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Reason why Arsenal is not winning is bcos they are not spending. 6 yrs without a trophy??? Come on... Don't blame it on living within ur means and all this ****. If u wanna win,u gotta spend.the money that is earned to sell can be used to spend.Come on arsenal,cut the excuses,Buy some players and win a freaking trophy.Arsene Wenger,step aside...

spot on. cesc is gone, the youth project failed. but wenger is too stubborn to admit it, too stubborn to change his policies. Wenger is in for a surprise if he expect fans to turn up in the cold wet months of november december and pay 50+ quid to see the diabolical defending and pedestrian attacking we've displayed since march. If he doesn't spend in the next 2 days, if the fans 6.5% ticket price rise is not reinvested in quality proven players our main income source will drastically reduce, and with no CL next year the financial model fails. Although they played well despite their inexperience, fans deserve more than seeing jenkinson, traore, miquel, coquelin etc. play in massive fixtures. There's no excuses for wenger this time.
 
Reason why Arsenal is not winning is bcos they are not spending. 6 yrs without a trophy??? Come on... Don't blame it on living within ur means and all this ****. If u wanna win,u gotta spend.the money that is earned to sell can be used to spend.Come on arsenal,cut the excuses,Buy some players and win a freaking trophy.Arsene Wenger,step aside...

They'll be able to be relatively big spenders once they've paid off their stadium. Do you want to see them go the way of Leeds?

spot on. cesc is gone, the youth project failed. but wenger is too stubborn to admit it, too stubborn to change his policies. Wenger is in for a surprise if he expect fans to turn up in the cold wet months of november december and pay 50+ quid to see the diabolical defending and pedestrian attacking we've displayed since march. If he doesn't spend in the next 2 days, if the fans 6.5% ticket price rise is not reinvested in quality proven players our main income source will drastically reduce, and with no CL next year the financial model fails. Although they played well despite their inexperience, fans deserve more than seeing jenkinson, traore, miquel, coquelin etc. play in massive fixtures. There's no excuses for wenger this time.

How was having to play those players his fault? Three players were missing from suspensions and many more were injured. He's still building the team and won't have to start players like Traore and Coquelin this season (once they finish the transfers). They simply had horrible luck. After having nothing but negative press and pressure they had an injury crisis and a suspension crisis at the beginning of the season when they had their hardest fixtures.

The press is having a field day with this one as expected. They really love to rip into Arsenal, and everyone is saying that this is the lowest point in their history, that their philosophy has been disproven, and that Wenger should be fired. Absolute nonsense...one point in three games and the season is all of the sudden over? The pundits and neutrals have been saying for years that Arsenal would fall out of the top 4 and they never did. If they do this year it's only because they couldn't compete in a league with 4 of the world's ten biggest spenders. There's nothing wrong with that considering their finances. I think they'll probably finish outside of the top 4 this season but if the FFP are reasonably enforced than ManCity and Chelsea will be kicked out of European competition in no time and Arsenal will replace them. In a few years their current crop of players will be great and they won't have to sell them because the stadium's debt will have been paid off. At that point they'll start dominating football.
 
So when the stadium's debt is paid off Arsenal could probably sold all their key players away already. Tell me how they are going to dominate football.
 
They'll be able to be relatively big spenders once they've paid off their stadium. Do you want to see them go the way of Leeds?

How was having to play those players his fault? Three players were missing from suspensions and many more were injured. He's still building the team and won't have to start players like Traore and Coquelin this season (once they finish the transfers). They simply had horrible luck. After having nothing but negative press and pressure they had an injury crisis and a suspension crisis at the beginning of the season when they had their hardest fixtures.

the club are completely on top of the loan repayments for the stadium and are operating on a huge profit. its a completely different scenario to leeds, you can't compare. there is nothing stopping the club from spending big but wenger and the board.

suspension crisis?? lol only arsenal fans can come up with **** like that. the suspensions are a direct result of playing inexperienced players with naive mentalities and a lack of squad discipline. As for injuries, Wenger has no excuse for not having sufficient squad depth. anyone could tell you that arsenal's squad can fall apart at any stage of the season, as it's happened for the last 5 years. injuries are always an excuse for wenger but he wouldn't need the excuse if he brought in quality depth, BEFORE the season starts -_-
 
Where did I say ManU did anything wrong? I just said Arsenal does things right. They spend within their means, which is how teams should operate.

I dont know why you put us in the same bracket as Chelsea and City. We have always spent within our means. We maintain healthy Wage to Gross revenue ration which is below 50%. Not gloating but United marketing and business model is the best in the world rivaled by Madrid.
 
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Where did I say ManU did anything wrong? I just said Arsenal does things right. They spend within their means, which is how teams should operate. ManU is a much bigger club with a much bigger revenue stream. They can spend more than Arsenal. Chelsea and ManCity simply live in fantasy land. Clubs should operate on a tight budget like Arsenal does. That's how they do in most leagues in the world and that's how they have for most of history. It's only in the past 10 years we've gotten these crazy transfer fees and out of control spending. When Arsenal has paid for the Emirates then they can go out and spend a decent amount of money. But they're not there yet. They're not nearly as wealthy as you think they are, they need to get themselves out of debt first. Just because others aren't

Sure Arsenal could go out and spend 80 million but it will only put them into debt which they don't want to do. I agree they should have done better with Mata but Chelsea simply would have matched Arsenal's bid and then given him much higher wages. Hopefully Wenger will get some players but they might not be able to afford it because no clubs will sell cheaply to Arsenal right now.



Oh and Merson's analysis wasn't good. It was overly sensationalist, for starters, saying it was the worst performance he'd ever seen (less than half the team were first teamers and they didn't even have a DM this game, they didn't have a chance to begin with, and when the score got bad they just gave up and then the score got worse). He criticized Wenger for his tactics and talked about the need for a Plan B but he didn't even specify what that meant...it's really become a talking point that no one has to back up. He also talked at half time about Arsenal playing too high a line but none of the goals were for that reason. The first goal was simply **** defending. The second was a stroke of brilliance by Ashley Young after an embarassing clearance by Traore (and the defense was defending deep at that point). The final goal before the half was from a free kick. I mean they were playing down and tried to play offensively, it's not like they'd sit with 10 men behind the ball after being down by two goals (which is what many teams do and why lower teams don't lose as badly, a part of his argument).

The pundits are annoying really and they just love picking on Wenger. He isn't perfect tactically and his only real flaw is valuing the long-term health of the club over short-term results too much...how is that such a bad thing in today's world of football????
Manchester United spend within their means, whats your point?

No No No, it would not put them in debt that is exactly my point. I applaud Wenger but he has utterly screwed up so far this window, and has very little time to put it right. They could spend that 80 million without damaging any of their financial status. Arsenal have really bollocks it up.

I can tell you what that plan B is, crossing the ball, getting men behind the ball, and then breaking on the counter,playing the percentage game. How he set up to play against us was suicidal. Gary Neville was spot on with his damning assessment of the game, and he is a staunch supporter of Wenger, despite being a manc (first thing he said is that is that it'd be crazy to get rid of him) The defence was all over the place, no organsiation. Forget plan B he didnt even send them out with plan A.

The free kicks game from defensive errors after being caught out on the high line, Jenkinson was sent off because the of the disastruos high line, park and nani's goals game from the high line
 
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We need:

LB
CM(Creative)
CB
DM
ST

In that order. Any less and it's not good enough.
 
We need:

LB
CM(Creative)
CB
DM
ST

In that order. Any less and it's not good enough.

I'd put CB above LB, if Djourou cant be relied on to lead the line if TV5 is out... well you saw anyway
 
I'd put CB above LB, if Djourou cant be relied on to lead the line if TV5 is out... well you saw anyway

LB is the biggest priority. Traore doesn't deserve to wear the shirt. Gibbs gets injured every time he touches a ball. We need a LB urgently. I agree though, DJ is terrible and shouldn't be anywhere near the starting line up.

The only way we will beat Swansea is if they fall asleep after we have passed it sideways for 85 minutes.
 
LB is the biggest priority. Traore doesn't deserve to wear the shirt. Gibbs gets injured every time he touches a ball. We need a LB urgently. I agree though, DJ is terrible and shouldn't be anywhere near the starting line up.

The only way we will beat Swansea is if they fall asleep after we have passed it sideways for 85 minutes.

Jenkinson isnt that bad, what he was though, was badly exposed by Djourou. Agreed Traore isnt good enough, nt sure what Arsene was thinking not replacing Clichy
 
Not to mention his tactics are inept. We are not Barcelona. RVP is constantly dropping off leaving nobody in the box for the cross that is almost certain to be crossed in to no-body. Arshavin is just poor. Ramsey isn't good enough yet and is forever passing sideways or backwards even when in acres of space. Rosicky is just poor too.

Man City's formation was what we should be doing. You had Barry and Yaya sitting, allowing for the two wingers (Nasri,Silva) to push on forward to help out with Dzeko and Aguero. Worked perfectly and was extremely effective. Yet we sill try to play with wide forwards who don't back-track leaving or FB's completely exposed. A high-line that lets us down on a regular basis. Without a proper DM who can cover the back four.

Frustrating.

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LB is now certainly above CB. Thank god for that, he's useless.

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Jenkinson isnt that bad, what he was though, was badly exposed by Djourou. Agreed Traore isnt good enough, nt sure what Arsene was thinking not replacing Clichy

Jenkinson is not ready to play in the league. He needs time but Wenger had no choice but to throw him in the deep end.

Traore is not a LB. Never will be. Wenger should try to play him as LW like Bale played. Well at least he could take a chance before selling him.
 
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That's the third choice captain.

Disgraceful.
 
8-2 or 1-0 its only 3 points lost ,with the amount of stuff that has gone on with nasri+cesc and all the injurys and suspensions we were always going to get tonked by 3 or more how many people thought we were going to come away from that game with anything even with a full squad how many teams in the prem are going to win at old trafford ?
Don`t get me wrong we need experinced players asap samba cahill both are needed we need to spend big on a replacements for cesc and clichy , i don`t know much about this south koreon player we are about to sign but i don`t expext much from him!
The issues i have is how have people like cesc, nasri,clichy been allowed to leave and not been replaced and why spend 12mill on alex and not play him? we need players that can play in this league now not in years to come and as for jenkinson he is a good player but not at the level of the prem not by a long shoot, the only + i can take from the season so far is walcott seems to be playing out of his skin it could just be that all the rest are that bad .lol sorry for the spelling not my strong point.
 
You mean Rosicky just not giving a ****, not jumping, and walking towards the half way line? Yeah. Half the team couldn't give a ****.
 
Had been saying that Arsenal needs a DM and a LB more than anything else but had been brushed off by the Arsenal fans claiming that they have adequate cover. Guess this issue had been brutally exposed by Man Utd.

Best transfer deals that Arsenal can do (deals that are possible) within these 3 days would be M'Vila, De Rossi, Cahill and Cissokho. 0 chance of any more than 2 of them being completed though.
 
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