Man Utd underrated?

[Shockhorror.]

Fans are biased. A lot of them think their top players can play in any top team and their youth players are all future superstars, but it's just not the case 99 times out of 100.

Come on, last season some people were saying Bale is 2nd to Messi. oO)

If any fans should be annoyed, it's the Barcelona fans. Their team doesn't pwn at all in the game.

 

[Vanjagl]

Let's be honest, this is by far the worst united team for 20 years. Rooney is the only world class player they've got. People keep banging on about Welbeck and Cleverley but they've done **** all so far to show me they should be rated any higher than they are. This has got to be young kids going on about this cos nobody over the age of 26 could possibly think this united side is any good.

You are bigger moron than these who claims that Rooney is underrated.
I disagree with SI about Welbeck's PA. If Mark Muniesa who literally has done nothing ( except playing in reserves) to deserve -9, Welbeck could atleast have PA 168-170. I understand now about Cleverley, it's too soon to boost his PA. Also I disagree about Pogbas CA ( maybe I'm too biased here). Valencias flair is overrated, he is one trick pony, Evans is, well, Evans. But this is why we have editor. Don't be afraid to use it.

Fans are biased. A lot of them think their top players can play in any top team and their youth players are all future superstars, but it's just not the case 99 times out of 100.

Come on, last season some people were saying Bale is 2nd to Messi. oO)

If any fans should be annoyed, it's the Barcelona fans. Their team doesn't pwn at all in the game.

They have 10 players with CA over 170 and 17 ( i think, not sure) with PA over 170. They have no reason to complain.

 

[GodCubed]

Let's be honest, this is by far the worst united team for 20 years. Rooney is the only world class player they've got. People keep banging on about Welbeck and Cleverley but they've done **** all so far to show me they should be rated any higher than they are. This has got to be young kids going on about this cos nobody over the age of 26 could possibly think this united side is any good.

What the f-

Supports: Liverpool

Oh.

 

[Mike.]

Let's be honest, this is by far the worst united team for 20 years. Rooney is the only world class player they've got. People keep banging on about Welbeck and Cleverley but they've done **** all so far to show me they should be rated any higher than they are. This has got to be young kids going on about this cos nobody over the age of 26 could possibly think this united side is any good.

nonsense. literally nonsense

even more nonsense that people saying United are under-rated. I didnt think that was possible

For the record, all the players will be reassessed. I know that Cleverley and Welbeck will be adjusted upwards

 

[Mike.]

Fans are biased. A lot of them think their top players can play in any top team and their youth players are all future superstars, but it's just not the case 99 times out of 100.

Come on, last season some people were saying Bale is 2nd to Messi. oO)

If any fans should be annoyed, it's the Barcelona fans. Their team doesn't pwn at all in the game.

not down to Attributes though. the AI is much better at using a player like rooney than a player like Messi.

Although apparently you can edit Guardiola's manager attributes to make them more barca like. Will look for the post on si

 

[Shockhorror.]

not down to Attributes though. the AI is much better at using a player like rooney than a player like Messi.

Although apparently you can edit Guardiola's manager attributes to make them more barca like. Will look for the post on si

Yeah, it's unfortunate that the AI doesn't reflect how they play irl, but also understandable.

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They have 10 players with CA over 170 and 17 ( i think, not sure) with PA over 170. They have no reason to complain.

See my post below.

 

[Mike.]

Yeah, it's unfortunate that the AI doesn't reflect how they play irl, but also understandable.

Currently Pep in game makes them play wider than in real life. cant edit mine, but will wait for the fmrte to edit him, apparently it's possible to make them as tough to beat as real life barca

 

[Shockhorror.]

Currently Pep in game makes them play wider than in real life. cant edit mine, but will wait for the fmrte to edit him, apparently it's possible to make them as tough to beat as real life barca

That would add a whole new dimension to the game imo. Leaves me feeling disappointed because they can be beaten with such ease.

 

[Mike.]

That would add a whole new dimension to the game imo. Leaves me feeling disappointed because they can be beaten with such ease.

Same. In FM11 it was actually real madrid who where the ultimate challenge.

found the post:

From a guy called the Hand of God:

Hi,

While I understand that it's nearly impossible to accurately reflect Barcelona's playing style in the match engine, I've felt that (in the last few FMs) Guardiola's tactical attributes have not done the team a service and made them relatively easy to beat (given that they should be the toughest challenge in the game). I believe this can be attributed to two factors:

1) In game, Guardiola plays a wide formation (4-3-3) with a lot of width (18) and very short passing (directness 3). This tends to leave Iniesta and Messi stranded on the wings with no one nearby to pass to, forcing them to do a lot more dribbling than they would in real life before they can finally get the ball to Villa (assuming they aren't already shut down by a fullback). The combination of wide formation and high width setting also prevents them from really playing the possession-based short-passing game for which they are famous.

2) With the aforementioned 4-3-3, the team's key players (Messi and Iniesta) are not played in their natural position.

Using the editor in FM11, I was able to greatly increase the in-game effectiveness of the AI's Barcelona by having them play the naturally narrower 4-3-1-2 while keeping the width at 18. I think this better reflects Guardiola's 4-3-3 where the more central attacking forward drops a bit deeper while also better enabling a short-passing, possession game.

Granted, I realize that any two footie fans are going to have two different opinions on how Barca actually lines up, but as someone who has knocked them out of the Champions League a little too easily a few too many times, the aforementioned changes have (for me) turned them into the ultimate challenge that they really should be.

Finally, del Bosque's attributes have him play a glacially slow, direct-passing 4-5-1. The current Spain tactics would be better reflected by a narrow (Width 8-12) 4-2-3-1 Denmark with "Directness" in the lower single digits.

 

[Mike.]

im going make some similar changes to my game

 

[Mikon]

Well, I'm a Man Utd fan for about twelve years and I say this is by far the worst team of all this time. Just like one of the users said, the secret of this team is the manager. Look what happened when this team went against Man City. And the game against Arsenal doesn't count, as this Arsenal side is, by far, the worst ever.
Ashley Young is not a superplayer, he's just good. Nani I dare say he's just good. Our defense is one of the best in the world, and I do believe the game is pretty accurate. Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher are just average players. Valencia is a pretty consistent performer, but, again, he's no genious. Rooney, on the other hand, is probably the best player England produced for the past 10 years, aside, perhaps, Gerrard.
Probably, for the United fans, the real fun of playing football manager is being champions with this team or, like me, to find the players you'd like to see in the real life team.
About the young ones, Cleverley, Morrison, Pogba, they have MUCH to prove.

 

[Mike.]

Well, I'm a Man Utd fan for about twelve years and I say this is by far the worst team of all this time. Just like one of the users said, the secret of this team is the manager. Look what happened when this team went against Man City. And the game against Arsenal doesn't count, as this Arsenal side is, by far, the worst ever.
Ashley Young is not a superplayer, he's just good. Nani I dare say he's just good. Our defense is one of the best in the world, and I do believe the game is pretty accurate. Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher are just average players. Valencia is a pretty consistent performer, but, again, he's no genious. Rooney, on the other hand, is probably the best player England produced for the past 10 years, aside, perhaps, Gerrard.
Probably, for the United fans, the real fun of playing football manager is being champions with this team or, like me, to find the players you'd like to see in the real life team.
About the young ones, Cleverley, Morrison, Pogba, they have MUCH to prove.

none of the players are average either in game or in real life. Worst united team of all time? You have a short memory then

as for the city game. it changed on the sending off. if you are a united fan, i wonder how closely you watch the side

This thread validates why i nearly always back the researchers.

 

[Mikon]

none of the players are average either in game or in real life. Worst united team of all time? You have a short memory then

as for the city game. it changed on the sending off. if you are a united fan, i wonder how closely you watch the side

This thread validates why i nearly always back the researchers.

Young - Anderson - Fletcher - Valencia
Keane - Scholes - Giggs - Beckham

As I said, the secret is our coach, not the players.
And I didn't say "worst of all time", but the worst for the past 10 years.
One sending off... ok... but 6 goals and all the experienced players playing like it was not their responsability? By the way, it's not my words, but the words of Ferguson himself.

 

[Mike.]

Young - Anderson - Fletcher - Valencia
Keane - Scholes - Giggs - Beckham

As I said, the secret is our coach, not the players.
And I didn't say "worst of all time", but the worst for the past 10 years.
One sending off... ok... but 6 goals and all the experienced players playing like it was not their responsability? By the way, it's not my words, but the words of Ferguson himself.

One bad defeat doesn not make a terrible side, seriously?

Scholes was in the current side up until last season, giggs is still in the side, you left out Nani. All four would still get into most sides.

again neither average in real life or in the game.

Not that any of that is relevant to doing the attributes of the players.

 

[Mikon]

One bad defeat doesn not make a terrible side, seriously?

Scholes was in the current side up until last season, giggs is still in the side, you left out Nani. All four would still get into most sides.

again neither average in real life or in the game.

Not that any of that is relevant to doing the attributes of the players.

Man Utd is not a bad side, really, in fact it's probably top 4 in Europe, but because we have the best coach, probably in the entire world. Building a team very competitive with players that only have special skills here and there, but, if they're analyzed alone, are no more than good players.
A 25 year Scholes is much better than a 35 year. Giggs was and is still a genious, can't deny that, but you can't compare Keano and Beckham with Fletcher, Carrick and Valencia.
By the way, I do feel the attributes are quite accurate.

 

[Vanjagl]

im going make some similar changes to my game

You have editor right ? Why don't you make experiment right now and show results to us all ? It would be great if you could make Barca on FM just like in RL. Like you said, ultimate challenge.

 

[Mike.]

Man Utd is not a bad side, really, in fact it's probably top 4 in Europe, but because we have the best coach, probably in the entire world. Building a team very competitive with players that only have special skills here and there, but, if they're analyzed alone, are no more than good players.
A 25 year Scholes is much better than a 35 year. Giggs was and is still a genious, can't deny that, but you can't compare Keano and Beckham with Fletcher, Carrick and Valencia.
By the way, I do feel the attributes are quite accurate.

Plenty of teams are built like that. Very few teams in the world have world class players in every position.

It doesnt mean they are a worse side, think how many euro finals they have been to in recent times?

You dont just analyse a team by it's pieces, but also by the sum of its parts. The latter is where United have always been very very strong

Agree, not much wrong with the attributes except for cleverley, welbeck. But both are understandable give that the data lock was several weeks before the demo release. I certainly wouldnt call the side underrated

 

[sunilvk7]

I dont understand when people say this United side is the worst side in 20 years. I can safely assume they never watched the likes of Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, in our side and also O'Shea and Smith playing as CMs. Horrible days. Thanks to RVN for somehow scoring for fun.

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One of our side in 2004 when we beat Norwich

Man Utd: Howard, Gary Neville (Phil Neville 73), Keane, Silvestre, O'Shea, Bellion (Richardson 74), Miller (Ronaldo 85), Djemba-Djemba, Giggs, Smith, Scholes

Apart from Giggs, Scholes, Neville all are average. Keane was on his last legs.

When we won 2-1 against Liverpool

Man Utd: Carroll, Brown, Ferdinand, Silvestre, Heinze, Ronaldo, O'Shea, Keane, Giggs, Scholes, van Nistelrooy. Subs: Phil Neville, Smith, Kleberson, Fletcher, Ricardo.

Now this is what you call as an average team.

 

[GodCubed]

You have editor right ? Why don't you make experiment right now and show results to us all ? It would be great if you could make Barca on FM just like in RL. Like you said, ultimate challenge.

I'll have a go. Currently making small tweaks to anything I find questionable. Also, added myself as a journalist.

 

[Mike.]

You have editor right ? Why don't you make experiment right now and show results to us all ? It would be great if you could make Barca on FM just like in RL. Like you said, ultimate challenge.

Doing that now