Liga BBVA 2010-2011 Thread.

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Watching diving worse than Barcelona's would probably infuriate me, but if I can get to watch an El Salvador league match (Not sure where to find that) then I shall.

El Salvadoran league matches will be tricky (maybe rojadirecta or myp2p), though you can check out CONCACAF Champions League (on both those sites). I once saw a match of an El Salvadoran team against the Columbus Crew and it was the worst game in any sport I've ever seen. The players and coaches on both teams ended up fighting. They have absolutely no concept of sportsmanship. Their national team is terrible too, and if they are up by a goal they will waste 15 minutes with "injuries."

An alternative would be to watch an important league game in Argentina or Brazil, or perhaps the Copa Libertadores. It's pretty out of control.

As someone who watches them consistently, honestly Barca is not that bad. Busquets and Pedro definitely have their fair share of moments. Alves dives sometimes, but no more than your typical Brazilian. And Villa has the occasional dive. But few even complained about them before the Real Madrid series. I agree they were terrible, but honestly it has a lot to do with the context. That's what you're going to get if you play two teams that hate each other a bunch of times in a row. Especially when one team plays with completely negative tactics.

I've always hated diving, but much less so because I've become a bit desensitized to it after watching so much South American football. It is an art, after all. Mascherano's dive was perfect because it stopped a completely legitimate goal and was hard to pull off. It was obvious from a TV angle that it was a legitimate goal, but from the ref's angle it was trickier, and he did a very good job of selling it. I don't like diving but IMO boring tactical football is much worse. That's why I'll watch diving Argentines and Brazilians over the tough guys at Stoke.
 
Guys ignore Sunil. His hatred for Barca is stronger than what anyone has here for another club, it's borderline crazy. I've seen some haters in my day but he takes the cake. Yeah they've got some divers but they're not any worse than your typical Latin club (and definitely not worse than Real Madrid, his new team), no reason to hate them so passionately. He also said in another thread he hated every Spanish player other than Casillas and one other guy (might have been Alonso), so I don't see why he even posts in the La Liga thread. You can't really take him seriously when he talks about La Liga or Barca because he's so passionately one-sided. If someone posted like he does against the Prem and ManU on this forum they'd definitely get a lot of infractions.

Mind your business?

I never assume anything just to prove my point like a certain Curtis do.

Yes i hate Midget army. Big deal. They are hated by every other club supporters only if you can open your eyes to see what is happening on the field..

Many hate England national team but support English clubs.. So? How does that even matter?


As someone who watches them consistently, honestly Barca is not that bad. Busquets and Pedro definitely have their fair share of moments. Alves dives sometimes

ROFLMAO... Sometimes? Seriously?

You can give 100 excuses, nothing will justify the shambolic diving, play acting, hounding the ref, racist comments made by Barca players. You are biased as much as i hate them. So you can't see them doing anything wrong.

Yeah God's gift for the beautiful game..
 
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El Salvadoran league matches will be tricky (maybe rojadirecta or myp2p), though you can check out CONCACAF Champions League (on both those sites). I once saw a match of an El Salvadoran team against the Columbus Crew and it was the worst game in any sport I've ever seen. The players and coaches on both teams ended up fighting. They have absolutely no concept of sportsmanship. Their national team is terrible too, and if they are up by a goal they will waste 15 minutes with "injuries."

An alternative would be to watch an important league game in Argentina or Brazil, or perhaps the Copa Libertadores. It's pretty out of control.

As someone who watches them consistently, honestly Barca is not that bad. Busquets and Pedro definitely have their fair share of moments. Alves dives sometimes, but no more than your typical Brazilian. And Villa has the occasional dive. But few even complained about them before the Real Madrid series. I agree they were terrible, but honestly it has a lot to do with the context. That's what you're going to get if you play two teams that hate each other a bunch of times in a row. Especially when one team plays with completely negative tactics.

I've always hated diving, but much less so because I've become a bit desensitized to it after watching so much South American football. It is an art, after all. Mascherano's dive was perfect because it stopped a completely legitimate goal and was hard to pull off. It was obvious from a TV angle that it was a legitimate goal, but from the ref's angle it was trickier, and he did a very good job of selling it. I don't like diving but IMO boring tactical football is much worse. That's why I'll watch diving Argentines and Brazilians over the tough guys at Stoke.

I'll keep an eye out.

I've hated Barca's diving since the Arsenal matches last year, drived me crazy. And growing up in England I'd take hard-tackling sides like Stoke over horrendous divers any day.
 
I've always hated diving, but much less so because I've become a bit desensitized to it after watching so much South American football. It is an art, after all. Mascherano's dive was perfect because it stopped a completely legitimate goal and was hard to pull off. It was obvious from a TV angle that it was a legitimate goal, but from the ref's angle it was trickier, and he did a very good job of selling it. I don't like diving but IMO boring tactical football is much worse. That's why I'll watch diving Argentines and Brazilians over the tough guys at Stoke.

Well Curtis, there are many Cules who abused Mascha for that incident and many cules were ashamed of it. Good that you are very proud of it. There is no point in talking about diving, playacting with you as you like them more than hard tackling game.
 
Mind your business?

I never assume anything just to prove my point like a certain Curtis do.

Yes i hate Midget army. Big deal. They are hated by every other club supporters only if you can open your eyes to see what is happening on the field..

Many hate England national team but support English clubs.. So? How does that even matter?




ROFLMAO... Sometimes? Seriously?

You can give 100 excuses, nothing will justify the shambolic diving, play acting, hounding the ref, racist comments made by Barca players. You are biased as much as i hate them. So you can't see them doing anything wrong.

Yeah God's gift for the beautiful game..

Never said their behavior in that game was OK but you do blow it out of proportion and you're inconsistent. Real Madrid was just as bad as they were that game, and it was their negative tactics that encourage that type of behavior anyway. The RM fans make monkey noises when Alves touched the ball yet you bring up one instance of trash-talking on the field. The list goes on and on.

I may be a bit biased because I like them at the moment but nowhere near your hatred for them.

The difference is if you hate them and Spaniards that much you shouldn't be posting in the La Liga thread. And we won't take you seriously when you talk about anything from Spain because you're obviously extremely biased. If I hated ManU and and all English players to that extent, there is no way I would go around constantly talking about it on this forum, and no one would take me seriously. This is an English and not a Spanish forum so you can get away with it.

Well Curtis, there are many Cules who abused Mascha for that incident and many cules were ashamed of it. Good that you are very proud of it. There is no point in talking about diving, playacting with you as you like them more than hard tackling game.

Not proud of it, not even justifying it, I was just explaining it from the perspective of those who doesn't think diving is that bad. Masch's dive was "perfect" in that it was well done and it got him exactly what they needed. Did I like it? No. Should he have been carded for it? Yes. I don't like this part of the game, and hated it when I first got into the sport, but I don't mind it as much as I used to, and I can at least understand the perspective of the people that think it's an art. That mentality doesn't exist as much in the Prem, which is a very physical league, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong. It is a part of the game, after all. And used by every team.

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I'll keep an eye out.

I've hated Barca's diving since the Arsenal matches last year, drived me crazy. And growing up in England I'd take hard-tackling sides like Stoke over horrendous divers any day.

I guess that's where we differ. When I first got into the sport I absolutely hated diving. Drove me absolutely nuts. Now I'm pretty desensitized to it. I still don't like it, but IMO it's no worse than playing negative football. Both involve playing a type of game that ruins it for the fans but gets the result. And of course negative football encourages diving. Maybe the hard-tackling sides like Stoke are better sportsmen than the divers in Brazil, but as a fan I want to watch attractive football, so I'd way rather watch the Brazilian team than Stoke. Diving and complaining takes away from the game, but it's a minute or two of something annoying that to me pales in importance compared to the 90 minutes of what's happening on the pitch.

And of course the other thing about diving is that we all hate it when it's against the team we're rooting for and we overlook it when it's our own team. Every team has them, name me one top-tier team that doesn't have any divers.
 
Never said their behavior in that game was OK but you do blow it out of proportion and you're inconsistent. Real Madrid was just as bad as they were that game, and it was their negative tactics that encourage that type of behavior anyway. The RM fans make monkey noises when Alves touched the ball yet you bring up one instance of trash-talking on the field. The list goes on and on.

I may be a bit biased because I like them at the moment but nowhere near your hatred for them.

The difference is if you hate them and Spaniards that much you shouldn't be posting in the La Liga thread. And we won't take you seriously when you talk about anything from Spain because you're obviously extremely biased. If I hated ManU and and all English players to that extent, there is no way I would go around constantly talking about it on this forum, and no one would take me seriously. This is an English and not a Spanish forum so you can get away with it.
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We? I though Curtis was one person. Again baseless assumption on which your life is built on. Go on and past another 1000 word post.

I hate Spanish NT and i will post in La Liga thread as La Liga is not just about Spain. There are other players who play in La Liga too. Its none of your business to tell whether i should post here or not as instead of quoting me and wasting bandwidth you could have kept everything shut..
 
El Salvadoran league matches will be tricky (maybe rojadirecta or myp2p), though you can check out CONCACAF Champions League (on both those sites). I once saw a match of an El Salvadoran team against the Columbus Crew and it was the worst game in any sport I've ever seen. The players and coaches on both teams ended up fighting. They have absolutely no concept of sportsmanship. Their national team is terrible too, and if they are up by a goal they will waste 15 minutes with "injuries."

An alternative would be to watch an important league game in Argentina or Brazil, or perhaps the Copa Libertadores. It's pretty out of control.

As someone who watches them consistently, honestly Barca is not that bad. Busquets and Pedro definitely have their fair share of moments. Alves dives sometimes, but no more than your typical Brazilian. And Villa has the occasional dive. But few even complained about them before the Real Madrid series. I agree they were terrible, but honestly it has a lot to do with the context. That's what you're going to get if you play two teams that hate each other a bunch of times in a row. Especially when one team plays with completely negative tactics.

I've always hated diving, but much less so because I've become a bit desensitized to it after watching so much South American football. It is an art, after all. Mascherano's dive was perfect because it stopped a completely legitimate goal and was hard to pull off. It was obvious from a TV angle that it was a legitimate goal, but from the ref's angle it was trickier, and he did a very good job of selling it. I don't like diving but IMO boring tactical football is much worse. That's why I'll watch diving Argentines and Brazilians over the tough guys at Stoke.

Just because in comparison to some unknown or less publicised teams they are not bad, doesn't mean they are not bad in themselves. Barca are the worst team diving wise across the top flight leagues I watch. The only thing that makes me see some light in it is because of what Jose Mourinho did at Porto to win the CL.

Barca have no excuse - they can play the best football in the world - arguably the best team of all time - yet they sink to low as to having to dive and pressurise the referee to get decisions and results their way.
 
Yes i hate Midget army. Big deal. They are hated by every other club supporters only if you can open your eyes to see what is happening on the field..

I like Barca... And I don't get this Midget Army 'insult' why do you keep calling them that?!

Wee bit silly imo.
 
I like Barca... And I don't get this Midget Army 'insult' why do you keep calling them that?!

Wee bit silly imo.

Yes maybe.. But actually i dont think its an insult..

Actually i had stopped with posting Barca hate posts, then again Curtis quoted me for no reason to insult me. Maybe in the heat i called them Midget army again. Actually i dont even treat it as an insult.

Anyways its time to end it.. They can rot in **** for all i care.. Should save bandwidth...
 
I like Barca... And I don't get this Midget Army 'insult' why do you keep calling them that?!

Wee bit silly imo.

With the exception of Pique and Busquets, Barcelona have a pretty small side. Bit childish to call them that though.
 
We? I though Curtis was one person. Again baseless assumption on which your life is built on. Go on and past another 1000 word post.

I hate Spanish NT and i will post in La Liga thread as La Liga is not just about Spain. There are other players who play in La Liga too. Its none of your business to tell whether i should post here or not as instead of quoting me and wasting bandwidth you could have kept everything shut..

I don't think anyone takes you seriously when you mention anything in the country of Spain.

You said you hated every Spaniard other than Casillas and one other player, so I don't see why you'd post here. If I said I hated every Englishman save for two players, I probably wouldn't be allowed to post in the England section.

Just because in comparison to some unknown or less publicised teams they are not bad, doesn't mean they are not bad in themselves. Barca are the worst team diving wise across the top flight leagues I watch. The only thing that makes me see some light in it is because of what Jose Mourinho did at Porto to win the CL.

Barca have no excuse - they can play the best football in the world - arguably the best team of all time - yet they sink to low as to having to dive and pressurise the referee to get decisions and results their way.

But I'm not just talking about El Salvador, I'm talking about virtually every Latin American country, including the two best footballing nations in the world. They dive, play-act, and complain more than Barca does. As far as Barca goes, they are no worse than other teams in Spain, Italy, Greece, or similar nations. I watch La Liga very regularly and that's just the culture in these places. Annoying, but you get used to it after a while, and even though there are way more divers in La Liga than the Prem, I still watch it because I like the football better. The only team I like watching in England is Arsenal, and I really like watching a lot of different teams in La Liga. I'd prefer watching Villarreal and Atletico to any Prem team, maybe even Arsenal. The same goes for the Argentine and Brazilian leagues, and maybe the Mexican league too. For me, playing attractive football is more important than diving, which is why Barca makes up for their antics in my eyes. That's just my philosophy, and I know few in England, Germany, or the US would agree with me, but there are a lot of other people who would.

But yeah, Barca was terrible in the first leg, and the Mascherano incident was awful too, but people are going absolutely nuts over it. I don't it's fair to make such a huge judgement just based on a couple of games. And as I said before, RM's tactics definitely encouraged them to act like that. Definitely doesn't exonnerate them, but I think it does a little bit. Had RM gone out and played quality football we would have gotten a quality match without all of that bullshit. Yet no one wants to criticize RM for absolutely parking the bus at home when they have the world's most talented squad and have traditionally aimed to please the fans. Anyway, week in and week out I don't think Pedro and Busquets are any worse than Nani, for example.
 
I don't think anyone takes you seriously when you mention anything in the country of Spain.

You said you hated every Spaniard other than Casillas and one other player, so I don't see why you'd post here. If I said I hated every Englishman save for two players, I probably wouldn't be allowed to post in the England section.
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We? I though Curtis was one person. Again baseless assumption on which your life is built on. Go on and past another 1000 word post.

I hate Spanish NT and i will post in La Liga thread as La Liga is not just about Spain. There are other players who play in La Liga too. Its none of your business to tell whether i should post here or not as instead of quoting me and wasting bandwidth you could have kept everything shut..

Broken taperecorder. Samething again and again. Assumption is what makes you happy. Enjoy..

La Liga is not only about Spain. I dont think anyone can be that ignorant. Many many hate England NT but supports english clubs. So whats your point?

I like many players in Atletico Madrid, Villareal, Madrid, Sevilla.. So just shut up and mind your business instead of telling others whether to post or not. Your love for Diving, play acting should make you not to post in any forums.
 
Pichichi race 2010/11:

Ronaldo 33
Messi 31.

Its on..
 
Ronaldo bagged 4 last night.. He's insane.
 
Broken taperecorder. Samething again and again. Assumption is what makes you happy. Enjoy..

La Liga is not only about Spain. I dont think anyone can be that ignorant. Many many hate England NT but supports english clubs. So whats your point?

I like many players in Atletico Madrid, Villareal, Madrid, Sevilla.. So just shut up and mind your business instead of telling others whether to post or not. Your love for Diving, play acting should make you not to post in any forums.

First of all, grow up. I don't like diving, I just mentioned that some people don't mind it as much as others and some people think it's an art and a part of the game. It's also used by every time and the people that complain about it are always pointing out their rivals doing it and ignore it when their own players do it.

Second, I take it all of those players are foreigners since you said you hated all Spaniards other than Raul and Casillas and you said you were "anti-La Liga." I don't see why someone with that attitude would be posting in a La Liga thread. If I made comments like yours against ManU, Liverpool, the Premier League, or English players in general people would tell me not to post in the England section and I might get infracted. Pretty common sense.
 
Eat your heart out Messi, Ronaldo has just completed another hat-trick. Two more goals are needed to equal the La Liga record ^^)
 
Ronaldo bags another hat-trick. 7 goals in 2 games. 36 league goals in 35 league games and 49 goals in 52 games in all competitions.

Amazing.
 
Pichichi race 2010/11:

Ronaldo 33
Messi 31.

Its on..

Its really on.. 36 for Ronaldo. Amazing player.. Scored 49 goals where the hardly play as a team.. Just cannot wait for next season to see how many he will score once they have settled squad..

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Ronaldo is 2 goals shy of beating Hugo Sanchez's record of 38 goals..

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First of all, grow up. I don't like diving, I just mentioned that some people don't mind it as much as others and some people think it's an art and a part of the game. It's also used by every time and the people that complain about it are always pointing out their rivals doing it and ignore it when their own players do it.QUOTE]

We dont ignore. Nani gets criticism from our own fans for a reason. Diving is not an art, its a shambolic act. You went on praising how well Mascha dived. That says a lot and the difference..

Second, I take it all of those players are foreigners since you said you hated all Spaniards other than Raul and Casillas and you said you were "anti-La Liga." I don't see why someone with that attitude would be posting in a La Liga thread.

Foreigners or not, they play in the league so i watch them. Like i said mind your own business insted of telling other whether to post or not, whom to vote in poll, whom to support. Show me the post where i said I'm anti La Liga.. Seriously if you can't find the post STFU instead of putting words in my mouth.

If I made comments like yours against ManU, Liverpool, the Premier League, or English players in general people would tell me not to post in the England section and I might get infracted. Pretty common sense.

Not common sense, its non sense. Again Assumption.

And FYI I hate Barca and Spanish players (Who are Barca products and players). Barca is not La Liga. There are other teams too.
 
We dont ignore. Nani gets criticism from our own fans for a reason. Diving is not an art, its a shambolic act. You went on praising how well Mascha dived. That says a lot and the difference..

I said that Masch did the dive well, and from the perspective of those who think diving is an art, he did a good job. It was very clear that that was what I was saying, yet you complete twisted it and claimed that i praised him for diving.

And as far as Nani and Cristiano Ronaldo go, my point is that since they are divers, you should absolutely hate their guts. You hate Barcelona with a passion, and you claim it's because they dive, and my point is that if this were true, you would hate those players too. Diving isn't a reason to hate a player. I like Di Maria even though he's a diver and a whiner.

Foreigners or not, they play in the league so i watch them. Like i said mind your own business insted of telling other whether to post or not, whom to vote in poll, whom to support.

But I take it you only like their foreigners, since you said you hated all Spaniards other than Casillas and Raul. Since the latter hasn't played on the NT in a long time, it was obvious you weren't just talking about the Spaniards on the NT. I've never told people how to vote in a poll or whom to support, don't know where you're coming off, and I do mind my own business, but it's annoying to see someone who is that hateful of Spain posting in a La Liga thread. This is an English site and there are plenty of threads and a whole forum devoted to English football...this is the one thread where the La Liga fans can talk about their league, and it would be better if we didn't have to deal with people who hated it coming in to the thread. When anti-ManU posters come into ManU threads, people get annoyed, so I'm not at all out of line.

Show me the post where i said I'm anti La Liga.. Seriously if you can't find the post STFU instead of putting words in my mouth.

How about here, in post #33 in the 'Ferguson proud despite first loss' thread?

I'm anti La Liga.

But it's not just there, you constantly bash it and call it a terrible league that's just like the SPL, and the posts are too numerous to dig up. Again, if I constantly made those comments about the Prem in the England section, people would say something about it.

Not common sense, its non sense. Again Assumption.

And FYI I hate Barca and Spanish players (Who are Barca products and players). Barca is not La Liga. There are other teams too.

FYI you said you hated all Spaniards other than Casillas and Raul and said you were anti La Liga. Funny that you'd be posting in the La Liga thread.

It is not an assumption, since it comes from experience, and it's certainly not nonsense. I once said I didn't like watching the Prem all that much in an England thread and one of the mods told me I was being "anti-English" and asked me why I was posting in the England section. Another time I made a couple of fairly critical comments about the Prem and I was told I was being anti-English and anti-Prem...you can look at the comments, they weren't bad and certainly not nearly as hateful as yours. I wasn't saying things like I was anti-Prem and that I hated all English players save for two, or that I hated a club and every player that came out of its youth system. If I had, than we can make a pretty safe bet that if an infraction didn't follow, I would certainly be questioned by posters and/or mods as to why on earth I would post in the England section. And I don't think they would be out of line or getting in other peoples' business, either.
 
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