But if they don't get Sanchez, they'll go for Rossi. I think he'll end up at Barca, but the constant false reports of him leaving Chile's Training Camp etc. is blatantly Barca PR Spin.
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But if they don't get Sanchez, they'll go for Rossi. I think he'll end up at Barca, but the constant false reports of him leaving Chile's Training Camp etc. is blatantly Barca PR Spin.
Agreed. Sky Sports(Take it what you will) have announced that "Serie A side Udinese say a deal is now '80 per cent done' for Chilean winger Alexis Sanchez to join Barcelona, which looks sure to disappoint Manchester rivals City and United."
It's talkshit, but o well.
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Can see him going to Chelsea should ABV go there. Would love too see him at Arsenal though, 26M? Maybe.
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Apparently Cesc is disappointed in Rosell claiming that his value had gone down this summer
lol its kinda true... he hardly had a brilliant season and was injured for some time also if I am not wrong
Fernando Torres had a bollocks season and you paid £50M for him. Andy Carroll was largely untested in the Premier-League and Liverpool paid £35M for him. Fabregas had a decent season - the injuries (and being expected to score another 20 goals by everyone) held him back. Of course they did, but he didn't have a BAD season by any means. The stats tell you that - we've had this discussion before, though with Godcubed (I think) saying pretty much the same thing as me and providing stats to back-up his argument.
Rossell is just being a ****-head. If he wants to offer less than the paltry £35M he offered last season, he can go right ahead, but he can't then complain (which he has done) when we reject it. Find another target, pay the asking price, or SHUT THE **** UP.
Talking of Cesc:
"Cesc Fabregas completed 38 successful through balls in the 2010-11 Premier League, 15 more than the next highest in the whole division."
He never said he wasnt valued 35million, Maybe just maybe Alcaraz thinks Fabregas is worth more, but not as much as last year...
OK then - what about Torres? Had a bollocks season, and yet Chelsea splashed out far more than he was worth at the time. The point Rossell is making is that he's now worth LESS than £35m, so by Alcaraz saying he has a point, then he clearly agrees. That means he's worth less than Carroll, and less than Torres - comparatively, if Cesc had a bad season, how do we describe Torres' season? Non-existent?
No, He never even mentioned Torres or Carrol, That was you, trying to be smart.
The point remains Fabs value has decreased in his opinion and mine, He never put a value on him, Your presuming everything here.
Personally i think Arsenal had a right to demand 60 for Fab last year, not i say Closer to 50. Does that make me wrong.
All Rossell said was that Fabregas value has gone down which is true as he had a decidedly average season and he did not help Arsenal win anything btw having completed 38 through balls does not make u a great player by any chance so thats really u trying to fish out stats from nowhere
22 starts, 8 goals, 11 assists. So Fabregas has assisted or scored 19 goals in the season. That is brilliant. Enough of this **** about Fabregas not having performed well, he was good, maybe not his best but good. That's hardly surprising considering him having to adapt to a new position and being hit by injuries.
Rosell can say all his wants, but Fabregas' value doesn't exist. It will exist when Wenger sets a price for him, but as of it it hasn't increased or decreased because it doesn't exist.
And having 15 more completed through balls than any other in the division marks you out as rather special.
That is brilliant, but Nani having 27 is considered good by Many. LOL.
I am not saying Fabregas did not do well, All I am saying was that he was not brilliant which is fair enough
Btw I hold my stance, maybe he did deliver more through balls than everyone else but then you would have to look at the role and freedom he has been given and also maybe Wengers tactics encourage strikers to run onto balls while other teams dont.... and realistically there is hardly a more creative and Xavi-type midfielder than him in the PLM
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Although I agree with parts of the arguement from both sides (that Fabregas had a good season, not as good as he can, value probably dropped slightly), using stats like that can be misleading sometimes. The way Arsenal play, with lots of penetrative through balls and the majority of play going through Fabregas, that sort of stat could be expected. He's a fantastic, young player though, easily worth more than the figures being branded around at the minute imo
They could not buy Sanchez and be able to afford him.
I would say 45M Euros isn't enough, but that's just me, I guess.
I'm not trying to be smart at all. I'm using other examples to say that a player's value doesn't necessarily decrease when he's had an off-season (which, as proven by GC - didn't REALLY happen. Not as good as previous ones, but still pretty good).
The point I'm making is that Sandro Rossell HAS put a value on him. He bid £35m last season, and now says Cesc is worth less than that. Thus Alcaraz either didn't do his homework, or agrees that he's worth less than that £35m.
Again - that's not what he said. He's said that he bid £35m/€40M last season, and that Cesc is worth less than that now, which is **** as proved IMO by the examples I've used. The market is inflated massively - especially for English players, but generally as well (Torres going for only £10m less than Kaka went to Madrid for). Him trying to get Cesc for less than that is ridiculous.
And I wasn't fishing out stats from nowhere. I didn't use the stat I posted to back-up my argument at all. I just found in interesting an posted it as a side-point, because it is impressive. If I wanted to research the stats to back up my argument I would have done this:
LOL. Our football is hardly direct - we tiki-taka around the box for 20 minutes and then lose it. If anything, players like Hernandez and Torres encourage more through balls than Robin van Persie.
And there's plenty of creative players in the league: Silva, Rooney (as a #10), Giggs, Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Wilshere to name a few obvious ones.
They could not buy Sanchez and be able to afford him.
But they want a striker, so unless they pull out of the Sanchez deal and sell Villa, they won't have enough money because Rossi appears to be their 2nd choice.
Did do his homework? This is a forum, he is simply saying a belief.....
Fabreags Value has gone down in many peoples opinions, ( mine included)
Torres being brought for 50million and Carrol being brought for 35 has nothing to do with Fabregas.
I was using league figures. Nani has 23 goals or assists in the league from 9 more starts than Fabregas. Taking into account that Nani has played in a better team, and my revised figures (read the wrong column. 14 goals or assists in 22 starts, still better than one every other game) yeah Nani did better, but Fabregas was still excellent.
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Kinda does because if there has been inflation in the market, then everone's value theoretically rises. So despite Fabregas not playing as well this season as last, his value is probably around the same as it was last year.