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Say all you want, Ronaldo is the best player in the world. Messi would be NOTHING without his Barca players.

This is my status on Facebook at the moment pretty much. Completely agree with you mate.
 
This is my status on Facebook at the moment pretty much. Completely agree with you mate.

Absolutly agree with you! I hate Messi fans who think he is so "humble" and therefore supports only him. CR7 is something special :wub: He can turn games around himself.
 
Absolutly agree with you! I hate Messi fans who think he is so "humble" and therefore supports only him. CR7 is something special :wub: He can turn games around himself.

I don't care that Ronaldo isn't humble, tbh I like him even more because of his arrogance and at times he carries madrid.
 
Ronaldo is arrogant because he can be. People hate him without decent reasons, saying he cant play bla bla bla... and he just proofs them wrong.
 
I don't care that Ronaldo isn't humble, tbh I like him even more because of his arrogance and at times he carries madrid.

Yeah! It's really annoying when people say Messi is better, and when you ask why..."he is humble". Like stupid Dani Alves who said that worlds greatest players should be "humble"..but Ronaldo is the best and he carries Madrid, when they can't do it by themselves!

Messi in the other hand, have 10 players around him, and almoste everyone of them are one of the best players in their position.

Hala Madrid! :wub:
 
Messi showed who was better in El Clasico.
 
Love how it's only United and Madrid fans jizzing over Ronaldo. I posted this a month or so back on the Ronaldo V Messi thread:

I say it is a pointless debate because we all know Ronaldo is better than Messi. Here are a few things to prove it.

Ronaldo has been in better form this season. He has scored more goals and made more assists. This makes him the better player.
That isn't actually true. Ronaldo has scored 18 goals (5 penalties) and made 6 assists this season in all competitions. Messi has scored 23 goals (0 penalties but he has missed one) and made 11 assists this season in all competitions. They have both made 19 appearances.

It's not fair to judge them on this season. If you look back over the years, Ronaldo has always been more effective than Messi.
This also seems to be wrong. Ronaldo has scored 174 goals in 377 games. He has also made 74 assists. That is on average, a goal or an assist every 1.52 games. Messi has made 63 assists and scored 150 goals in 233 games. That is on average, a goal or an assist every 1.09 games.

Maybe at club level Messi is superior, but what has he ever done on the International stage?
Well, apart from scoring a magnificent solo goal to win Argentina their last match against bitter rivals Brazil, he has also scored against world champions Spain. That, and the fact he was nominated for player of the tournament at the last World Cup.

Yes, well it's all well and good that Messi has done more with Argentina than Ronaldo has with Portugal. I mean, Argentina are far better than Portugal anyway. Ronaldo is proven in England, that makes him better.
Not necessarily, actually. Zidane, Cruyff, Pele, Platini, Maradona - all of them have been amazing players yet never graced the English leagues with their brilliance. Does this mean Ronaldo is better than them?

Good point, but Messi is not built to succeed in England. Send Messi to Stoke, Bolton or Blackburn on a cold afternoon and he would do nothing. Ronaldo would rip them apart.
Ronaldo has only scored 1 goal in 9 visits to the Reebok, the Britannia or Ewood Park. Can Messi really do no better than that?

Fine, but what about Messi's record against English clubs. It is shocking. He can be marked out of games easily. Against Spanish teams, Ronaldo would score for fun.
Messi has actually scored 5 goals against English clubs in the Champions League. When playing for United, Ronaldo never scored against a Spanish club.

Messi can't really do it in big games, though. His record against Madrid must be poor. Barca on the other hand are weak defensively and Ronaldo would destroy them given the chance.
Messi has scored 7 goals and made 4 assists in 8 El Classicos. He is also the youngest ever player to score in an El Classico and is the only person to score a hat trick in an El Classico this century. Ronaldo has never scored in his 6 appearances against Barcelona.

It's not fair to judge the 2 players on last night's performances. It was just a 1 off game. Ronaldo has achieved more in his career.
Messi has won 13 major trophies compared to Ronaldo's 9. He has also won 13 major individual accolades compared to Ronaldo's 11. He has also won 48 individual awards compared to Ronaldo's 44.

Messi plays better because he plays for a better team. When Barca are on form, they are unstoppable, with or without Messi.
Don't you think there is a reason Messi plays for Barca, the best team in the world? It wouldn't have anything to do with him being the best, would it?

Obviously for those of you who aren't the sharpest, I am being sarcastic. Messi >>> Ronaldo.
 
Love how it's only United and Madrid fans jizzing over Ronaldo. I posted this a month or so back on the Ronaldo V Messi thread:


Some United fans*

And I think what Alex posted earlier on proves any doubters.
 
This is my status on Facebook at the moment pretty much. Completely agree with you mate.

If Ronaldo's team play was half as good as Messi's.
Then yes, i'd agree.
 
Wow, are people coming here to say that Messi is best because he donates 5 euros to the Charity?! XD

Well Ronaldo carries his teams, just look at barca team and you see that there are 3 ballon d'or nominated.
That tells you what kind of teammates he has. Ronaldo will always be the best and i dont like watching Messi because he does nothing new! It's boring.. RONALDO FOREVER!

End of it! Idc if Messi donates more to charity! Good nights!
 
Wow, are people coming here to say that Messi is best because he donates 5 euros to the Charity?! XD

Well Ronaldo carries his teams, just look at barca team and you see that there are 3 ballon d'or nominated.
That tells you what kind of teammates he has. Ronaldo will always be the best and i dont like watching Messi because he does nothing new! It's boring.. RONALDO FOREVER!

End of it! Idc if Messi donates more to charity! Good nights!

What has charity got to do with a thing? I don't see anyone who's mentioned that?

Ronaldo's team play is worst than Messi's, and say what you like about who's better, but the one thing Messi is not, is boring to watch.

Also, Ronaldo disappeared in El Clasico, Messi was phenomenal. Surely that's where he needs to excel if he wants to be known better than Messi?
 
Messi showed who was better in El Clasico.

^^WHS

Messi is a better player. Ronny is something special, and one of a kind, but for me, Messi is on course to be better than Diego.

FIVE REASONS WHY MESSI IS BETTER THAN RONALDO

Team Player
Messi is a team player, whereas CR is a one man show. A lot of high profile people have grilled his 'selfish' style, whereas every goal Barca score, Messi is involved.

Stays On His Feet
- While Cristiano Ronaldo wins several free-kicks for his side as he is constantly being fouled by the rival defenders in Lionel Messi’s case, it is almost impossible to tackle him given his supreme ball skills which reflect in his lane changes, drag backs and quick turns which often mesmerize the opposition. The Argentine’s dribbling skills, most of which are instinctive, are second to none which makes him a much more skilful player.

Effectiveness
If you look at the stats, Messi’s ratio of shots on goal to the total shots is way better than that of CR7 in the last two years. Messi has had 58 shots on goal from his 115 attempts in the current calendar year as compared to CR7’s 63 in 165. For 2009-10, Messi’s 119 shots were on target from 233 endeavours to do so. CR7 was not far behind with his 109 in 243 tries.

Attitude
Messi has it all. The way he takes punishment and keeps going and his never-say-die mentality are admirable. You will never see Lionel Messi on the ground unless really injured, or with his head down before the end of a game, or even jogging if there is any remote chance of getting to a ball that's seemingly unreachable. Now take a look at Ronaldo. While his talent and potential are unreal, we see images too often of him crying, arguing, or just throwing tantrums that take away from his abilities and his team's chemistry.

Titles
On both club and individual levels, Messi has eclipsed RCR in terms of awards and trophies -

Ronaldo

Premier League: 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
FA Cup: 2003–04
League Cup: 2005–06, 2008–09
FA Community Shield: 2007
UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup : 2008

World Player of The Year: 2008
Balon D'Or: 2008


TOTAL - 11 Awards/Titles

Messi

La Liga:2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10
Copa del Rey: 2008–09
Supercopa de España: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010
UEFA Champions League: 2005–06, 2008–09
UEFA Super Cup: 2009
FIFA Club World Cup: 2009
Olympic Gold: 2008

World Player of The Year: 2009
Balon D'Or:2009


TOTAL - 16 Awards/Titles

'Nuff said.
 
Wow, are people coming here to say that Messi is best because he donates 5 euros to the Charity?! XD

Well Ronaldo carries his teams, just look at barca team and you see that there are 3 ballon d'or nominated.
That tells you what kind of teammates he has. Ronaldo will always be the best and i dont like watching Messi because he does nothing new! It's boring.. RONALDO FOREVER!

End of it! Idc if Messi donates more to charity! Good nights!

I've never known anyone talk as much **** as you do.

Says it all when you support the two richest clubs in football tbh.
 
Ye, i do it because they are rich? Well if you say so....talk about attitudes? Everyone who worked with Ronaldo have said that he is the first and last on th training ground. He is little arrogant yes. But so what?

How could Messi be arrogant? That guy was born sick with that hormone something sickness....Ronaldo is like a hollywood star too...i bet the arrogance comes from there.

Should Messi be arrogant... he is 169cm, (got some hormone treatment to even reach that), his face is fu**ed up. ........thats why he is not arrogant. Arrogance just doesn't fit him.

About effectivness...every1 knows that Messi shoots 99% of his shots from 1-3 meters of the goal. Ronaldo shoots longshots much more...thats why he misses much more. Every1 doesn't chip/pass the ball in the net.

Stay on his feet: Ye, Ronaldo dives sometimes..not as much anymore. Di maria is RM diver nowdays. Messi
is not a pure angel either, or have someone forgotten that he scored with his hand once?

Team player: I admit he is maybe more like a team player...i dont know if it is the case if he wouldn't have players like Iniesta and Xavi on his team.
 
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The post above is too big to quote on my iPhone, but youre argument is seriously just, meh.

Messi chips and passes the ball in the net mist of the time because Barca can so easily split a defence with a pass.

As for his face being ****** up, looks pretty ok to me.

Messi is the best player of most of the members on here generation. Ronaldo no doubt is world class, no one will deny that, anyone that does is clearly deluded. But he's bot better than Messi.
 
Ye, i do it because they are rich? Well if you say so....talk about attitudes? Everyone who worked with Ronaldo have said that he is the first and last on th training ground. He is little arrogant yes. But so what?

How could Messi be arrogant? That guy was born sick with that hormone something sickness....Ronaldo is like a hollywood star too...i bet the arrogance comes from there.

Should Messi be arrogant... he is 169cm, (got some hormone treatment to even reach that), his face is fu**ed up. ........thats why he is not arrogant. Arrogance just doesn't fit him.

About effectivness...every1 knows that Messi shoots 99% of his shots from 1-3 meters of the goal. Ronaldo shoots longshots much more...thats why he misses much more. Every1 doesn't chip/pass the ball in the net.

Stay on his feet: Ye, Ronaldo dives sometimes..not as much anymore. Di maria is RM diver nowdays. Messi
is not a pure angel either, or have someone forgotten that he scored with his hand once?

Team player: I admit he is maybe more like a team player...i dont know if it is the case if he wouldn't have players like Iniesta and Xavi on his team.

Your arguement does not justify your point that CR7 is better. the fact that you have to use Messi's growth hormone deficiency to make that point, means you are clutching at straws.
 
Ronaldo is better in my opinion because he is more complete. Ronaldo has carried every team he's played for and scores 25+ goals a season no matter what.

I don't think the same can be said for Messi. You could put Ronaldo in any team and he'd score 20 goals a season by himself. He creates his own chances as well as other people's chances.

Messi is a team player, but if you put him at a lesser team he wouldn't be as effective as the players around him wouldn't be as good. He needs the players around him to do what they do for him to be effective. In my opinion he wouldn't score 25+ goals a season without the players around him doing what they do and being the best in the world at what they do.

Until Lionel Messi comes to the Premier League and carries a team like Ronaldo did, I will always say that Ronaldo is better than Messi.

Both are out of this world, but Ronaldo a bit more so imo.
 
WHS ^

For me, Messi >>> Ronaldo.
 
It's all down to opinion.

IMO Ronaldo >> Messi for the reasons stated above. But of course people's opinions will differ.
 
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