Pedro - The Next Essien

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a forward with finishing 12 or 13 will score goals if he is composed and fast. that is obvious, that player you put up is very similar to frazier campbell, plus you was playing in a poor league. if he was technically good he would score twice as many goals. it is simple. if you wana say this kid is the next essien, pm me when he is and show me the screen shot of his stats and average rating over a full season in the premier league. he may be a decent player but he is no world beater and will never be as good as essien. i havnt meant to cause offence to you, i was intreagued and excited when i saw the thread " pedro the next essien" but was dissapointed as technically you need to be very good to play defensive midfield like essien
he gets a 3.5 star rating in potential at with manchester united scouts, give the high reputations of the team and thus the star ranking, that makes him having the potential to be a world beater as ball winning mid support (which is what essien is in fm terms), you most certainly dont need to technically gifted to be a good defensive mid
 
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ok then hehe you dont need to be technically good to hold the midfield like essien, yaya toure, busquettes looking forward to you proving it, HIS TACKLING IS AT 10 how the **** is he gona be able to hold a midfield like essien. he cant pass or tackle. the 2 main stats required as a defensive midfield, i wont spam up your thread, just pm me when he is better
 
look good / not great for his age in my opinion. but with high quality coaches and training he could be decent but nothing to shout about
 
ok then hehe you dont need to be technically good to hold the midfield like essien, yaya toure, busquettes looking forward to you proving it, HIS TACKLING IS AT 10 how the **** is he gona be able to hold a midfield like essien. he cant pass or tackle. the 2 main stats required as a defensive midfield, i wont spam up your thread, just pm me when he is better
To say he can't pass or tackle is bullshit. He WILL have passing/tackling 14/15 by the time he's progressed to his full ability. At least!
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If you look at Essien, his tackling is 17, good I agree, but the rest of his technical stats aren't through the roof. It's his mental and physical attributes that stand him apart from everyone else.

Cannot wait till I'm a few years in and he is dominating Serie A.
 
ok then hehe you dont need to be technically good to hold the midfield like essien, yaya toure, busquettes looking forward to you proving it, HIS TACKLING IS AT 10 how the **** is he gona be able to hold a midfield like essien. he cant pass or tackle. the 2 main stats required as a defensive midfield, i wont spam up your thread, just pm me when he is better
the fact that you pick marking and tackling as the most important tells me you missed the point, its the mental and physical stats that truly make the most of a dm, something he is strong him
 
i didnt say anything about marking? right to settle the argument and prove you 2 are talking complete garbage, iv just been into the database PEDRO current ability is 112, potential ability is 155. ESSIEN current ability is 182 and potential is 182.... is that good enough or are you going to tell me the database is wrong aswel as me?
 
i didnt say anything about marking? right to settle the argument and prove you 2 are talking complete garbage, iv just been into the database PEDRO current ability is 112, potential ability is 155. ESSIEN current ability is 182 and potential is 182.... is that good enough or are you going to tell me the database is wrong aswel as me?
I never once said he's going to be as good as Essien, just that his stats remind me of his as a youngster and that potentially he could emulate similar things. PA can change you know.
 
if you never once said he can be as good as essien, why call the thread "pedro- the next essien" and hype him up to be a world beater
 
if you never once said he can be as good as essien, why call the thread "pedro- the next essien" and hype him up to be a world beater
I give up, you just don't get it.

Wenger only last week said Walcott could emulate Henry. He didn't mean he will be as good as, but that he could be a similar player. Mcgeady on previous FM's has been touted the next George Best. Doesn't mean he will be as good, just that he has similar abilities and could emulate him.
 
iv got it now mate your saying hes similar but not as good. so he is the next essien but not good enough to replace him. just seems a pointless thread. you are building peoples hopes up so they look on the thread and then your letting them down
 
iv got it now mate your saying hes similar but not as good. so he is the next essien but not good enough to replace him. just seems a pointless thread. you are building peoples hopes up so they look on the thread and then your letting them down
Lol, please stop now. I was simply making a comparison, as he has similar attributes, not getting anyones hopes up.

If anyone else has been "let down" by my thread, please do state.
 
Lol, please stop now. I was simply making a comparison, as he has similar attributes, not getting anyones hopes up.

If anyone else has been "let down" by my thread, please do state.

I have, just sat in the corner crying for 10 minutes because he won't be as good :'(
 
iv got it now mate your saying hes similar but not as good. so he is the next essien but not good enough to replace him. just seems a pointless thread. you are building peoples hopes up so they look on the thread and then your letting them down

No mate, pedro has the potential to become the next essien, he isnt currently the best, but once this guy develops he has the potential to be as good as essien.
 
lol ok stann no probs

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mr jack he doesnt have the potential to be better check the database editor for the PA. its like banging my head against a wall, stan has just said himself he will never be as good as essien and that he only has similarities, dont start it off again for god sake

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mr jack he doesnt have the potential to be better check the database editor for the PA. its like banging my head against a wall, stan has just said himself he will never be as good as essien and that he only has similarities, dont start it off again for god sake
 
lol ok stann no probs

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mr jack he doesnt have the potential to be better check the database editor for the PA. its like banging my head against a wall, stan has just said himself he will never be as good as essien and that he only has similarities, dont start it off again for god sake

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mr jack he doesnt have the potential to be better check the database editor for the PA. its like banging my head against a wall, stan has just said himself he will never be as good as essien and that he only has similarities, dont start it off again for god sake

PA can change i think?
 
Okay you've started me off...

Firstly technical are not the most important stats on the game at all. You can have 20 for finishing, dribbling and first touch, but if you don't have decent physical and mental stats it means nothing. Personally I think physical are the most important, as a player with pace and strength will guranteed cause more trouble than a player with no pace or strength and decent technical stats. I would like to load up a game on FM10 where I created a 18 year old who was very quick and had great composure, positioning, work rate etc, but pretty **** technical stats. Finishing was about 13 yet, he scored 30 goals every season. Unfortunately I have uninstalled FM10, so no screenshot. But you are most definitely wrong.

Furthermore techincal are the easiest stats to improve, therefore starting off with a base of 10 for every technical stat, and very good physical and mental stats, gives him the best possible chance of becoming World Class.

I think it depends on the league...in the Premiership skill isn't as important, it's all about athleticism. But in La Liga, the Argentine League, or even Serie A or the Eredivisie, technique is the most important thing. I've had players who were unathletic but skilled and they were very successful. Fabio Rochemback is a good example, as well as a bunch of older guys who'd lost their physical attributes.
 
PA only has a small part to play in a players development, it winds me me up when a lot of people on these forums are more bothered someones PA than there actual ability, take a look at gaby mudingayi of bologna? would you not say that he would be a world beater in center mid role as ball winning mid on defend? yet his CA is 135 and his PA is 140, apart from his decision making, his ability points are spread round better, making him a good player, but if you were to scout him with united, he would score low because the scouts base their verdict on CA/PA rather than actual ability,

Seriously getting to focused on CA/PA really takes the fun out of the game.
 
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PA only has a small part to play in a players development, it winds me me up when a lot of people on these forums are more bothered someones PA than there actual ability, take a look at gaby mudingayi of bologna? would you not say that he would be a world beater in center mid role as ball winning mid on defend? yet his CA is 135 and his PA is 140, apart from his decision making, his ability points are spread round better, making him a good player, but if you were to scout him with united, he would score low because the scouts base their verdict on CA/PA rather than actual ability,

Seriously getting to focused on CA/PA really takes the fun out of the game.


I agree. On fm10, I had Hulk at PSG and he scored 75 goals in 52 matches in one season. His pa was only about 175, and reports would suggest that there were a number of 'better' strikers in the game, but Hulk outscored all of them.

Any pa over 150 usually produces a very good player
 
the difference with hulk is his long shots are at 19 and he is a specialist at shooting from range, 175 is very high and you can fully expect hulk to do that. if you watch hulk on the 3d match engine he scores from all over the pitch. can P/A change? if so im not aware of this. the potential ability is a very good guide, players weight height and preferred moves are also a key factor, any one with a football brain will be able to work out how effective these moves will be inline with there stats

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and again you had hulk in the french league so it is fully expected
 
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