Pep`s Old School 4-3-3 Barcelona style

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The Barcelona `08-`09 success story.

Basically the formation i have in mind is this :
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Its a system Pep has always been fond of, variation of it can be found currently at Bayern Munich.
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It is the same system, really.

I replicate it like :
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The attack phase :
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Both the right winger and left inside forward are set to cut in and get into scoring positions. The main reason we have the right more advanced is Dani Alves who usually provides wide support in both midfield and attack. It is therefore more likely for the right winger to score more, easily losing his man and getting more frequently in the box.

The defensive phase.
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First is out of possesion, second is on the ball. System goes from 4-3-3 to 3-4-3.

Training

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As you can see the default is tactics, as its by far the most important by developping into players the reading of the game. Tactics is to be used 2 out of 4 weeks, the other 2 should be Attacking/Ball Control. Default match training is attacking movement (this is used when you are the better team, as Barca is the best i always leave it so. If you got a very very tough opponent you can switch to defensive positioning. Just for that game though.

Coaches :
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Best is to add both Germany and Spain when starting game, regardless of the fact that you will only play barca. Germany allows access to coaching staff in both England and Italy.

Best coaches are :
Gk : Otxotorena - Handling 5/5
Gk : Nista - Shot stopping 5/5
Defense/Tactics : Mauro Tassotti 4.5/5
Tactics : Bernhard Peters 4.5/5
Shooting : Rodolfo Borrell 4.5/5
Attacking : Andrea Stramaccioni 4-4,5/5
Attacking/Tactics/Shooting Leo Beenhakker 4.5/5 (quite expensive though)
Attacking/Tactics/Shooting/Ball Control : Ralf Rangnick 4.5/6
Fitness : Neri, Bisciotti, Venturati, Carravetta, Paixao - all are 5/5 I prefere to get them south american ones aswell for scouting purposes.

Opposition Instructions :

Assistant, usually they should be set by me as i know better who the opposing threats are and how to counter them. But it takes time and i didn`t wanna waste 2 days to finish a season. Your assistant should have high tactics/tactic knowledge determination motivation discipline.

Player Preffered Moves (PPM) :

Fake 9 = messi`s.

The important ones are come deep to get the ball (Off the ball, Anticipation, Decisions, Creativity) (to involve himself in the building of the attack) tries killer balls often (Passing, Technique, Creativity, Decisions, Teamwork) (already instructed for direct passing) - to set up team mates that move into goal scoring / play one twos (Passing, First touch, Off the ball, Anticipation, Decisions, Positioning, Acceleration) = fasten up the game. Places shots (Finishing, Technique, much Composure)= the type of finishing. Player will put shots unreacheable for the goalkeeper. This could have been even better by having "curls ball" but its one of the hardest ppm to train as it requires tutoring. Lob keeper (Creativity, Technique, Composure, Finishing, Flair, Decisions)= 1v1 situation. It is highly recommended to have at least 1 guy having either this or go round the keeper in your team.


Inside forward (your typical villa/neymar).

Remember villa was a striker. Henry was a striker. the reason they were asked to stay by the line is to stretch the defense and create space between the defender assigned to them and the central defender. When they get the possesion usually they go for the net, allowing alba to stay wide and keep at least a defender there.


So i`ve trained neymar to have Run with ball often (Dribbling, Acceleration, Flair, Agility), Dribble through center (Dribbling, Flair, Quickness, Balance, Agility) cuz he will Cut inside(Dribbling, Anticipation, Decisions, Flair, Agility, Finishing, Passing) and Place shots (Finishing, Technique, much Composure) . Basically this should instruct the player to cut inside and shoot/pass. Will train him to "play one twos" (Passing, First touch, Off the ball, Anticipation, Decisions, Positioning, Acceleration ) aswell. Tries killer ball often could also be useful for your IF, but Barcelona has the killer supplied mostly through middle by either iniesta/xavi.


Winger (right) the pedro style. (usually second goalscorer)


move into channels/cut inside/place shots/gets into opposition area.


Central midline.


Left = the more attacking midfielder (typical iniesta)


Tries killer/dictates tempo/ play one-twos/gets forward. I`m thinking of training him move into channels aswell.


Right = the DLP, usually xavi,

the guy that comes back to take the ball from either busquets/defenders, usually doesn`t venture too much in attack and is almost never to be found in the opposition box.


come deep/try killer/dictate tempo/one-twos.


HB - busquets.

Originally a def midfielder aimed at recycling possesion and pressing up the pitch, he was later used in guardiola`s setup to help the defenders when wing backs venture in attack (he was even used as cb, which he sucked balls at cuz he had not enough speed to catch up with the loose defenders)


Stays back at all times/ runs rarely with ball/short passing


Left back (alba)
gets forward whenever possible, runs down the left, knocks ball


Righ back (alves).

Alves usually is to be found in guardiola`s setup as a winger/defensive winger. There are times when he is even more advanced than the Winger. What his going up allows is the winger to get into goalscoring opportunities by having almost permanently his back covered. In my setup i`ve sold alexis and pedro (each for 40+ mils) cuz i hate them irl and i`m playing deulofeu (cheap free + shitloads of skill). He has over 20 goals, more than neymar simply because alves`s pushing forward.


Runs down right/gets forward whenever possible/dive into tackles/ hugs line/shoot with power (this is not a must, alves has it so he scores some goals aswell).


central defs

should have just "does not dive into tackles" and "tries to play his way out of trouble"



Finally, results :


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16 goals received in a full campaign with over 100 scored. Just 3 goals in all CL matches lol. Defence looks rock solid, interceptions are made mostly before getting any way closer to the box.

Messi has !!!! 74 goals
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Under 19 has same tactic. Manager is Samaden (ex inter youth develop)

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Pretty similar to my team and i got noob youngsters. Just 2-3 are good, rest are ****. The best are loaned out.

If you are gonna go on a "you save-loaded" rampage on me, there is proof i didnt around inbetween page 15-25.



I will update this initial post to supply further tactical guidance. Just not now.


This link will always be the latest update in order cut the searching through 15 pages to a minimum.

Cheers ^^

Edit :

This is another (new) version of this tactic.
Aimed at :
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Results :

106 points, 154 scored 20 conceeded.

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Play with incisive playmaker role. Engache works wonders or ap(a) with move into channels.
Play with defensive line (most of the games leave it as set)
Wasn't using OI at all.

Cheers.

Tactic :

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JC3

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Just an advice. If you want people to test your tactic, better you put some SS.
 
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Just an advice. If you want people to test your tactic, better you put some SS.
:D Don`t need to. I don`t actually need people to test this, i`ve watched the matches and it works like a charm. Everything is as it should. As far as i`m concerned its the best representation of how Guardiola used to play. I`ve tried several tiki taka tactis, the closest used to be the one by kun. But lets not forget it`s set to very "rigid" which actually is totally wrong.

I am actually doing you a favor by posting this, not the opposite. You should be thanking, not asking for more work. :D
 

kitchin75

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try it with some 1 that is not barca then you can come back and be a big head about how good you think this tac is
 

JC3

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:D Don`t need to. I don`t actually need people to test this, i`ve watched the matches and it works like a charm. Everything is as it should. As far as i`m concerned its the best representation of how Guardiola used to play. I`ve tried several tiki taka tactis, the closest used to be the one by kun. But lets not forget it`s set to very "rigid" which actually is totally wrong.

I am actually doing you a favor by posting this, not the opposite. You should be thanking, not asking for more work. :D
ok.
 

feche

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It's a 451 with a LOT of instructions

GK
2 BPD
2 CWB
HB
DLP S
AP S
2 IF S
Treq
 
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Actually its
-------------------------SK(d)Valdes-----------------------------
CWBR(a)(Alves)---BPD(d)(Pique)---BPD(d)Bartra-----WBL(a)Alba---
---------------------HB(d)(Busquets)-----------------------------
--------------DLP(s)(Xavi)--AP(s)(Iniesta)------------------------
IF(s)Alexis---------------------------------------------------IF(s) Neymar
-------------------------T(a)(Messi)-----------------------------

Everything else is handled via personal instructions.

Corners are set up decently, if there`s no goal from corners its just cuz set pieces haven`t been trained.
 

apvmoreira

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I am actually doing you a favor by posting this, not the opposite. You should be thanking, not asking for more work. :D
This is not Guardiola, im sorry. You should had posted that this is Mourinho style.
In my superior (because i am) way of saying things, try this with Swansea and if it works you have something that can be called a tactic.

Btw, don't need to thank me for this, ok?
 
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:D Don`t need to. I don`t actually need people to test this, i`ve watched the matches and it works like a charm. Everything is as it should. As far as i`m concerned its the best representation of how Guardiola used to play. I`ve tried several tiki taka tactis, the closest used to be the one by kun. But lets not forget it`s set to very "rigid" which actually is totally wrong.

I am actually doing you a favor by posting this, not the opposite. You should be thanking, not asking for more work. :D
I realise that 10 games played with Barca amounts to some pretty impressive research and that you don't need anybody to test this as it works beautifully (seemingly by simply ticking all the available team instructions) but I gave it a go with my Swansea save regardless. As we were comfortable in 3rd place in Novemember, I decided that switching to your tactic (that you did us a favour by posting) in mid-season was acceptable. Here's how it went

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Should I be thanking you for these impressive possession figures?
 
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I realise ...
Should I be thanking you for these impressive possession figures?
Are you implying that you should get with a **** team 80% possesion ? Its barely possible. Even pep himself if he had been coaching Levante wouldn`t have managed it.

All i`m trying to say is that this tactic is what barcelona played and will work with Barca as is. AKA as it was when the game was started.

Afk testing this with arsenal. Will post results.
 

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:D Don`t need to. I don`t actually need people to test this, i`ve watched the matches and it works like a charm. Everything is as it should. As far as i`m concerned its the best representation of how Guardiola used to play. I`ve tried several tiki taka tactis, the closest used to be the one by kun. But lets not forget it`s set to very "rigid" which actually is totally wrong.

I am actually doing you a favor by posting this, not the opposite. You should be thanking, not asking for more work. :D
Very 'rigid' is not totally wrong if you have over 4 specialist roles,
 
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Are you implying that you should get with a **** team 80% possesion ? Its barely possible. Even pep himself if he had been coaching Levante wouldn`t have managed it.

All i`m trying to say is that this tactic is what barcelona played and will work with Barca as is. AKA as it was when the game was started.

Afk testing this with arsenal. Will post results.
Quite the charmer, aren't you? No, I was just following your suggestions. Making a team like Barca play well is hardly a challenge and saying you've cracked it after 10 games with Barca is jumping the gun somewhat.

The primary style of any Guardiola tactic is possession. Everyone knows that. If I end up at the end of the match with less possession than the opposition, it's not Guardiola style at all, no matter what team you pick.
 
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Very 'rigid' is not totally wrong if you have over 4 specialist roles,
It is, because "total football" and tiki taka is based on the movement of players that change positions. Have you never actually seen Pique going forwards and dribbling and trying to create superiority in the upper field ? That is not possible via "very rigid" if i am correct, as the team is expected to keep its tactical shape. When pique move forward another player comes to cover, usually busquets. His role is then taken by xavi who provides cover making sure there are still no spaces left even if pique acts as a striker lol.
 

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It is, because "total football" and tiki taka is based on the movement of players that change positions. Have you never actually seen Pique going forwards and dribbling and trying to create superiority in the upper field ? That is not possible via "very rigid" if i am correct, as the team is expected to keep its tactical shape. When pique move forward another player comes to cover, usually busquets. His role is then taken by xavi who provides cover making sure there are still no spaces left even if pique acts as a striker lol.
Yes I have seen Piqu? play thankyou, fluidity of movement and interchange is possible in very rigid, all it means is that players stick to their role, shouts can be used to create interchange etc, anyways I digress
 
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