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Athe~ said:
What question? You REALLY don't see a contradiction between "they would've succeded if they stayed" and "Wenger let them go because they were past it"?
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I didn't say that. I said they had more chance of succeeding at Arsenal after a good season, and failing at Arsenal the next season the majority of the time. And that I believe Wenger is a good judge of when it's worth cashing in on a player. Of course I can't guarantee they would have succeeded if they'd stayed. But it's easier to stay and continue to do well at a club you've already been doing well for than to go to another country and try to adapt to that country, new management, team-mates, tactics, etc.

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Sulsey said:
“I rate Gael very highly but I rate highly as well Kieran Gibbs, and he is now at an age where he has to play. And that’s the main reason behind that, to give Gibbs a chance”. Said Arsene Wenger.

Oh dear.

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Wenger aiming “for one or two more additions of top quality” | Arseblog News – the one stop Arsenal news site

One or two more? That's not enough.
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Still see us replacing him. Gibbs will get a chance but I'm confident we'll sign another LB as well.
 
Joss said:
I didn't say that. I said they had more chance of succeeding at Arsenal after a good season, and failing at Arsenal the next season the majority of the time. And that I believe Wenger is a good judge of when it's worth cashing in on a player. Of course I can't guarantee they would have succeeded if they'd stayed. But it's easier to stay and continue to do well at a club you've already been doing well for than to go to another country and try to adapt to that country, new management, team-mates, tactics, etc.
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It may be easier but it's no certainty, mind. And most, if not all, of them, moved to teams that were on par or above Arsenal in terms of competitiveness, teams that won things during Arsenal's trophy drought, so one could say they were successful. Not taking a dig at Arsenal, as I said I don't think Wenger deserved this, but claimin every former Arsenal player in the past few years failed is a very narrowminded view of things.
 
Reports suggesting that Nasri has said he wants to leave the club and a 22.2M pound deal has been agreed with City.
 
Athe~ said:
It may be easier but it's no certainty, mind. And most, if not all, of them, moved to teams that were on par or above Arsenal in terms of competitiveness, teams that won things during Arsenal's trophy drought, so one could say they were successful. Not taking a dig at Arsenal, as I said I don't think Wenger deserved this, but claimin every former Arsenal player in the past few years failed is a very narrowminded view of things.
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Cba to argue any further really but that's not what I'm saying. I didn't say EVERY player has failed, I said the MAJORITY of players who have left Arsenal - especially under difficult circumstances (transfer request etc.) - have not continued to have a successful career on a personal level; goals, performance level, appearances. Trophies largely irrelevant to my point; Henry won trophies at Barca. Would you say he was personally successful after that first season? Hleb the same - he wasn't even a benchwarmer.

Frank said:
Enrique,Izaguerre,Baines <- one of those please.
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Enrique most likely. Baines loyal to Everton, would cost £20m+

Sulsey said:
Reports suggesting that Nasri has said he wants to leave the club and a 22.2M pound deal has been agreed with City.
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Fake. Confirmed as fake by Tim Payton from the AST.

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This is BRILLIANT.

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CtPauley said:
Vieira won the Serie A every season he was in Italy although the first was stripped off him.
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yea, cuz he was under jose mourhino that time in Inter. ofcourse he would win something

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Joss said:
They haven't... Adebayor, Toure, Vieira, Hleb haven't. Henry did - but you would at Barca.
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how about Pires (french musketeer) when he went to Villareal ?
 
Joss said:
Cba to argue any further really but that's not what I'm saying. I didn't say EVERY player has failed, I said the MAJORITY of players who have left Arsenal - especially under difficult circumstances (transfer request etc.) - have not continued to have a successful career on a personal level; goals, performance level, appearances. Trophies largely irrelevant to my point; Henry won trophies at Barca. Would you say he was personally successful after that first season? Hleb the same - he wasn't even a benchwarmer.
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That depends on your definition of success, tbh. Anyways - we'll have to agree to disagree here.
 
Athe~ said:
That depends on your definition of success, tbh. Anyways - we'll have to agree to disagree here.
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OK.

But as I said - I mean on a personal level. Regardless of what they've won in terms of trophies, I think the majority of players to have left haven't improved as players/kept up the same performance level personally.
 
Squad list announced for Far East Tour

Arsenal Asia tour party is announced | News Archive | News | Arsenal.com

Arsenal squad:
Wojciech Szczesny
Vito Mannone
Sebastien Squillaci
Johan Djourou
Kieran Gibbs
Carl Jenkinson
Laurent Koscielny
Andrey Arshavin
Marouane Chamakh
Ryo Miyaichi
Armand Traore
Thomas Vermaelen
Bacary Sagna
Theo Walcott
Alex Song
Jack Wilshere
Tomas Rosicky
Denilson
Aaron Ramsey
Emmanuel Frimpong
Samir Nasri
Carlos Vela
Robin van Persie


*Cese is recovering from last season Hamstring injury. so is Eboue
**Gervhino deal is still not done (WTF!!!!)
 
Why is Denilson there?! He should be concentrating on finding a club to move to.
 
arghh, every club seems to get their transfer business done quickly.

De gea had his medical and contract terms agreed quickly
same with henderson
phil jones
ashley young
and the numerous players Sunderland have signed
Clichy

etc
etc
etc

While arsenal take about 2 weeks to sign 1 player while it takes the other clubs to sign 4 players in the same time span.
 
Iamahuman said:
arghh, every club seems to get their transfer business done quickly.

De gea had his medical and contract terms agreed quickly
same with henderson
phil jones
ashley young
and the numerous players Sunderland have signed
Clichy

etc
etc
etc

While arsenal take about 2 weeks to sign 1 player while it takes the other clubs to sign 4 players in the same time span.
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1. De Gea deal was done aaages ago. Not how Arsenal do business - De Gea was always going to be VdS' replacement for the long-term. They knew since the start of the year that he would be retiring and had been tracking De Gea for a long time.

2. Most players signed have been English - that's a different window. The main window opened less than a week ago - be patient!

3. Gervinho deal to be announced on Monday. He's passed a medical, fee agreed, but a hold-up in the paper-work. I think it's something to do with bonuses or something.

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Redrup said:
Why is Denilson there?! He should be concentrating on finding a club to move to.
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Clearly Arsenal haven't received an official, acceptable bid for him yet :(

Bendtner and Almunia not included because they seem to be talking to other clubs (so I'd assume Arsenal have accepted bids)

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Still got it:

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