One touch/possession and CCC tactic by Raikan007

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Looks very promising. 4231 is definitely the way to go with this version it seems. I'm quite happy with my tactic at the mo but I think this certainly seems worth a whirl. The game's taking up waaaay too much of my life as it is though lol I'm guessing it's high tempo? I think composure and technique might be a more important attribute than finishing with high tempo applied...not too sure, but it would make sense. I've also found that playing DMC's works better on this version...Are you finding the same Raikan?
 
it is a much higher tempo, I have not used a Dm this year to be honest except on my 433 Swoop tactic! I find all formations working quite well to be honest :)
 
hi Raikan, i wanted to ask why i can't use this tactic, it appeared in my tactic but without any position written below the player name...
thanks raikan
 
walawe said:
hi Raikan, i wanted to ask why i can't use this tactic, it appeared in my tactic but without any position written below the player name...
thanks raikan
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you can bud, it was made using the classic creator, hence no player roles :)
 
Hi Raikan

Excellent tactic at home, but away from home, it's very very shaky.
As you can see on the screen, 6/7 draw are away from home. Any solution to fix it ? :)

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Thank you :)
 
Tere are soooo many variants to this game you can't really just pick one thing as a solution to the problem. I'd obviously first go to your team talks. It's best to be slightly calmer when playing away from home...but again, you need to think about pre-match odds, confidence of the team ie complacency etc. This would be my first thought. I haven't played the actic yet but with high tempo games your players can be rushed into making decisions for a pass without options close by (when they do that little shake shake thing). Maybe pull back on the forward runs and bring the mentality down a little on your attacking players to give them more options, slow the tempo down slightly so the player on the ball has more time to think and isn't rushed and just whacks the ball up the pitch...

It's pretty **** tricky to figure out someone elses problems and Raikan just obviously knows the game mechanics VERY well. He can sort out his game but to sort out each individual with questions without actually seeing what they do is VERY tricky.

Just experiment around a bit
 
Hi Raikan,

Just decided to start a new save with The Red Devils and was wondering if you figured out the away from home form yet?

Also, who is the playmaker and TM? AMC and ST?

thanks
 
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hmmmm i get a message saying the file isn't valid. Any ideas?
 
haha like I was saying about team talks. I'm using my own tactic but just to go show my point...I was losing 2-0 to man city away (with my second team), gave them an aggressive thats not good enough, took back the runs off the midfield/aml/amr and the mentality back on the wide players a bit and won the gme 2-3 in the end. I think there are too many variables on this game just for the tactic to be placed and to win comfortably each time. I find it a little ridiculous though really. I mean, it makes it VERY tricky to tell what parts of your tactic works and what doesn't when soooo many small things have big factors on the outcome.

Just my personal advice but I'd say getting used to what team talks work in different situations is beyond and above all any tactic at first. It's incredibly frustrating to try work on a formation/tactic and then team talks to have such a dramatic effect
 
Could you post a screenshot of the tactic?Only I can't understand how to download stuff like this
 
Do I need to download the PDF thingy before I can download the tactic?
 
Mckergan said:
Hi Raikan,

Just decided to start a new save with The Red Devils and was wondering if you figured out the away from home form yet?

Also, who is the playmaker and TM? AMC and ST?

thanks
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I dont use possession away mate, so I have not concentrated on it to be honest.. but it did work really well vs Chelsea away..
 
dave256 said:
hmmmm i get a message saying the file isn't valid. Any ideas?
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download, cut and paste the ccc.tac file into documents/sportsinteractive/fm12/tactics and import from the game, you dont need to download any PDF thing etc, just cut and paste into the above folder :)
 
dave256 said:
haha like I was saying about team talks. I'm using my own tactic but just to go show my point...I was losing 2-0 to man city away (with my second team), gave them an aggressive thats not good enough, took back the runs off the midfield/aml/amr and the mentality back on the wide players a bit and won the gme 2-3 in the end. I think there are too many variables on this game just for the tactic to be placed and to win comfortably each time. I find it a little ridiculous though really. I mean, it makes it VERY tricky to tell what parts of your tactic works and what doesn't when soooo many small things have big factors on the outcome.

Just my personal advice but I'd say getting used to what team talks work in different situations is beyond and above all any tactic at first. It's incredibly frustrating to try work on a formation/tactic and then team talks to have such a dramatic effect
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precisely, that is why I always say, tactics only make up 35% of a good team! Managers play the most important role!

Teamtalks are very influential and have a massive effect on the way a team plays no doubt, hand in hand with a good tactic and good morale you could win
 
lol errrrm I think I can guess why it doesn't work away :p I think most people here are MAYBE looking for a tactic that will do everything. From looking on the forums I can guess that Raikan likes to tinker with tactics and has experimented with different ideas to give different philosophy's with the game. I'd guess this tactic is like it says - trying to create a dominant game with plenty of ccc's...Obviously this tactic is waaaay too attacking to control the game away from home, if it's even possible agains every team in this series. I hope you dont mind me adding my own 2 cents Raikan, but I changed my set pieces to my own style as I'd imagine that this tactic gets hit on the counter a lot, mostly from throw ins. I'd also guess that the mentality is so high to work with the high closing down and then to get the ball as forward as possible once in posession. I havent tried the tactic yet but am just looking through the set up and would feel it just needs to be slightly more cautious when away from home...

Maybe pulling the d-line back a bit and the defensive players mentality back a bit would be logical, but would obviously break the flow of the tactic...

Has anyone tried using two dmc's and bringing the amc into cm away from home? I'd think then you could bring the closing down back a bit with the centre backs but still have that protection in front of the d-line with the high closing down of the 2 dmc's. Although, good quick passing teams might pass around you too easy...

I think having the wingers man mark the opposition fb's and the fb's mark the oppostion wingers would help too. I do this and it shapes the defence a bit better. I never use the roaming though and so I don't know how the roaming and man marking would work with the wingers.

Through my experience the cb's also seem tighter using man mark aginst 2 forwards and zonal against 1 forward, but never on tight marking...in op i use tight marking always against a striker with good heading who ISN'T quick at all...also closing down always on any midfielder with good shooting and also on wingers

Could also be good to have the 2 cm's more with high tackling/workrate instead of creative midfielders to win the ball back...leave the creativity to the 4 front players. I'm no sure what players you favour?

It's always interesting coz I always opt for logic and then look at someone elses tactic and it seems to go against everything that would make sense lol I'd just imagine with such a high d-line and mentality the tactic would be hit on the counter very easily...

I'm amazed at how many different ideas you come up with, Raikan. Just creating one tactic does my head in lol

I'm guessing forward runs is in middle to hold players in position a bit more rather than running out of position and leaving the player on the ball stranded? But how come The cb's are on forwrd runs?
 
I will definitely make an away version of this as it seems as though it is something that not many people can get right!

your idea's have been thought of before (some of them are really good) it does seem that you understand the tactical side of things which is promising ;)

the tactic is not all out attacking, the tempo is just quick (and no holding up the ball, well one I think) to encourage the players to run into space once the pass has been made (space being forward and sometimes back depending on the position) as to draw the opp to the player then quickly pass it away then move off the ball into space behind that opp's player who is now out of position and go forward from there

I don't get hit on the counter that much, corners yes sometimes as its down to my settings which I am going to edit in a bit, throw ins are meant to be short as well...

for away games I am going to look to slow the tempo down, hold onto possession and have 3 playmaker type players looking to exploit the defence and have the rest of the players working hard to win back the ball with a few different marking settings etc! Away games this year in FM are quite difficult regardless of formations/styles you adopt but possession is the hardest, well goal scoring possession should I say as it is quite easy racking up the passes in your own half and not really going anywhere with the ball, so it does have to create chances

I think for this I am going to use the modern creator so at least everyone does not moan about having it in classic etc, I only did it to stop all the questions like "who is best for the BWM role" etc etc

If you would like to test and work with me you are most welcome, let me know Dave :)
 
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