I think I may have stumbled upon an FM 2011 'Diablo'

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Right i've played half a season with hull with this tactic

Here is the league table:

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and my results:

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Half-Season Analysis



I have mainly been looking at the Goals Conceded:
  • 14 of the goals i have conceded have come from simple crosses where the winger has been given too much space
  • 7 of them have come from breaks where both full backs have been in the opposition half
  • 9 goals have come from either corners or deep free kicks
Goals:
Strikers - 22
Attacking Midfielders - 3
Central Midfielders - 2
Fullbacks - 0
Centrebacks - 7

Assists:
Strikers - 6
Attacking Midfielders - 7
Central Midfielders - 6
Fullbacks - 5
Centrebacks - 3

Passing
Goalkeeper - 65%, just a bit lower than the division average
Defenders - completion ratio averaging around 75%
Midfielders - between 80-87%
Attacking Midfielders - 80%
Strikers - averaging 75%

Summary
There is definately something there with this tactic, it just needs a little tweaking. The fact that so many goals coming from wide positions could be addressed and that a lot of goals are coming from counter attacks. The full backs have been to blame for a lot of my goals and maybe they are a little exposed. They are already set to be defensive so i don't understand why they are caught out all the time. They maybe would benefit from a defensive midfielder but this could take away aspects from the attacking game.
Defending set pieces has been a problem with so many free headers given to the opposition, perhaps it is needed to tweak the defensive positioning.
My strikers have got a lot of my goals which has been positive, Aaron McLean had 8 in 9 before he got injured for 4 months, so i have missed him and maybe there would have been more goals had he been fit.
34 goals in 23 games is not great (its probably my team to be fair) but there is lack of goals from midfield. If they could add more goals it would mean i wouldn't have to rely on my strikers as much. Having said this, the midfield passing has been good and they have managed a few assists.
The goalkeepers pass completion rate is fairly poor (maybe the distribution could be changed to quick throw or defender collect) as is the case with the defence.
 
foster13 said:
Right i've played half a season with hull with this tactic

Here is the league table:

View attachment 149326

and my results:

View attachment 149327

View attachment 149328

Half-Season Analysis




I have mainly been looking at the Goals Conceded:
  • 14 of the goals i have conceded have come from simple crosses where the winger has been given too much space
  • 7 of them have come from breaks where both full backs have been in the opposition half
  • 9 goals have come from either corners or deep free kicks
Goals:
Strikers - 22
Attacking Midfielders - 3
Central Midfielders - 2
Fullbacks - 0
Centrebacks - 7

Assists:
Strikers - 6
Attacking Midfielders - 7
Central Midfielders - 6
Fullbacks - 5
Centrebacks - 3

Passing
Goalkeeper - 65%, just a bit lower than the division average
Defenders - completion ratio averaging around 75%
Midfielders - between 80-87%
Attacking Midfielders - 80%
Strikers - averaging 75%

Summary
There is definately something there with this tactic, it just needs a little tweaking. The fact that so many goals coming from wide positions could be addressed and that a lot of goals are coming from counter attacks. The full backs have been to blame for a lot of my goals and maybe they are a little exposed. They are already set to be defensive so i don't understand why they are caught out all the time. They maybe would benefit from a defensive midfielder but this could take away aspects from the attacking game.
Defending set pieces has been a problem with so many free headers given to the opposition, perhaps it is needed to tweak the defensive positioning.
My strikers have got a lot of my goals which has been positive, Aaron McLean had 8 in 9 before he got injured for 4 months, so i have missed him and maybe there would have been more goals had he been fit.
34 goals in 23 games is not great (its probably my team to be fair) but there is lack of goals from midfield. If they could add more goals it would mean i wouldn't have to rely on my strikers as much. Having said this, the midfield passing has been good and they have managed a few assists.
The goalkeepers pass completion rate is fairly poor (maybe the distribution could be changed to quick throw or defender collect) as is the case with the defence.
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All Duly noted, nice detailed feedback Foster. Very Nice. Width is a definate issue and Im working on this as I type. I could just have them back as the strikers do drift to the flanks (A feature I really like as it kills Man Marking) Ive found that It tends to be a bit too fast to play with most teams so I'm gonna tone down the tempo. Hopefully this wont have a negative effect. Set Pieces will just come from practice at defending them. When this system works Ive found it REALLY works. Thanks for the feedback, will be of great help.
 
I think people that test tactics should automatically be forced to write a half season review like Foster13 has done, that looks like it could be very helpful to laffles and to anyone who actually writes up a tactic for the website.

It's definitely more constructive than "omgz this tactis is **** lolz!!11!11!!!"

Well played foster13.
 
laffles said:
All Duly noted, nice detailed feedback Foster. Very Nice. Width is a definate issue and Im working on this as I type. I could just have them back as the strikers do drift to the flanks (A feature I really like as it kills Man Marking) Ive found that It tends to be a bit too fast to play with most teams so I'm gonna tone down the tempo. Hopefully this wont have a negative effect. Set Pieces will just come from practice at defending them. When this system works Ive found it REALLY works. Thanks for the feedback, will be of great help.
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It probably doesn't help that i'm testing the tactic with a weaker team as it will be harder to play in this style.

What do you think about dropping the deep lying playmaker back to DMC. He could cover the defence whilst still have the same role as deep lying playmaker. Would it affect the attack of the team too much?
 
I think it would pull the team back too far, and it would be easier to mark him out of the game, whereas in the 3rd CM role he exploits a slight game glitch where a 3rd CM is rarely marked, allowing him to move and pass the ball freely. When he plays well the whole team does. Its the most important role in the team. Im using Reading now (Im testing with LOADS of teams) and have Karacan in this role. He's playing brilliant in that role. :) Made a huge 114 passes against Falkirk in a friendly
 
yeah thats a good point. Hows the reading save going and have you made any changes to the beta?
 
No changes on the beta, But I will be releasing a V1 soon. Reading is going well. Havnt started the season yet but the friendlies look promising.
 
laffles said:
No changes on the beta, But I will be releasing a V1 soon. Reading is going well. Havnt started the season yet but the friendlies look promising.
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just wondering

have you still got the origanal squad or have you signed anyone
 
Christ, Laffles. If this tactic is as good as the Napoli Diamond, I think you'd deserve a knighthood or something.
 
Wooot wooot VRSN 1 is out! *downloads* Also I must ask:
Do you use OI?
What's match prep?
 
NO shi* sherlock, I've been using this tactic for the last three season's with Notts County in League 1.

If you want to play possession Football my experience has been very similiar to what laffles has posted. I've been managing Notts Co in English League 1 for the last three season's and have great success in my third season playing a slow, narrow brand of possession Football. Now if anyone has ever played in the lower leagues of English Football in FM it's all about the 4-4-2 with your wingers running up and down the wing all day trying to cross it to the big forward to head the ball in and playing narrow exposes you to those runs.

However I've managed to find a tall centre back with decent ratings for pace, tackling,anticipation and have the lowest amount of goals conceded in the entire league so far and my striker who also has been set to "Poach" is also leading the goal scoring charts.

Some points to note

- My team are set to play with a 4-3-1-2 formation. That is two Centre backs and two wing backs!! Not Full backs but wing backs. No one should be playing with a flat back four anymore especially if they are playing a narrow 4-4-2 diamond where the DM sits in front of the two centre backs. I've set my wingbacks to support and if I had the budget I would buy a wingback with high ratings (>>>15) for crossing, decisions and tackling etc. BTW my WBR has the highest number of succesful tackles in the league at the moment, so dont forget abt looking for a wingback who also has decent stats for tackling and also acceleration as you're going to need it especially if you're playing in the lower leagues in England.

- My midfield consists of a flat three central midfield set to play narrow of course. The advantage of this especially against a traditional 4-4-2 formation is that you outnumber the oppositions midfielder's and hence you can use your extra man for attack. However I set my MC to defend and have recruited a midfielder with very high stats for work rate, stamina, determination etc. The other two midfielders i.e MCR & MCL are set to support and I've kept it very basic as I've set their tactic to central midfield as my players don't have the technical ability to play as box to box midfielders etc. Important stats to look for are passing, creativity, flair etc.

My AMC is set to attacking midfielder and hence he creates and also looks for opportunities for himself to score. Now this is important as it allows you to have an extra man up forward when playing against a traditional back four. If I had the budget I'd look for an AMC with high stats for decision's, passing, flair, creativity and anticipation.

My strikers are both set to poach and as laffles has pointed out you dont need to do anything fancy such as trying to figure out if they'd be better suited as a deep lying playmaker etc. The fact that they sit high up the pitch usually means that if you're opponent commits too many players forward then you'll have two strikers available to launch a quick counter and playing with this fornation is probably best suited to counter attacking, but with the proviso of if you play a slow tempo then most of the time you're players will probaly look to pass the ball sideways than try a through ball in front a striker. Stats to looks for are a player with high ratings for acceleration 13 and above is a bare minimum as you'll be looking to thread through balls between the opposition central defence and hence it is no good having a player who isn't quick enough to run onto the ball!!. Also you need good stats for anticipation, dribbling and passing as with this tactic a good striker will also set up chances for his strike partner.

Now once again, if you're going to play narrow and slow you need to play with wingbacks. Their runs down the wings draw the the opponent's full back thus giving more space for your midfielders or your strikers to run into. If you play with a traditional back four with two full backs sitting on the halfway line doing nothing than you'll find that the opposition full back will either cover the runs of you strikers or have the space down the wings to set up attacking moves. Also if you set your tactic to 'retain possession" and "pass to feet" than what will happen is that every time the opposition tries to crowd the top of the box with defenders etc than your midfielders will pass the ball sideways to your wingback thus retaining possesion and if you have a wingback who is quite smart he'll run the ball all the way to the touchline for a dangerous cross into the box.

Now I wish I could show you screenshots but I can't be bothered at the moment but I hope that's shed some light on how to play slow, narrow possession Football
 
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maniau said:
Wooot wooot VRSN 1 is out! *downloads* Also I must ask:
Do you use OI?
What's match prep?
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No OI unless I play a Massive Team.
Match Prep is advised to be Defending Set Pieces as they are a problem.

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vulcan76 said:
NO shi* sherlock, I've been using this tactic for the last three season's with Notts County in League 1.
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What are you on about?
 
Read the post Einstein, it might solve your problem of the opposition wingers having too much space to play into.
 
adnarim said:
vulcan76 upload your tactic.
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No way dude, I'm not into uplading tactic's etc. I believe if anyone is going to play FM 2011 than it should be up to them figure out which tactic's work best etc, no offense inteded dude, but anyone who reads my post will be able to use that as a solid foundation for their tactical set up.
 
vulcan76 said:
Read the post Einstein, it might solve your problem of the opposition wingers having too much space to play into.
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Aha, Sorry, My Laptop only showed the No sh*t sherlock part. I was like huh?

The whole post is very informative. Will have to try that
 
laffles said:
Aha, Sorry, My Laptop only showed the No sh*t sherlock part. I was like huh?

The whole post is very informative. Will have to try that
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The wing backs are the key laffles, BTW if you like playing slow and narrow you should also try the XMAS TREE tactic the Italians are quite fond of. It's 4-3-2-1, with 2 AMC's and a solitary striker and three CM's.
 
vulcan76 said:
The wing backs are the key laffles, BTW if you like playing slow and narrow you should also try the XMAS TREE tactic the Italians are quite fond of. It's 4-3-2-1, with 2 AMC's and a solitary striker and three CM's.
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Just Gonna Say. Wingbacks= Genius.

The inclusion of them with my Confuse the AI attacking system has made me particularly solid :)
NICE
 
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