Tactic Testing System by TFF

NEW 16.2 PATCH TEST RESULTS​


TABLE​


[TABLE="width: 520, align: center"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 196, align: center"]TACTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 42, align: center"]PLD[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: center"]WON[/TD]
[TD="width: 47, align: center"]DRN[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]LST[/TD]
[TD="width: 44, align: center"]FOR[/TD]
[TD="width: 35, align: center"]AG[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, align: center"]GD[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, align: center"]PTS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 196, align: center"]TFF DEVASTATOR V6[/TD]
[TD="width: 42, align: center"]96[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: center"]61[/TD]
[TD="width: 47, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 44, align: center"]222[/TD]
[TD="width: 35, align: center"]106[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, align: center"]+116[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, align: center"]201[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 196, align: center"]GivingItLaldy -DM's high tempo[/TD]
[TD="width: 42, align: center"]96[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: center"]48[/TD]
[TD="width: 47, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]30[/TD]
[TD="width: 44, align: center"]204[/TD]
[TD="width: 35, align: center"]147[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, align: center"]+57[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, align: center"]162[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



TFF DEVASTATOR V6​


SEASON 1​



REPLAY OF THE SEASON 1​








GivingItLaldy -DM's high tempo​
SEASON 1​



REPLAY OF THE SEASON 1​
 
sorry if already explained, but how is reputation taken into account in this testing? i.e. what's the test team reputation? also, wouldn't the whole process be more 'accurate' if it included opponents with different reputations (those CL caliber clubs all have very high rep), as it seems to me reputation is a very relevant factor in FM and has a big impact on AI's mentality and tactical choices.

plus, randomness of AI teams' results still kills me inside a little bit ;)
 
kandersson said:
sorry if already explained, but how is reputation taken into account in this testing? i.e. what's the test team reputation? also, wouldn't the whole process be more 'accurate' if it included opponents with different reputations (those CL caliber clubs all have very high rep), as it seems to me reputation is a very relevant factor in FM and has a big impact on AI's mentality and tactical choices.

plus, randomness of AI teams' results still kills me inside a little bit ;)
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Everything is very simple:

- All AI teams have the same reputation as they have in the real game.

- The testing team is a little bit weaker than AI clubs and it has strength similar to such clubs as Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham, Atletic Madrid and it has reputation similar to these clubs.
 
TotalFootballFan9 said:
Everything is very simple:

- All AI teams have the same reputation as they have in the real game.

- The testing team is a little bit weaker than AI clubs and it has strength similar to such clubs as Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham, Atletic Madrid and it has reputation similar to these clubs.
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Ok, but doesn't this make the testing a bit 'one sided', i.e. the test team is always the underdog so I'd assume less aggressive tactics would generally do better than attacking ones, as test team is always facing opponents with higher reputation.

In my (very) humble opinion a more complete testing should include opponents of all kind of reputations (which is the case in 'real' leagues) to get a better idea of all-around effectiveness and versatility of a tactic :)
 
DaRoderick said:
TFF, if I'm correct your test would say the Devastator tactic is the best with top-tier teams (looking at the player description in the topic description) and other tactics like Mahluk and the 4-2-2-2 Gatling Project for more mid/low-tier clubs? Or am I wrong?
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TABLE​


[TABLE="width: 520, align: center"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 196, align: center"]TACTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 42, align: center"]PLD[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: center"]WON[/TD]
[TD="width: 47, align: center"]DRN[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]LST[/TD]
[TD="width: 44, align: center"]FOR[/TD]
[TD="width: 35, align: center"]AG[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, align: center"]GD[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, align: center"]PTS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 196, align: center"]TFF DEVASTATOR V6[/TD]
[TD="width: 42, align: center"]96[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: center"]61[/TD]
[TD="width: 47, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 44, align: center"]222[/TD]
[TD="width: 35, align: center"]106[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, align: center"]+116[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, align: center"]201[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 196, align: center"]Mahluk Taktik v2.11[/TD]
[TD="width: 42, align: center"]96[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: center"]50[/TD]
[TD="width: 47, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]30[/TD]
[TD="width: 44, align: center"]194[/TD]
[TD="width: 35, align: center"]130[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, align: center"]+64[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, align: center"]166[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 196, align: center"]GivingItLaldy -DM's high tempo[/TD]
[TD="width: 42, align: center"]96[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: center"]48[/TD]
[TD="width: 47, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]30[/TD]
[TD="width: 44, align: center"]204[/TD]
[TD="width: 35, align: center"]147[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, align: center"]+57[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, align: center"]162[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



Mahluk Taktik v2.11​


SEASON 1​



REPLAY OF THE SEASON 1​

 
kandersson said:
Ok, but doesn't this make the testing a bit 'one sided', i.e. the test team is always the underdog so I'd assume less aggressive tactics would generally do better than attacking ones, as test team is always facing opponents with higher reputation.

In my (very) humble opinion a more complete testing should include opponents of all kind of reputations (which is the case in 'real' leagues) to get a better idea of all-around effectiveness and versatility of a tactic :)
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I agree. Thanks to TFF, my QPR side has won the PL three times back to back. Now teams are playing defensively against me all the time due to my higher reputation.

With Devastator v6, I find myself sometimes being caught on the break by sides playing defensively. Obviously, this can happen to every tactic, but as kandersson said, it would be helpful to add these data points of lower rep teams (to the existing dataset) in order to give a more holistic presentation of possible results.
 
ralphs said:
I agree. Thanks to TFF, my QPR side has won the PL three times back to back. Now teams are playing defensively against me all the time due to my higher reputation.

With Devastator v6, I find myself sometimes being caught on the break by sides playing defensively. Obviously, this can happen to every tactic, but as kandersson said, it would be helpful to add these data points of lower rep teams (to the existing dataset) in order to give a more holistic presentation of possible results.
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kandersson said:
Ok, but doesn't this make the testing a bit 'one sided', i.e. the test team is always the underdog so I'd assume less aggressive tactics would generally do better than attacking ones, as test team is always facing opponents with higher reputation.

In my (very) humble opinion a more complete testing should include opponents of all kind of reputations (which is the case in 'real' leagues) to get a better idea of all-around effectiveness and versatility of a tactic :)
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Ok, guys... I'll show you what would happen if you test against 5 bottom clubs of English Premier League...

Is this what you want to see?
 
TotalFootballFan9 said:
Ok, guys... I'll show you what would happen if you test against 5 bottom clubs of English Premier League...

Is this what you want to see?
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don't want to add to your workload, your testing system is already appreciated :)

ideally you could run a test with 'mixed' rep clubs, or if you keep your current modus operandi you could have different tiers of testing (one vs top teams, another one vs middle table/top half caliber teams and the last one vs relegation/bottom half clubs).

I'm sure you know much more than me about testing though!
 
Not necessarily the bottom fodder--how about teams that are of similar or slightly lower rep? My understanding of your current testing is that you only have higher rep teams.
 
Tff it is good to test by going on holiday all matches?(before 1st I made sure tactic was fluid and ticked "Use same match tactics")
 
Download a testing league when you are the favorite ------> Tactic Testing League(when you are strong favorite) by TFF​


Ok, I see there's some demand for such testing when the testing team is a favorite. Heh, to say honestly, I don't understand such requests because for me it's obvious if you can dominate the league that consists of the best world clubs with slightly weaker team then it's obvious that you just destroy any other weaker teams... ;)

Anyway I made a league that consist of 6 bottom clubs from English Premier League: Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford, Aston Villa, Leicester, Sunderland.

The testing team is the same as in the testing vs world top clubs

If anyone has a lot free time to do such testing then feel free to do it... I don't have any interest in such testing and I'll show you why...

Here's how Devastator V6 performs in such testing:

PLD (48) WIN (43) D (4) L (1) GD (+120) PTS (133)

As you can see only 4 draws and 1 lose due to extremely unluck that unavoidable should happen on such distance... and I'm sure that any other more or less good tactics will show similar performance because tactic's quality play minimal role in such testing.



 
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EL92 said:
Tff it is good to test by going on holiday all matches?(before 1st I made sure tactic was fluid and ticked "Use same match tactics")
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No mate... unfortunately it isn't possible to test tactic just going on holiday because in this case the result you'll get will to different from when you normally play the game or use Instant Result.
 
TotalFootballFan9 said:
Anyway I made a league that consist of 6 bottom clubs from English Premier League: Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford, Aston Villa, Leicester, Sunderland.
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How Dare You:

Were Top of the League

Were Top of the League

Were Leicester City

Were Top of the League.
 
THX Tff for share ur testing league save, now i can work at my tactic, what save is best for test? i download the file on OP, because i think is a classic medium/top team is true?
 
hi mate could u please add my tactic to your test as i have tested myself which seemed good but as you have pointed out going on holiday isn't really a great way of testing.

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Have beaten The Devastator in several tests now. Feel free to try and give your opinion. Have tried it with Man Utd in game as well with an PL win and a runner up for CL as result :)
 
NEW 16.2 PATCH TEST RESULTS​


TABLE​


[TABLE="width: 520, align: center"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 196, align: center"]TACTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 42, align: center"]PLD[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: center"]WON[/TD]
[TD="width: 47, align: center"]DRN[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]LST[/TD]
[TD="width: 44, align: center"]FOR[/TD]
[TD="width: 35, align: center"]AG[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, align: center"]GD[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, align: center"]PTS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 196, align: center"]TFF DEVASTATOR V6[/TD]
[TD="width: 42, align: center"]96[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: center"]61[/TD]
[TD="width: 47, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 44, align: center"]222[/TD]
[TD="width: 35, align: center"]106[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, align: center"]+116[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, align: center"]201[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 196, align: center"]Mr L 4-4-2 Heavy Metal v2[/TD]
[TD="width: 42, align: center"]96[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: center"]50[/TD]
[TD="width: 47, align: center"]24[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]28[/TD]
[TD="width: 44, align: center"]204[/TD]
[TD="width: 35, align: center"]150[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, align: center"]+54[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, align: center"]168[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 196, align: center"]Mahluk Taktik v2.11[/TD]
[TD="width: 42, align: center"]96[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: center"]50[/TD]
[TD="width: 47, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]30[/TD]
[TD="width: 44, align: center"]194[/TD]
[TD="width: 35, align: center"]130[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, align: center"]+64[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, align: center"]166[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 196, align: center"]GivingItLaldy -DM's high tempo[/TD]
[TD="width: 42, align: center"]96[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: center"]48[/TD]
[TD="width: 47, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]30[/TD]
[TD="width: 44, align: center"]204[/TD]
[TD="width: 35, align: center"]147[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, align: center"]+57[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, align: center"]162[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



Mr L 4-4-2 Heavy Metal v2​


SEASON 1​



REPLAY OF THE SEASON 1​

 
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