Possible implementation of Bayern's 4-1-4-1 ?

[rogermendes29]

Test 1

I know that 10 matches are not much, but can give a basic oversight of a tactic, whether it is a competent one or not and is worth to improve further.

Since that attacking concept was awful, I changed a bit:

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So you're not trying to emulate nothing. Just create a tactic that works?

 

[Chruemmel]

Don't you have problems defending with both wingers in attack and SS? There must be a lot of space in between the attacking and midfield lines if you don't win the ball early

I felt Like the Shadow Striker was working quite well even in the defensive play . Buts thats something to look at.
I ended up with playing Alaba as suport and Lahm as IWBs
After Holidaying one Season with Bayern and this Tatic i ended up First in the Bundesliga. But it was to Close for me so there is still alot of todo.

Here are some results:

Champions League and DFB Pokal

 

[zyndar]

So you're not trying to emulate nothing. Just create a tactic that works?

Well both. In the first test everything went bad, which was according to our discussion here. You can also tell me which setting you find not in line with our discussion.

 

[zyndar]

Test 2

Failed, but started promising. The opposition has far too many chances.

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[rogermendes29]

Test 2

Failed, but started promising. The opposition has far too many chances.

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Can you show the positions like you did but with and without the ball? So we can compare the width bettween the fullbacks and the wingers

 

[bantons]

Here is my effort, I will play some more matches to see if it keeps winning and having high possesion. Please feel free to test it and tweak it:

 

[bantons]

Cant believe it is not scoring more goals

 

[zyndar]

Looks great mate! I will try in my testing league later.

 

[zyndar]

Can you show the positions like you did but with and without the ball? So we can compare the width bettween the fullbacks and the wingers

Green is with the ball.

 

[bantons]

Half way done.
For some reason I cannot explane the tactic is terrible in CL Im thinking about changing the DM to deeplaying playmaker - defence

 

[zyndar]

Looks great mate! I will try in my testing league later.

Well, I think it is working for you since you are with Bayern. In the testing league it's not good.

 

[bantons]

Well, I think it is working for you since you are with Bayern. In the testing league it's not good.

I thought the idea was to make the tactic work for them like in real life not to make a tactic that will work for all teams maybe I miss understood then

 

[zyndar]

I thought the idea was to make the tactic work for them like in real life not to make a tactic that will work for all teams maybe I miss understood then

That's a good point! But yes, the goal is to create something for other teams as well.

 

[bantons]

That's a good point! But yes, the goal is to create something for other teams as well.

then testing with Bayern was a bad idea

 

[rogermendes29]

Green is with the ball.

The wingers should be wider with the ball, that's why you can't pick IF and the defense should be forward which says that you have more time with the ball in the opponents side. "thiago" i think with the DLP will drop deeper and you'll see that in the map of positions. the striker is too up front too in my opinion, you want to have the team compact defending and attacking.

 

[zyndar]

TeamGeist​

I think we finally got something unique here. I cannot recall any other tactic performing so well in this testing leage before. It's even got a fancy name! (H) I'll play at least the half season to it's progressing.

It has robust defence, concedes very few, scores enough - the striker is scoring the goals - and has the ability to dominate 90% of the matches.

I know that this I cannot call a full emulation of Bayern's tactic, but is something similar, which is actually working in the game.

Try it and give feedback.

Thanks.

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[DoubleR]

I see a lot of 1-0's, are you sure you weren't just very lucky?

 

[rogermendes29]

TeamGeist​

I think we finally got something unique here. I cannot recall any other tactic performing so well in this testing leage before. It's even got a fancy name! (H) I'll play at least the half season to it's progressing.

It has robust defence, concedes very few, scores enough - the striker is scoring the goals - and has the ability to dominate 90% of the matches.

I know that this I cannot call a full emulation of Bayern's tactic, but is something similar, which is actually working in the game.

Try it and give feedback.

Thanks.

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So as i said before you don't wanna recreate nothing just want to have your bit of success in the forum so you create a tactic saying that it recreates bayern or whatever and it doesn't. Start your own thread next time saying it's your ideas like TFF and CE and etc.

 

[DoubleR]

So as i said before you don't wanna recreate nothing just want to have your bit of success in the forum so you create a tactic saying that it recreates bayern or whatever and it doesn't. Start your own thread next time saying it's your ideas like TFF and CE and etc.

Lol what does it matter how he calls the thread ? Trf9's is called "devestator", do you see that tactic anywhere? Did he make a new thread? Ce is called over achieving , his starting concept being to over achieve. Zyndar already has a thread called deadly circle. This thread / concept, however, started as wanting to recreate Bayern.. What does it matter that, along the way, it did not turn out like that. Just try the tactic of you want and give feedback.. Let creators decide how they wanna call it, which concept they wanna use and how they want to structure their threads, be happy there are people like zyndar out there who help us to enjoy the game

 

[zyndar]

I see a lot of 1-0's, are you sure you weren't just very lucky?

Check the match stats. However I'll update for more matches.

So as i said before you don't wanna recreate nothing just want to have your bit of success in the forum so you create a tactic saying that it recreates bayern or whatever and it doesn't. Start your own thread next time saying it's your ideas like TFF and CE and etc.

Yes it started like that, but if we are following the Bayern style -at the level we are capable- than I have to say it's not working here or I simply don't have the talent to implement it. As I mentioned in the post, it's not a recreation, just something similar. And according to DoubleR, I already have 2 threads - Deadly Circle and Hydra - so it's not about success in the forum.