Mr Langvatn's Tactic Center for FM17

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Mr Langvatn said:
That's weird :P
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It is, but I'm thinking it might be some logic in FM that assumes since the AP has a sit narrower instruction on him that he therefore will most likely man mark the CM. But in reality he should only sit narrower when we're attacking. Just silly things that haven't been ironed out in the tactic engine I guess.
 
Kyanite said:
It is, but I'm thinking it might be some logic in FM that assumes since the AP has a sit narrower instruction on him that he therefore will most likely man mark the CM. But in reality he should only sit narrower when we're attacking. Just silly things that haven't been ironed out in the tactic engine I guess.
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But when you set MANUAL marking on a position (mark specific player), does he ignore this? For example, if you've set AMCL to mark the DR, does he ignore this and mark someone else instead?
 
Mr Langvatn said:
But when you set MANUAL marking on a position (mark specific player), does he ignore this? For example, if you've set AMCL to mark the DR, does he ignore this and mark someone else instead?
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No, he won't ignore it.
But the point is that it won't integrate in to the tactic file to always stick to the opposition left mid/AML. Rather the instruction always changes to mark the central player in that case.
 
Kyanite said:
No, he won't ignore it.
But the point is that it won't integrate in to the tactic file to always stick to the opposition left mid/AML. Rather the instruction always changes to mark the central player in that case.
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If you save the tactic during a match, it should save with the exact instruction you set (for example specific mark DR or DL), then start the match, and then save the tactic within the match. You will then have to load the tactic file you just created (it doesn't save within that same tactic file, only a new file generated from that match).
 
Mr Langvatn said:
If you save the tactic during a match, it should save with the exact instruction you set (for example specific mark DR or DL), then start the match, and then save the tactic within the match. You will then have to load the tactic file you just created (it doesn't save within that same tactic file, only a new file generated from that match).
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I'll give this a go.
 
aussiepower said:
itsZdan 4-2-3-1 is an exact copy of a 2016 tactic from the chicken wing thread, i first read about this in tactics from differant world thread few weeks ago and i did a comparison and indeed it is exactly the same tactic, itszdan is still not being caught yet? how lucky he is :P

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/shar...ew-tactic-chicken-wings-author-4231-time.html

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/atta...bwm-_76ed12ca-ae74-43c5-beba-fe8b9e0c1610.fmf
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ok but someone should make thread. because tactic is very good.
 
Kyanite said:
I personally did when it came to this tactic in particular as it meant the two forward players obviously helped out more defensively when we didn't have the ball as well as aid counter-attacking opportunities as their positioning is closer to the ball.
But I do agree it would probably take ages to have to do it for 90 matches for a tactic testing save like yours haha!
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I've been playing with your tactic (with Liverpool) and I found the first season the man-marking was essential, but second season with a world class squad it seems to hinder my own attacking as much as anything. I keep the man-marking against the top 4 or 5 teams but now I remove it against teams I'm expected to beat and the front three are running riot.

It's a fantastic tactic by the way, great results for me (won the league first season) and it's genuinely beautiful to watch when it clicks.
 
Judge Dredd said:
I've been playing with your tactic (with Liverpool) and I found the first season the man-marking was essential, but second season with a world class squad it seems to hinder my own attacking as much as anything. I keep the man-marking against the top 4 or 5 teams but now I remove it against teams I'm expected to beat and the front three are running riot.

It's a fantastic tactic by the way, great results for me (won the league first season) and it's genuinely beautiful to watch when it clicks.
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Hey dude, really happy to hear it has gone well for you :D
I can totally see where you're coming from regarding the man marking and I respect that instead of just concluding "oh this tactic doesn't work anymore" you instead tweaked it to suit your new players etc! A sign of a great manager.

Hope your save gets even better!
 
Hey guys, where is the thread for the 343 watford narrow ? Is it only from Mr L tactics site or it's from here on fm-base ?
 
raph3rd3 said:
Hey guys, where is the thread for the 343 watford narrow ? Is it only from Mr L tactics site or it's from here on fm-base ?
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i think it's only on his forum, which is a shame, cos this tactic could be something worth of focus on ;).
 
abbes said:
i think it's only on his forum, which is a shame, cos this tactic could be something worth of focus on ;).
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There are some tacticians from FMKorea who have joined our site, he's one of them. I don't think you will see many Korean tacticians on this site, because of the language barrier. The only reason they are on our site is for the priority tactic testing for members I guess :)
 
What about seeing CC's per game? Or something like that? Clear Chances I mean. Because I think those reflect better how good a team plays offensively than the number of goals.
 
StefanCP said:
What about seeing CC's per game? Or something like that? Clear Chances I mean. Because I think those reflect better how good a team plays offensively than the number of goals.
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It's not possible sadly. Can only see last 50 games. But, over 180 matches, that we test, the points and goal difference are more important than clear cut chances. Because the game often counts ccc's wrong.
 
Mr Langvatn said:
It's not possible sadly. Can only see last 50 games. But, over 180 matches, that we test, the points and goal difference are more important than clear cut chances. Because the game often counts ccc's wrong.
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Not sure what to say about this. I would rather have a team who consistently gets 5+ CC per game than one that shots on target 20 times per game.

I think the last 50 games are good too, since you can make an average per game, and 50 games are quite a lot so the results should be conclusive.

If you had 9 CCs per game average in 50 games that would be awesome. But the choice is yours.

Factually speaking, if you check random games, take 20 games where you had a big average CCs ratio, and 20 games with small CCs ratio, and you will see that the win ratio is bigger in the 20 games where your CCs ratio was big.
 
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StefanCP said:
Not sure what to say about this. I would rather have a team who consistently gets 5+ CC per game than one that shots on target 20 times per game.

I think the last 50 games are good too, since you can make an average per game, and 50 games are quite a lot so the results should be conclusive.

If you had 9 CCs per game average in 50 games that would be awesome. But the choice is yours.

Factually speaking, if you check random games, take 20 games where you had a big average CCs ratio, and 20 games with small CCs ratio, and you will see that the win ratio is bigger in the 20 games where your CCs ratio was big.
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If you have 50 matches tested, I'd agree that ccc's would be better. But for 180 matches, points (which directly translates to win ratio) are most important :) We could of course include this in the next patch if this is something that people want (ccc information). Including it now is too late, as we already tested well over 30 tactics.
 
That you are very right, too late to do it for this patch. Thanks
 
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