got a beating. Mind you, the urchins did pour **** and **** on you lot from the upper tier of the Anny a couple of years back (sorry bout that - who'd have thought the Norwegians could be so creative?), although I'll be wearing waterproofs on Sunday as the Salford rain resembles spittle inside Old Trafford.

You had a dig at United, so i had a dig at Liverpool.
Seems i may have touched a nerve with my comment. Sorry about that.
Hope you have a good time at the game.

I've been to the last 3 games against liverpool at old trafford and going this sunday as well, by the way.

 

[Alex]

Come onnnnnnn. That United team looks there for the taking.