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i'm sorry but where are your away fans when you play at home. you have some of the best away fans in the league probably on a par with us and liverpool but at home your fans are woeful at best, no one stands up etc. Why is this?
 
i'm sorry but where are your away fans when you play at home. you have some of the best away fans in the league probably on a par with us and liverpool but at home your fans are woeful at best, no one stands up etc. Why is this?

Some people same the same about ManU. It's well-known that football in England has become so commercial and expensive that home games are for the rich and the away games are where you'll see the real supporters.



The game showed how little depth Arsenal has. Traore could not play anywhere in any of the top 4 leagues. Jenkinson was decent going forward but very poor defensively. And Djorou...worst game he ever played. He was pretty good for them last season, I remember that from about midway through the season until the end they never lost in the league with him starting. I thought he was good enough to be Vermaelen's backup and he is a tall, strong CB, which Arsenal needs, but he can't play like that again if Arsenal wants to be in the top 4. I'm nervous about the CAM position as well. Is Ramsey really ready to step it up and replace Fabregas? I'm not so sure. He didn't look like it today.

More than anything Arsenal needs another DM, as I've been saying all along. This game proved it. What if none of their three (Song, Frimpong, Diaby) can play? They'll be absolutely screwed. ManU destroyed them through the middle because no one could win the ball there. If they get another DM, that frees up Wilshere to play as the CAM when Ramsey can't rather than sticking him at DM, where he doesn't belong. And it will free up Rosicky to play on the wing as a back-up for Walcott. AOC was nonexistent today and not ready for lots of Premiership minutes.

I'm now nervous about Arsenal's CB's as well. Djorou was just awful. And when Koscielny's hurt they need a technically gifted CB that can pass it out of the back well. I'm just not sure if Djorou, their tall and strong CB, can be a capable back-up for Vermaelen. Obviously they need another LB because Traore is **** and Gibbs is always injured.

Come on Arsene, please sign a DM and an LB. Sadly, I don't think they can get a CB. They definitely need a back-up for Koscielny, someone technically gifted. But they also have the problem of not strength and height back there as well. I don't think a player like Samba will work for them, as people are suggesting. A Vermaelen Samba partnership won't be able to pass the ball out of the back well enough, and a Djorou Samba partnership would be awful in that regard. Basically they need a CB that does both well enough for a top-level team, and there are few in the world that fit that description. Arsenal couldn't afford any of them, especially since they need to buy a DM and LB.

It's going to be awfully tough to stay in the top 4 this season. Arsenal has done very little wrong, but they simply can't compete with the spending of ManU, Chelsea, ManCity, and Liverpool. It's such a shame that a great club that does things the right way has to get punished for it. And that they get nothing but criticism as well.
 
Some people same the same about ManU. It's well-known that football in England has become so commercial and expensive that home games are for the rich and the away games are where you'll see the real supporters.



The game showed how little depth Arsenal has. Traore could not play anywhere in any of the top 4 leagues. Jenkinson was decent going forward but very poor defensively. And Djorou...worst game he ever played. He was pretty good for them last season, I remember that from about midway through the season until the end they never lost in the league with him starting. I thought he was good enough to be Vermaelen's backup and he is a tall, strong CB, which Arsenal needs, but he can't play like that again if Arsenal wants to be in the top 4. I'm nervous about the CAM position as well. Is Ramsey really ready to step it up and replace Fabregas? I'm not so sure. He didn't look like it today.

More than anything Arsenal needs another DM, as I've been saying all along. This game proved it. What if none of their three (Song, Frimpong, Diaby) can play? They'll be absolutely screwed. ManU destroyed them through the middle because no one could win the ball there. If they get another DM, that frees up Wilshere to play as the CAM when Ramsey can't rather than sticking him at DM, where he doesn't belong. And it will free up Rosicky to play on the wing as a back-up for Walcott. AOC was nonexistent today and not ready for lots of Premiership minutes.

I'm now nervous about Arsenal's CB's as well. Djorou was just awful. And when Koscielny's hurt they need a technically gifted CB that can pass it out of the back well. I'm just not sure if Djorou, their tall and strong CB, can be a capable back-up for Vermaelen. Obviously they need another LB because Traore is **** and Gibbs is always injured.

Come on Arsene, please sign a DM and an LB. Sadly, I don't think they can get a CB. They definitely need a back-up for Koscielny, someone technically gifted. But they also have the problem of not strength and height back there as well. I don't think a player like Samba will work for them, as people are suggesting. A Vermaelen Samba partnership won't be able to pass the ball out of the back well enough, and a Djorou Samba partnership would be awful in that regard. Basically they need a CB that does both well enough for a top-level team, and there are few in the world that fit that description. Arsenal couldn't afford any of them, especially since they need to buy a DM and LB.

It's going to be awfully tough to stay in the top 4 this season. Arsenal has done very little wrong, but they simply can't compete with the spending of ManU, Chelsea, ManCity, and Liverpool. It's such a shame that a great club that does things the right way has to get punished for it. And that they get nothing but criticism as well.


utterly disagree with this. And the notion that they are a poor club, they have the money, they always have had the money. Not necessarily be mega spenders, but enough to bring in a very high quality player each season, and they have a tonof money this window. Wenger is rightly criticised. Not even sure how you can say a club like United haven't done it the right way for one thing.

Arsenal have the money. Fact. Pick apart their quaterly results and you see this. Wenger has up to 80 million this window alone. He could have signed Jags/Cahill/Samba for 17million, Cissokho for 13 million, M'vila for 22million, and Mata for 18 million and covered their wages with the wage budget vacated by Nasri,Fabregas and Clichy. This was all achievable in July, instead the club chose not to "overpay" and haggled over the extra 4-5 million, and now it could cost them dearly in the long run
 
it's simple really we need CB a LB a CDM and a CAM not including Park Chu-Young even if you put out our strongest line up there are glaring holes in the team we need a CB to the standard of TV5 until we get that we wont ever be able to challenge the top teams in Europe or the Prem i would like Cahill as he fits the mould of our team he can pass he can shot and he can score from time to time also he can defend unlike what we have at the moment.

Also a LB is a must for me again Baines should be the number 1 choice he is in the top 4 LB's in the prem and i would love him at Arsenal because he can do everything we want him to do.

A CDM is also a must to partner song/ Frimpong M'vila has been linked and i think he might be needed i dont rate Diaby highly at all he just hasnt lived up to expectations he was meant to be the next Vieira but he hasnt even got close.

A CAM is a must me lost Nasri and Cesc so for me it's a toss up between Hazard and Gourcuff i mean it's not like we don't have the money
 
Theres only one person to blame here, thats the manager during the summer if he knew that Nasri/Fabregas was going to leave why not get rid of them as soon as possible instead of wasting the whole summer then letting them go at the start of the season where all the good players are already taken man im disgusted.

Honestly what player could possibly want to come to us now. Dont even think cahill wants to come now.
 
Don't know if it was already posted here, but I totaly agree with what Paul Merson said tonight:

“It is definitely the worst day for Arsene Wenger in charge and it is even the worst day for a long time in Arsenal’s history. Since I started there in 1984, I cannot remember much worse than what we have seen here. It was shocking, just shocking,” said the Sky Sports pundit.

“There are much lesser teams with much less talent than Arsenal who will come to Old Trafford this season and make it doubly as difficult as they did today.

“You have got to have tactics – you can’t just have a Plan A, you have to have a plan B. The way Wenger set up wasn’t good enough. You can’t put teams out all the time and just say ‘go and play the Arsenal way’ – that isn’t fair on the players.

“Don’t put those kinds of players on the pitch and make them like lambs to the slaughter – it’s not good enough. You have got to start looking at the manager now and asking questions.

“What is he thinking? I’m not joking, but a League Two could come here next Saturday and make it much more difficult for United than that.”

Merson was clearly infuriated by the display he had witnessed and said there was currently an extremely big gap between the two teams that is continuing to grow, rather than shorten, each year.

“I don’t know where we go from here,” he added. “You can sit here and talk about players who have to come back, Vermaelen, Song, Gervinho – you can name all the players but none of them would get in the United team, so how far are Arsenal now away from United? The gap is getting bigger and bigger.

“I always look at games and judge teams when you get the teamsheets and look at who would get in the other side. Today, Robin van Persie would probably get a game for United and maybe on his day Theo Walcott, but bar that I don’t see anyone, including the players who are out.

“You can’t keep on having wingers running at the full backs time after time with no protection, not to set up with protection for the young, inexperienced full-backs and to allow United just to open the game up was unbelievable.

“You are talking here about one of the best managers in world football, but I’m not quite seeing what many other people are seeing when it comes to that.

“The poor lad who got sent off, Jenkinson, at least he never hid and he was going all the time, but you can’t play a team like that and say to the opponents ‘you have a go then we’ll have a go’, because that’s what happens, it got really messy out there.

“I still wouldn’t sack Arsene Wenger, but now just to be competitive he has got to sign one, probably two centre-backs, a central midfielder and then another forward, which is so worrying as that’s the whole spine of the team and his recent tactics have to be questioned.”

 
actually man u not so excellent but arsenal not defending at all!!! so bye~bye arsenal...not CL next season... and hope not regulated this season
 
actually man u not so excellent but arsenal not defending at all!!! so bye~bye arsenal...not CL next season... and hope not regulated this season

Erm.....I think you'll find Man Utds youngsters put on a bit of a masterclass today poor defedning or not. There's a reason why for example Phil Jones is included in the England squad
 
it more like its the board fault for not living up too expectations. Ushmannov (sp) and that Lady (what ever her name is) said it right. its the boards fault for the 6 yr drought.
 
utterly disagree with this. And the notion that they are a poor club, they have the money, they always have had the money. Not necessarily be mega spenders, but enough to bring in a very high quality player each season, and they have a tonof money this window. Wenger is rightly criticised. Not even sure how you can say a club like United haven't done it the right way for one thing.

Arsenal have the money. Fact. Pick apart their quaterly results and you see this. Wenger has up to 80 million this window alone. He could have signed Jags/Cahill/Samba for 17million, Cissokho for 13 million, M'vila for 22million, and Mata for 18 million and covered their wages with the wage budget vacated by Nasri,Fabregas and Clichy. This was all achievable in July, instead the club chose not to "overpay" and haggled over the extra 4-5 million, and now it could cost them dearly in the long run

Totally agree ,wenger has the funds,if he doesn't want to spend it,thats too bad for him.just
Hope he won't use it as an excise for failure.Furthermore,I hope he won't use a the reason of 'young and cheap team' as an excuse for this season's failure.He is the manager,he havent won anything in 6 yrs,he should be blamed.he is the manager,if he chooses to sell his key players for a hefty profit ,thats his problem,but if he can't deliver success,he should go.Right now,Arsenal don't need almighty profits,they need a win first,then a trophy later.They need to restore that pride of theirs after a footballing lesson by Man U. Furthermore,if u take a look at Man u first 11.The total cost is around 140 mil.That's around 12 mil per player.I guess if success is worth that amt,then it's totally worth it.I would say the money spent is worth it.Look at Manchester CIty,Tevez and Balotelli cost around 60mil,true they are improving,but they didn't win the Ep,and was s far cry from Man U. I know Arsene Wenger likes to keep his reputation as a 'talent spotter' or 'shrewd signings manger' but it is obvious that his players arent performing.It's true that some arsenal pkayers were suspended/injured, but I m confident man U second team would have beaten them too(Anyway,Jones,Smalling,Evans,Cleverly,Anderson,Welbeck aren't exactly first team regulars yet) Man u have depth in reserves,that differentiates a good team and better one.For now and since 6 yrs ago ,Arsenal has been playing second fiddle to Manchester United.They need to lose the pride,spend the money,And save their ****-nal.
 
utterly disagree with this. And the notion that they are a poor club, they have the money, they always have had the money. Not necessarily be mega spenders, but enough to bring in a very high quality player each season, and they have a tonof money this window. Wenger is rightly criticised. Not even sure how you can say a club like United haven't done it the right way for one thing.

Arsenal have the money. Fact. Pick apart their quaterly results and you see this. Wenger has up to 80 million this window alone. He could have signed Jags/Cahill/Samba for 17million, Cissokho for 13 million, M'vila for 22million, and Mata for 18 million and covered their wages with the wage budget vacated by Nasri,Fabregas and Clichy. This was all achievable in July, instead the club chose not to "overpay" and haggled over the extra 4-5 million, and now it could cost them dearly in the long run

Where did I say ManU did anything wrong? I just said Arsenal does things right. They spend within their means, which is how teams should operate. ManU is a much bigger club with a much bigger revenue stream. They can spend more than Arsenal. Chelsea and ManCity simply live in fantasy land. Clubs should operate on a tight budget like Arsenal does. That's how they do in most leagues in the world and that's how they have for most of history. It's only in the past 10 years we've gotten these crazy transfer fees and out of control spending. When Arsenal has paid for the Emirates then they can go out and spend a decent amount of money. But they're not there yet. They're not nearly as wealthy as you think they are, they need to get themselves out of debt first. Just because others aren't

Sure Arsenal could go out and spend 80 million but it will only put them into debt which they don't want to do. I agree they should have done better with Mata but Chelsea simply would have matched Arsenal's bid and then given him much higher wages. Hopefully Wenger will get some players but they might not be able to afford it because no clubs will sell cheaply to Arsenal right now.



Oh and Merson's analysis wasn't good. It was overly sensationalist, for starters, saying it was the worst performance he'd ever seen (less than half the team were first teamers and they didn't even have a DM this game, they didn't have a chance to begin with, and when the score got bad they just gave up and then the score got worse). He criticized Wenger for his tactics and talked about the need for a Plan B but he didn't even specify what that meant...it's really become a talking point that no one has to back up. He also talked at half time about Arsenal playing too high a line but none of the goals were for that reason. The first goal was simply **** defending. The second was a stroke of brilliance by Ashley Young after an embarassing clearance by Traore (and the defense was defending deep at that point). The final goal before the half was from a free kick. I mean they were playing down and tried to play offensively, it's not like they'd sit with 10 men behind the ball after being down by two goals (which is what many teams do and why lower teams don't lose as badly, a part of his argument).

The pundits are annoying really and they just love picking on Wenger. He isn't perfect tactically and his only real flaw is valuing the long-term health of the club over short-term results too much...how is that such a bad thing in today's world of football????
 
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Cissokho, Cahill, Martin, and Park in. NOW.

Line up like this:

Sczezney
Sagna - Cahill/Kos - Vermaelen - Cissokho

Song

Wilshere Martin/Ramsey

Walcott Spamhead

RVP​
 
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Where did I say ManU did anything wrong? I just said Arsenal does things right. They spend within their means, which is how teams should operate. ManU is a much bigger club with a much bigger revenue stream. They can spend more than Arsenal. Chelsea and ManU simply live in fantasy land. Clubs should operate on a tight budget like Arsenal does. That's how they do in most leagues in the world and that's how they have for most of history. It's only in the past 10 years we've gotten these crazy transfer fees and out of control spending. When Arsenal has paid for the Emirates then they can go out and spend a decent amount of money. But they're not there yet. They're not nearly as wealthy as you think they are, they need to get themselves out of debt first. Just because others aren't

Sure Arsenal could go out and spend 80 million but it will only put them into debt which they don't want to do. I agree they should have done better with Mata but Chelsea simply would have matched Arsenal's bid and then given him much higher wages. Hopefully Wenger will get some players but they might not be able to afford it because no clubs will sell cheaply to Arsenal right now.



Oh and Merson's analysis wasn't good. It was overly sensationalist, for starters, saying it was the worst performance he'd ever seen (less than half the team were first teamers and they didn't even have a DM this game, they didn't have a chance to begin with, and when the score got bad they just gave up and then the score got worse). He criticized Wenger for his tactics and talked about the need for a Plan B but he didn't even specify what that meant...it's really become a talking point that no one has to back up. He also talked at half time about Arsenal playing too high a line but none of the goals were for that reason. The first goal was simply **** defending. The second was a stroke of brilliance by Ashley Young after an embarassing clearance by Traore (and the defense was defending deep at that point). The final goal before the half was from a free kick. I mean they were playing down and tried to play offensively, it's not like they'd sit with 10 men behind the ball after being down by two goals (which is what many teams do and why lower teams don't lose as badly, a part of his argument).

The pundits are annoying really and they just love picking on Wenger. He isn't perfect tactically and his only real flaw is valuing the long-term health of the club over short-term results too much...how is that such a bad thing in today's world of football????

simmer down mate.

what im worrying is hope its not racism or anything like xenophobia thats making them hate Wenger. they keep taking about bring in english players. ffs, i cant even do that in FM. lol

why dont the FA fire Capello after that embressing ramp by rival Germany. off topic. sry.

and also think that players like hazard or even mata before the 'blue move', were only interest to join arsenal only if they have a European finish. like champions league to say the least.
 
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Reason why Arsenal is not winning is bcos they are not spending. 6 yrs without a trophy??? Come on... Don't blame it on living within ur means and all this ****. If u wanna win,u gotta spend.the money that is earned to sell can be used to spend.Come on arsenal,cut the excuses,Buy some players and win a freaking trophy.Arsene Wenger,step aside...
 
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