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[TACTICAL DISCUSSION] Efficient and effective
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I'm.. talking about.. sort of opposite tactical system to that, mate. It's like you did not even read my first post. You're dominating matches, since that tactic uses "Control" mentality, which you can not do with West Brom against the likes of Manchester City.
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Well, first game was against Chelsea at home, lost 4-1. I don't think it was the tactics fault, tbh. Schneiderlin, got 4.6 match rating lol. Clyne and Lovren had 5.7 ratings. Next game up is Manchester United.
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Not exactly a plug and play tactic but if it doesn't work I'll suggest using some other. This thread was meant to start a discussion about more efficient tactic style of counter attacking, which doesn't seem too popular here. Everyone wants to be Barcelona.
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Not exactly a plug and play tactic but if it doesn't work I'll suggest using some other. This thread was meant to start a discussion about more efficient tactic style of counter attacking, which doesn't seem too popular here. Everyone wants to be Barcelona.
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Yeah, not saying it's a bad tactic. It just didn't work out for me
What an amazing thread! I miss the FM 10 and 11 where I was very successful using this kind of approach. I'm on 13 yet due to some annoying games in 14. But I'm thinking on return to 14 to experiment this. Also, on the SI Forum, there's a quite good thread debating on this subject too. It would worth to take a look on that I guess.
I need to ask a couple of question:
1- What training do you use? I ask this because I get a sort of contradictory results. This is an approach based on keeping the shape so, in theory, it would work with defending positioning. When I use this, I tend to not concede but my attacking phase is a bit poor. When I use attacking movement, the defending part of my team is really poor. On general training, I always use team cohesion or balanced;
2- What about OI's? I'm one of those managers that believe this take a vital role on the game, to nullify opponents dangers. However, every time I use this seems to ruin my system and kinda backfires it. I might not use it in the future, using instead the PI or changing the roles;
I need to ask a couple of question:
1- What training do you use? I ask this because I get a sort of contradictory results. This is an approach based on keeping the shape so, in theory, it would work with defending positioning. When I use this, I tend to not concede but my attacking phase is a bit poor. When I use attacking movement, the defending part of my team is really poor. On general training, I always use team cohesion or balanced;
2- What about OI's? I'm one of those managers that believe this take a vital role on the game, to nullify opponents dangers. However, every time I use this seems to ruin my system and kinda backfires it. I might not use it in the future, using instead the PI or changing the roles;
I know it isn't a good tactic, that's why I never shared it in the first place. It just seems to work for me, probably because of in-game changes and players.Yeah, not saying it's a bad tactic. It just didn't work out for me
Could you link me to it?
1 - I use Tactics throughout the year for general training since I keep changing tactics and it needs work, my match training is mostly defensive positioning when I use this tactic, but I do use Attacking movement when facing the likes of Stoke, away. I also go with defending set-pieces when I see a manager with tendencies "Expects strong set-pieces".
2 - I do use OI. I first ask Kieth Downing (defending coach) to do it, then I alter some of them according to the player.
Again, when facing the likes of City and Chelsea and Arsenal away, I recommend direct passing/go route one and Stand off opponent for better defensive shape or they'll exploit, however pressing even in counter can be effective. I'm on my way to achieve the "10 clean sheets" achievement (was it Park the tank?) on steam, haven't conceded in 8 matches.
Edit: I also tend to add "Tight marking" OI to wide players in away games, since they are absolute assassins at home, even if they have 6 finishing.
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Counter Attack 101?
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That's a great run of results, specially for a club like WBA. Without a very good tactic, in those clubs you really need to react and micro manage accordingly to the opposition strengths and your weaknesses, so it's even rewarding. Keep up the good work.
I'm in 13 for now, trying to make this work with Arsenal (with the team without Ozil). They seem perfect for this. Currently winning at OT 1-0. Perfect ahah
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That's a great run of results, specially for a club like WBA. Without a very good tactic, in those clubs you really need to react and micro manage accordingly to the opposition strengths and your weaknesses, so it's even rewarding. Keep up the good work.
I'm in 13 for now, trying to make this work with Arsenal (with the team without Ozil). They seem perfect for this. Currently winning at OT 1-0. Perfect ahah
Yeah, It's perfect for winning 1-0, grinding out results, use Stand off opponents to retain better shape when leading.
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Just took a sneak look at your tactic.
1) Did it not have a DLP instead of a BWM? Do you alternate between the two?
2) I have noticed some conflicting Player instructions (instructions greyed out).. Is there a reason for this? Is it an error ?
3) do you always play with a DLF on attack?
4) have you tried float crosses and hit early crosses?
1) Did it not have a DLP instead of a BWM? Do you alternate between the two?
2) I have noticed some conflicting Player instructions (instructions greyed out).. Is there a reason for this? Is it an error ?
3) do you always play with a DLF on attack?
4) have you tried float crosses and hit early crosses?
Yup, I change the player roles depending upon opposition. I had faced Arsenal recently so had BWM. I even change BBM to AP at times, especially when paired with a BWM. I also switch DM role b/w Anchor and BWM, depending on needs of the match. I sometimes use CM (defend) when I need a defensive player as CM but not a ball winner.
The greyed out instructions are because of changing roles, for eg I have "Close down more" for DLP but then I change it to BWM, hence the conflict. I also keep "more direct passes" to DLP. You'll find they are only in midfield three, not anywhere else.
Yes, DLF attack. I do use Poacher/Advanced forward too when I play a CAM. Although I'm not a fan of Poacher, but I don't have a Target Man in this team. I'm planning Mitrovic for next season.
Yes I do that too, in game changes. I mostly never use consistent instruction and player roles, you'd have seen a whole different tactic if the match had been Cardiff away, although I'd still use the general theme of C-A. I also used Stand off opponents against Arsenal after watching first 20 minutes, how easily they were playing through my team.
The greyed out instructions are because of changing roles, for eg I have "Close down more" for DLP but then I change it to BWM, hence the conflict. I also keep "more direct passes" to DLP. You'll find they are only in midfield three, not anywhere else.
Yes, DLF attack. I do use Poacher/Advanced forward too when I play a CAM. Although I'm not a fan of Poacher, but I don't have a Target Man in this team. I'm planning Mitrovic for next season.
Yes I do that too, in game changes. I mostly never use consistent instruction and player roles, you'd have seen a whole different tactic if the match had been Cardiff away, although I'd still use the general theme of C-A. I also used Stand off opponents against Arsenal after watching first 20 minutes, how easily they were playing through my team.
I use a very similar tactic except on very fluid instead of very rigid and with no player instructions other than for the GK. With lower tempo and a more possession orientated approach if the counter isn't on as the team will automatically goes to high tempo if a counter is on. It's working very well for me.
Thanks to this thread I have updated my tactic so that both CM are on support (previously 1 support and 1 attack), as well as setting one of the Cm to B2B role. This has improved my tactic as it has allowed me to keep sustained pressure on the opponents as well as improving defensive stability.
Cheers for the interesting discussion!
Thanks to this thread I have updated my tactic so that both CM are on support (previously 1 support and 1 attack), as well as setting one of the Cm to B2B role. This has improved my tactic as it has allowed me to keep sustained pressure on the opponents as well as improving defensive stability.
Cheers for the interesting discussion!
I tend to add the instruction to Fullbacks and CMs "Close down More" to continue pressing, which would be useful since you focus on more possession oriented approach.
I'm trying to make this work with Liverpool. I don't have the patience to work on my tactic. My next games will be Chelsea at home, Spurs at WHL, Newcastle at Anfield (COC) and Man U. at Anfield. Big games coming up. How would you set up in these games?
I'm thinking in set one CB to cover (probably Skrtel), having a BWM on to press relentlessly and probably a DLP or AP to launch the counters, as I won't play with an AMC. Probably direct passing with pass into space, etc.
How are you get one with WBA in these kind of games?
I'm thinking in set one CB to cover (probably Skrtel), having a BWM on to press relentlessly and probably a DLP or AP to launch the counters, as I won't play with an AMC. Probably direct passing with pass into space, etc.
How are you get one with WBA in these kind of games?
Thanks I'll try that as well and see how it goes... not the best time for experimentation though, only 4 games to the end of the season and a title race on!
Once thing I noticed with your set-up, you would perhaps have a nice tweak to put a wing-back behind the the inside forward instead of a full-back, according to the guidance in this thread Pairs & Combinations: The Complete Series
Once thing I noticed with your set-up, you would perhaps have a nice tweak to put a wing-back behind the the inside forward instead of a full-back, according to the guidance in this thread Pairs & Combinations: The Complete Series
I'd say Chelsea at home, attacking (control mentality) 4-3-3, I rarely play counter at home.
4-3-3 with one Anchor man, Don't put any defensive line instructions (so they'll stay b/w deep and high). Chelsea will most likely use Hazard, Mata, Willian if no injuries, Defender with cover is definitely needed here, they all play through balls.
DLP/AP coupled with Box to box would be good, both "Close down more" with shoot less often for BBM (I'm guessing that'll be Gerrard and he shoots a lot). High tempo, short passing if weather is sunny, more direct if it's rainy.
If you're into first year, I'd say go for more defensive approach in away games, Spurs may be joke IRL but they're monstrous in game, especially at WHL. Stand off opponent, 4-3-3 Counter with deep line, more direct passing/go route one, much higher tempo. Suarez as IF on left or DLF.
Attack newcastle with almost same as Chelsea setup but 4-2-3-1, United again are monstrous but since it's at Anfield, same as against Chelsea. You could use other instructions how you may like and think would be better, in game.
I'd recommend BWM in Tottenham and Manchester United game, maybe in Chelsea if they start dominating possession, but since you're playing home, you should be comfortable.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]AayushCFC you seem to have suggested you use more and more tweaks of strategy's/width/defensive line/positions/player instructions as the thread has gone on, how does your team cope with that? Because in FM terms this probably equals allot of different systems. This is not a criticism of you or your systems by the way, far from it because I agree with your tweaks it is just that with the limitations that match preparation gives you I can only see your side hugely lacking in learning these systems and this is half the reason I tend to play FMC allot more now, I really wish the full fat version would remove tactic familiarity too, it should not be so dependant. In real life if your side changed from Attacking to Defensive in one game for the last 20 minutes the side could adjust to that accordingly, in FM this would certainly be not the case.[/FONT]