Agree with this, but at Wolves the weekend, and mostly other games, The south bank (behind the right goal>) stands up all game anyway, despite the attempts of stewards...
If I'm not mistaken, there's standing areas in some lower league stadiums which seems reasonably successful. However last year, there was a cup match, and in one of the areas, there was an almighty crush which made conditions very uncomfortable for some fans at the match (of the top of my head I can't remember where it was-trying to find out). I can see it coming back at some point though-there's already stadium designs to keep fans seperate anyway to prevent trouble. I still feel uncomfortable about the idea though. If it does come back in, I pray to god it's policed and stewarded properly.
That stand at Peterborough's stadium looks like a disaster waiting to happen :S
Pretty much every other club in League 2 & Conference have at least one stand like that.
That hardly get filled out.
I prefer standing to sitting, that's why I always get a seat in the kop end at anfield, because everyone stands there all match. The stewards try to get us to sit down.. but we just laugh/ignore them.
I agree standing is better, but 'safe' standing? What exactly is that? All I see is a piece of plastic behind the stander and a metal bar to make life even worse if there is a crush.
I never said they did get filled, but even if it was it wouldn't be over-filled, which is usually what causes accidents.
Safe standing is what they use in Budesliga.
Also, you stand at the top of the Kop, yeah, that's probably where they would install the standing, where the fans like to stand. It's highly unlikely they aren't planning entire stands like in Dortmund, just 5,000 or-so seats in the main [Home] stand. Kind of seems slightly hypocritical that you would stand in a seated area rather than in an area designed for standing..
Look, I'm not sure why I'm trying to actually sell safe-standing to people, I just think you all need to stop and actually think about why you oppose it. "It's unsafe?" Prove it. If you Google "Safe standing" there should be a website that will tell you about safe standing, give it a read.
I agree standing is better, but 'safe' standing? What exactly is that? All I see is a piece of plastic behind the stander and a metal bar to make life even worse if there is a crush.
I don't buy that having a piece of plastic behind you and a metal bar'd hand rail infront is deemed as "safe".
You can't get a crush effect as nobody is pushing behind you, just leaning onto the metal bar. I believe that it's being sold as 1 person per ''seat'' so you just stand in front of your locked up seat, no overcrowding.
I doubt clubs who will use it will keep control over the seat scheme. I don't know what it's like with other teams that're away from home, but when we're away from home we just stand in any seat, no one really cares. I'm pretty sure if it happened at a 'safe stand' then there would still be a shortage of space.
How can you continue to argue against it with such retarded points?
-Clubs cannot sell more tickets than are avaliable.
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Oh yeah, that went down well at Hillsborough.
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Oh yeah, that went down well at Hillsborough. People are always bunking in. Stupid, stupid, stupid idea. If clubs need to invest to get "safe standing" after being promoted to the top two tiers then they may as well get seats. I can't start to understand how "safe standing" is actually safe. A piece of plastic and a metal bar won't stop a bunch of drunken lively supporters from jumping everywhere when their teams score.
It's a bit awkward when someone so uneducated as yourself accuses someone of being retarded for putting their views across. But that's just my opinion. We're on an internet forum were you post topics and people reply with their views.
No proof that standing is dangerous? Don't even go there. You actually sound a bit of ****** yourself for stating that.
Have you tried sneaking into a stadium? Good luck with that, mate. Hillsborough was almost 25 years ago, times change, laws change and this time the safety laws are very, very tough, to avoid disasters like that happening again.
It isn't about poor clubs, it probably costs more to make safe-standing than it does seated. I don't even know what you mean by that comment about drunk people.. It makes no difference if they were in seating because they would still be stood up!
How am I uneducated? You are the uneducated one. Thinking that safe-standing is dangerous despite having no proof. Just because you say it is unsafe doesn't automatically make you correct. OK, go and find one person, one company that think standing is dangerous. Standing up is not dangerous, people are dangerous.
No proof that standing is dangerous? Don't even go there. You actually sound a bit of ****** yourself for stating that.
The only reason you are against it, is because of Hillsborough, which was what.. 25 years ago?
I love standing at football matches, prefer it to sitting down, I can see why people are apprehensive about it due to its past, but instead of just 'Don't do it, people might get crushed' we should be looking at 'Yeah, when it was around 25 years ago, people got crushed and killed, which is extremely sad, now how can we use the mistakes we made then to improve and implement safe standing in this day and age, and negate the chance of people being crushed.'
There have been countless accounts of crushes and stampedes at concerts/gigs, but they still have standing areas, and are 99% crush free, well a crush that could/would cause you harm, and everyone is safe and has a good time, and that is in a much more consistently boisterous atmosphere.
Have you tried sneaking into a stadium? Good luck with that, mate.
Hillsborough was almost 25 years ago, times change, laws change and this time the safety laws are very, very tough, to avoid disasters like that happening again.
Yeah, actually. Luton and Goodison, to name a few... 'mate'.
Times change; thanks for that captain obvious
Law changes; do happen to keep up to date with society
Memories; don't change and aren't forgotten.