Holiday Mode Verses Instant Result Verses Simulated Result Verses Playing the Game.

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Which Option Will Give the Best Results?


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Could you provide the link for the original one for me please? I would like to test a bit too. One thing I noticed on the underdog version at least is that Consistency isn`t 20 for all players, that adds some randomness to the game too
TPL
 
all that proves is how bad holiday mode is I would be very shocked is there was that much of a variation in any of the other 3 methods.

Will1981, you used Instant Result and had 132 pts vs 118 pts... now do you see that when you test for 60 matches it's like a drop in the ocean and you always need to test no less than 300 matches...
 
Will1981, you used Instant Result and had 132 pts vs 118 pts... now do you see that when you test for 60 matches it's like a drop in the ocean and you always need to test no less than 300 matches...
I have never used instant result in my testing threads, I always use simulated result but it will be very interesting to see how it compares.
 
I have never used instant result in my testing threads, I always use simulated result but it will be very interesting to see how it compares.

Will, guys from SI never had any plans of making two different modes such as "Simulate Match" and "Instant Result", it's the same thing just "rebranding" and they haven't bother to remove the code for the old thing because the full mode officially doesn't support "Instant Result" option at all and nobody shouldn't been seen any of these options at all for the full game mode and we see them only because skin makers hacked into the code and brought them up.

"Holidaying Mode" is a totally different thing and the results that you get by it will be very different from what you get using "Instant Result" or when "normally" play matches by yourself because some very different mechanic is used to calculate the result of the matches when you use "Holidaying Mode".

Also, you might not see any difference in your results when you play with "Instant Result" vs. when you "normally" play matches and it depends on what roles are used in your tactic and what players are used because your assistant manager might tweak your tactic when you use "Instant Result" or he might not and it depends on his "thinking" what roles are the best for your players and that's sucks because you never can be sure that your tactic won't be changed when you use "Instant Result".



P.S. Btw, try the new V2 version of my tactic that I made to be used with Instant Result and you'll win EPL with your Leicester team in 3 seasons with almost 100% probability, of course, if you improve your team every season. ;) This tactic shows the best performance with Instant Result that I've seen in FM16.
 
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And yes... 60 matches is a ridiculously small testing sample in FM16 and I hope you'll see it during your testing there might 15-25% points different in 60 matches distance and even more and it depends on the quality of your team compare to other teams in the testing league.

The weaker your team compare to other teams in the league the more random result you get. If your team is such strong favorite that is much stronger than any other team in the league then your result will be much less random compare to if you team was the weakest team in the league it's obvious because if you pick Barcelona and play 100 matches vs any non-professional team then you'll get 100 wins without any randomness but if you play 100 matches vs Real Madrid then there might be some sufficient randomness.

So testing with a very strong favorite team give you less random results but the same time these results are less useful because the stronger your team the less important your tactic so it's always the best to test with a weaker team and no less than 300 matches because in this case you get the best understanding about the quality of your tactic.
 
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Well you can see in the tactic screen that 4 different tactics are getting used, then it is not 100% the tactic getting tested??
Could you just for fun do a season on holiday and not pick a tactic to see how it goes?
IMO holiday mode is a no go
 
Holiday = Random factor caused by staff.
Instant = Random factor caused by staff and instability of mode not built for full use.
Simulation = same as above, new name.
Playing = Random factor caused by you as a manager.

Pretty much.
 
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[TD="class: et1, width: 39"]106[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 41"]115[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 45"]6[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 43"]11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: et1, width: 176"]Holiday Mode V4[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 42"]60[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 50"]28[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 47"]11[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 40"]21[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 44"]133[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 35"]103[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 72"]30[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 39"]95[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 41"]86[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 45"]4[/TD]
[TD="class: et1, width: 43"]12[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
I think Simulated Result and Instant Result might be the same, that small variation may be explained by Consistency not set to 20 for example.
 
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