Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)

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Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread


Update 26.10.2014!!!!


OMG, I just outdid myself by a mile............... (New tactic which is so HIGH SCORING that even grandma would enjoy FM)

Look here: WOOOW - By Mr L



Update 26.10.2014: Me and Jesaustralia have just finished our big test of all my tactics (including the new ones): http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/football-manager-2013-tactics-training/179507-comprehensive-test-mr-ls-tactics-including-his-new-ones.html

Update 21.10.2014: Deep Purple 4-3-3, 4-3-2-1 and 4-3-1-2 edition added.

After extensive tweaking, I've finally made the 4-2-3-1 Deep Purple work with three AMC's instead of AML, AMC and AMR. Who haven't dreamed about a working three AMC tactic? Well, here you have it:
4-2-3-1 Deep Purple AMC edition with OI's

Added a 3-5-2 version of the Solid Highscore tactic: 3-5-2 Solid Highscore
I use this tactic away and the 3-4-3 at home, but both this and the 3-4-3 work alone too :)

Also added an asymmetrical version of the Deep Purple tactic:
Deep Purple Asymmetrical


Update 19.10.2014:
Last five days I've been working on yet another tactic for FM13. I miss the old 2-5-3 angels v2 tactic because I just love having three strikers, but I didn't feel it was competitive enough against my other recently made tactics. So I have now made a highly competitive three-striker tactic. I am sure many of you will love it :)

Here it is: Mr Langvatn feat
Jesaustralia 3-4-3 Solid Highscore



Update 14.10.2014:

I have been working on a new tactic, a deep 4-2-3-1, and now it is finally complete. It is insanely high scoring. Perhaps the highest scoring tactic it is possible to make. I urge you to try this tactic. It is my new favorite tactic by far!
Here it is: Mr Langvatn 4-2-3-1 Deep Purple


Play FM13 with teams/players like in FM14:
http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/transfer-updates-custom-leagues-editing/99046-lfcmarshalls-summer-update-suggestion-thread.html

Vote for your favourite tactic: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/H7TP7ZK
Results from poll:

1.
4-5-1 Rock Tripletweak (Jassar/Malte/Mr L) 39,6%
2. 4-1-4-1 Rock Classic 31,3%
3. 4-4-2 Rock Tripletweak (Jassar/Malte/Mr L) 12,5%
4. 2-5-3 Angels V2 9,4%
5. 4-1-3-2 Queen's Gambit 3,1%
6. 4-1-3-1-1 Degeneration X 2,1%
7. 2-7-1 Sicilian Rock Mix 2,1%
8. 3-6-1 Sicilian Defense 0,0%

Update 04.09.2013: Uploaded Rock Revisited by Malte (Great tactic, Deep 4-4-2)

Update 30.08.2013: I have now started on my masters programme, so you guys have to help each other out most of the time from here on :)

The "best" tactic according to the latest test: 4-5-1 Rock Tripletweaked (Jassar, Malte, Mr L)

My personal favourite: 2-5-3 Angels V2
(I love having 3 strikers that all score evenly much)

Update 26.08.2013


Best overall tactic in the test: 4-5-1 Rock Tripletweaked (23-3-2)

Best Home tactic in the test: 4-5-1 Rock Tripletweaked (14-0-0) /
Rock 4-4-2 Jassar/Malte tweak (14-0-0)

Best Away tactic in the test:
4-4-2 Rock Tripletweaked (10-4-0)


Doing a new tactic test, where I test all the tactics one by one, only against the computer, and only against 100% equal teams.

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TACTICPOINTSW/D/LGOAL DIFF.TABLE
2-5-3 Angels V2 5917/8/3 +37View attachment 475902
2-7-1 Sicilian Rock Mix6820/8/0+44View attachment 475620
2-7-1 Defensive Sicilian Rock Mix5918/5/5+35View attachment 475701
3-6-1 Sicilian Defense
4-1-4-1 Rock Classic4813/9/6+22View attachment 475426
4-1-3-1-1 Degeneration X
4-4-2 Rock Jassar and Malte Tweak6621/3/4+54View attachment 475865
4-1-2-2-1 Rock Jassar Tweak
4-1-3-2 Queen's Gambit
4-5-1 Rock Tripletweak (Jassar/Malte/Mr L)7223/3/2+55View attachment 475750
4-4-2 Rock Tripletweak (Jassar/Malte/Mr L)7122/5/1+54View attachment 475809
4-4-2 Angels V2


Update 24.08.2013


Added a tripleweak of the Rock in a 4-5-1, it did even better than the 4-4-2!

Added a tripletweak of the Rock 4-4-2. It did immense in the test above:)

Added Jassar and Malte's tweak of the Rock, as I think it's really good! (4-4-2)

Added a defensive version of the 2-7-1 Sicilian Rock Mix! See results in test #3


Update 22.08.2013:
New tactic: 2-7-1 Sicilian Rock Mix! High scoring stuff! Check results from top team test #2!

Vote for your favourite tactician this year:
http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/football-manager-2013-tactics-training/124233-*^who-has-made-best-downloadable-football-manager-tactics-year^*-4.html


Update 09.08.2013: Those of you who have had big success using the 4-1-4-1 Rock Classic, 3-6-1 Sicilian Defense and the 2-5-3 Angels V2, please help other users out with information about players who perform well in them:
http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/football-manager-2013-best-players/124036-best-players-tactical-classic-rock-4141-361-defense-253-v2-angels-m-langvatn.html

Update 07.08.2013: New tactic tests are on the way. One format where the teams I manage have players with 14 in all stats and 10.000 reputation (top team test), and one format where teams have players with 10 in all stats and 5.000 reputation (underdog test).

Results from top team test #1 (Finished 11.08.2013):

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Results from top team test #2 (Finished 22.08.2013):

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Results from top team test #3 (Finished 24.08.2013):

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Results from underdog test (Finished 17.08.2013):

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Update 31.07.2013: I've uploaded a new tactic, 4-1-3-2 Queen's Gambit! I've tested it against the Rock Classic in a league derby match between Manchester United and Manchester City (Played the same match 10 times):

TacticMatchesShots Diff.On Target
Diff.
Clear Cuts
Diff.
W/D/LGoal Diff.
Queen’s Gambit10120 - 6170 - 2724 - 67/3/026 - 5
Rock Classic10108 - 6448 - 2711 - 54/5/113 - 7

Update 06.06: I am currently testing many of my tactics in a "Liverpool template game". I will also test a lot of other popular tactics on FM-base for reference. All tactics will then be tested against the same teams in the same order, with the same team. I will be going on vacation BETWEEN the matches, so there will be zero man management. I will upload the Premier Division Table here when I'm done :) Be patient :)


Keep in mind that some of the tactics might perform better with all the "right" player types. This will just be a "plug and play" test.

Also, keep in mind that the results does not prove that one tactic is better than another, as I have only tested with one team, and only for 20 matches each tactic. (It is hugely time consuming...)

Results from the tactic testing so far:


TACTICMATCHESPOINTSGOALS SCOREDGOALS CONC.CORNER GOALS
2-5-3 DDDMC Angels205346223
4-3-3 DDDMC Angels205249177
4-1-4-1 Rock Classic205145157
3-6-1 Sicilian Defense20513381
KISS Corners (matte tweak v2) (Modern Warfare based)204749235
4-1-4-1 Rock204643182
4-1-4-1 Rock Classic TC (W4NKER tweak)204540126
4-1-3-1-1 Degeneration X204439175
4-4-2 Arrigo Sacchi204441225
Gonzo11's The Godfather Classic 4-4-2204240174
Nezza's 3-3-3-1 updated204132145
4-3-3 Frank De Boer (2.0)204137243
4-4-2 Gung Ho Classic Edition203942317
4-1-3-2 Gung Ho203834144
4-3-2-1 Zenith By Qetesh203837255
Supermatt’s Bandit Reborn203626253
Pentor’s Total Evolution203329214


1. Always give your team high bonuses in the competitions you want to do good in...

2. Keep your players happy. In this year's FM, this has a MUCH bigger impact than in previous editions.

3. Players: See the different roles

4. Match prep: Defensive positioning or Attacking movement (Your choice)

5. Team Talk: Been using assistant manager to do that

6. No opposition instructions



Suggested training


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Tactics training – Low
Match prep 40% – Attacking movement
Individual training – Heavy

4-5-1 Rock Tripletweak:

DC= Central Defender
DL/DR= Fullbacks
DMC= Central Midfielder/Box to box (cm training if he has lower than 10/10 mark/tack)
ML/MR= Wingers
ST= Complete Forward

4-1-4-1Rock ClassicDC= Central Defender
DL/DR= Fullbacks
DMC= Central Midfielder
MC= Box to Box
ML/MR= Wingers
ST= Complete Forward
3-6-1 Sicilian DefenseDC= Central Defender
WBR/WBL= Wingbacks
DMC= Central Midfielder
CM= Box to Box
ML/MR= Winger
ST= Complete Forward
4-1-3-2 Queen’s GambitDC= Central Defender
DL/DR= Fullbacks
DMC= Central Midfielder
CM= Box to Box
STCR/STCL= Advanced Forward
2-5-3 Angels V2DC= Central Defender
WBR/WBL= Wingbacks
DMC= Central Midfielder
DMCR/DMCL= Box to Box
All ST= Advanced Forward
2-7-1 Sicilian Rock MixDC= Central Defender
WBL/WBR= Wingbacks
DMC= Central Midfielder
MC= Box to Box
ML/MR= Wingers
ST= Complete Forward

For those of you wanting to know more about training, please read here before asking me:
TRAINING GUIDE


k3zz4's training tips to get 100% fluid tactic before season starts:

Pre season tips to get 100% fluid before start of season:
- Put the tactic in the 3 slots.
- Training: Cohesion en very heavy
- Trainingbar completely at the left (so 50%/50% training)
- Match prep: Tactic only. And rest after game ticked only.
- Arrange at least 10 friendly's. Against harder teams tactic becomes faster fluid BUT morale can go down
so best is to like 3 easy friendly's , 4 hard friendly's and then 3 easy friendly's so morale is high enough


Remember that when using plug and play tactics in FM, success is only 50% about the tactic. The other 50% goes into man management, training and player purchases!

Please post your results and feedback, so I can keep improving :) (Please only whole seasons, as RNG can be a huge factor in singular matches)
 
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silverya

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I really think flat 442 is the best formation in this years edition. Both very solid and very fluid upfront.

Gonna give it a go when i come back home

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wiizzi

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I really think flat 442 is the best formation in this years edition. Both very solid and very fluid upfront.

Gonna give it a go when i come back home

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+1
tested million formations and this one is more effective.
testing with MUFC also. till now good results.
 

MANUMAD

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You, Sir are a god. Been using your 4411 underdog beast and dominatrix tactics (tweaked both) to great efffect since forever.

Gave a shout out for you in my thread MANUMAD's BOX OF SWEETS.

Ill deffo be seeing what you ve done here.

PS: Have you been getting any sleep with the baby?
 

Mr Langvatn

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You, Sir are a god. Been using your 4411 underdog beast and dominatrix tactics (tweaked both) to great efffect since forever.

Gave a shout out for you in my thread MANUMAD's BOX OF SWEETS.

Ill deffo be seeing what you ve done here.

PS: Have you been getting any sleep with the baby?
Thanks for the shout :) You should try out this one. I believe with the new patch 13.3.3, it is much easier making a stable tactic. And I do find the one I made this time better than all my other ones, at least from own experience. But that could be explained by the match engine being better now.

And, sleep is kind of up and down :) Sometimes I get 2 hours, sometimes I get 8 hours :p
 

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Any chance you could upload your player's filter list M8,SS of your training,sorry if asking for to much(K)
 

Mr Langvatn

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Any chance you could upload your player's filter list M8,SS of your training,sorry if asking for to much(K)
I don't use any player filter. Just follow the standard filter for each role. If you use the classic edition:

GK: Goalkeeper
Backs: Fullbacks
Centre backs: Central defender
MCL: Central midfielder
MCR: Ball winning midfielder
Wings: Wingers or inside forwards, whatever you prefer.
STCL: Poacher
STCR: Complete forward or trequartista

I'll upload SS of my training schedule.
 
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