considering after that Munich crash, they lost some key players. good S. bobby chalton survived.
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considering after that Munich crash, they lost some key players. good S. bobby chalton survived.
Dont get me wrong tho guys, Wenger definetly has the quality to bring back success to the Emirates next season and turn their fortunes around so if that happens you can come back and slate me big time on this thread but I am just expressing my opinion
I was just explaining why Wenger hasn't won a trophy in 6 years, and why he shouldn't be sacked. Because sacking managers gets you nowhere a lot of the time.
And suggesting that 6 years isn't an especially long time when compared to other clubs, and when considering the plan, and his previous achievements. I'm happy to be patient for long-term success - whether that means we don't win anything for the next 2 years but then dominate the league for a long time after that, with a self-sustaining business model which has been partly implemented by Wenger and a strategy which sees us produce talented youth players rather than spend our way to short term success.
My point was completely valid in the "Is Wenger a great manager?" debate. Answer is quite simply yes, and I think these 6 years, however frustrating for the fans, will be a small price to pay if it means Wenger's policy has set us up for longer-term success than Chelsea's model of "Win a trophy or close the door on your way out"
And suggesting that 6 years isn't an especially long time when compared to other clubs, and when considering the plan, and his previous achievements. I'm happy to be patient for long-term success - whether that means we don't win anything for the next 2 years but then dominate the league for a long time after that, with a self-sustaining business model which has been partly implemented by Wenger and a strategy which sees us produce talented youth players rather than spend our way to short term success.
My point was completely valid in the "Is Wenger a great manager?" debate. Answer is quite simply yes, and I think these 6 years, however frustrating for the fans, will be a small price to pay if it means Wenger's policy has set us up for longer-term success than Chelsea's model of "Win a trophy or close the door on your way out"
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his strength for using both left and right legs is incredible. Ashavins Playground, Anfield. 
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u really like looking at the Sun
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u really like looking at the Sun
his strength for using both left and right legs is incredible. Ashavins Playground, Anfield.
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u really like looking at the Sun
It's the paper that people leave in the canteen at work. Therefore I read it and sometimes look through it on-line.
In all honesty, I have no idea why I'm trying to explain myself.
Yeah, I'd quit whilst I was... well, you're not so much behind as five miles back and wallowing iin a pit of lava in this case.
Yeah, I'd quit whilst I was... well, you're not so much behind as five miles back and wallowing iin a pit of lava in this case.
As I have no effort to think of a witty comeback to belittle you into the size of an ant's egg. I will just sit here and laugh at your poor attempt at spelling the word "iin".
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I mean, let's face it, nothing is as amazing as this.
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Actually, my attempt at spelling THAT word was perfect, I think you'll find!
True. I was too distracted by that ladies 102ZZZ ***** to notice what I was rambling on about.
Point is Wenger is a great manager, one of the greatest in Premier league era. He had 6 year drought where he lost the core of his team that won the league and the cup double. So he had to rebuild, instead of buying expensive players and pile up more debt, he relied on bringing youth players which need time to come into fruition.
Sadly his policy maybe wrong as the youth who are now **** good players may want to leave for silverware somewhere else. But the point is while judging Wenger you are **** bent of bringing up 6 year drought while easily forgetting his 10 years at Arsenal before that where he won something like 13 trophies..
Arshavin is the definition of a luxury player. Fantastic when he's on form, but far too inconsistent and lazy to ever be considered one of the best. Divides opinion and on some days it seems that £15m was an absolute bargain, while on others it was a massive rip off.
That goal against Birmingham is one of my favourites in that video - excellent skill to be up against two defenders and just take the smallest touch to the right and put an inch perfect finish into the bottom corner.
That goal against Birmingham is one of my favourites in that video - excellent skill to be up against two defenders and just take the smallest touch to the right and put an inch perfect finish into the bottom corner.
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Wenger is building for future sucess. He may not have won anything for 6 years, but in 3 years time if he can keep the bulk of his team, he could have 5 years of winning alot.
I dont see what Arsenal would gain from replacing him really
I dont see what Arsenal would gain from replacing him really
aye I am **** bent on that issue cos thats the main point my friend, when you have a team capable of winning the PLM, its shocking that you cant win one cup in 6 years whilst you are under one manager throughout so the general excuse that the team has to adapt to the manager is completely invaild
And SAF also has lost the core of his team many times, remember how the likes of Ronaldo and Tevez left in one season and he did not spend and yet he manages to win trophies year after year, if not the PLM its the FA Cup or the League Cup...I still could not believe that they fought Chelsea right up till the season after they lost Ronaldd and came within a point of taking the title and they won the League Cup too and I am sure most of us would agree that Ronaldo was the most important player in the United team at that time yet Fergie still managed to pull through
Whilst Weneger still has not lost quality players like Fabregas and RVP but it will be interesting to see how Arsenal do next season if Fabregas moves to Barcelona this summer and tbh Sunil in the last 3-4 years he has hardly been forced to sell key players, contradictory to the fact he has brought in players such as Chamakh, Nasri and Arshavin yet the trophy drought continues.... I thought 3 years would have been enough for Arsenal to gel and move on without the likes of Viera, Henry etc.
You didn't answer my one question. According to you who all are great managers other than SAF, Jose, Carlo.? If according to you only these are top managers and others are level below then I can understand your point of view.
And also SAF is one off, you just cant bring his name everytime. We are lucky to have him. Not that to be a great manager you should like SAF, if so there will be very few in the history of the game.
Jose era started when ManUtd and Arsenal lost their key players and were in transition and no clubs were near Chelsea level for 2 years and then from 2006-07 season to 2008-09 we were amazing. To put it in simple words, Wenger team was not the best in 6 years and there were ManUtd, Chelsea better than Arsenal all seasons..
Man Utd continued to succeed when they lost Ronaldo and co. because
a) They had an experienced base to work with; players like Giggs, VdS, Scholes, Neville, Ferdinand were all experienced and in most cases; at their peak. You could say Arsenal had that in Vieira, Henry, Pires etc. but the fact is that Wenger timed all of those departures (bar perhaps Henry, whose value fell after a relatively disappointing final season and yet had an excellent first season at Barca) to perfection. Vieira got relegated, Pires fell away, Gilberto went to Greece, Keown to MOTD etc. For one reason or another, the majority of them weren't able to continue playing at the level they had been, so Wenger moved them on in favour of a 10 year plan focused on Youth Development and long term success.
b) They spent cash Wenger hasn't had available. Unfortunately, it isn't Football Manager, it's real life. You don't get £150M every time you win something. We moved into a 60,000 seater stadium, reliant on gate receipts and selling the Highbury Flats. We simply didn't have that sort of money to compete with Chelsea and City.
THAT'S why we haven't won anything in 6 years.
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a) They had an experienced base to work with; players like Giggs, VdS, Scholes, Neville, Ferdinand were all experienced and in most cases; at their peak. You could say Arsenal had that in Vieira, Henry, Pires etc. but the fact is that Wenger timed all of those departures (bar perhaps Henry, whose value fell after a relatively disappointing final season and yet had an excellent first season at Barca) to perfection. Vieira got relegated, Pires fell away, Gilberto went to Greece, Keown to MOTD etc. For one reason or another, the majority of them weren't able to continue playing at the level they had been, so Wenger moved them on in favour of a 10 year plan focused on Youth Development and long term success.
b) They spent cash Wenger hasn't had available. Unfortunately, it isn't Football Manager, it's real life. You don't get £150M every time you win something. We moved into a 60,000 seater stadium, reliant on gate receipts and selling the Highbury Flats. We simply didn't have that sort of money to compete with Chelsea and City.
THAT'S why we haven't won anything in 6 years.
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Brilliant 125th Anniversary Video:
[video=youtube;3INgXL12Qto]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3INgXL12Qto[/video]
So techinically speaking you are basically saying that even though you have had a squad capable of winning the title you have not done so for the past how many ever years as you dont have a solid experienced line-up to fall back on... well Wenger has had 12 transfer windows to correct that and I very much doubt you guys have literally no money to spend tbh, you may not be able to spend as much as Chelsea or City do but I am sure you do have cash in hand to buy quality players and then there is the great lure of Arsenal Football Club itself
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I only remember saying SAF was a great manager and very few people can be considered great managers... Mourinho is a great manager considering he took FC Porto to the CL Title, Inter Milan to a Treble, Chelsea to back-to-back Premiere League titles and I am sure if he stayed on he would have conquered Europe too and he took Real Madrid to the Kings Cup beating the supposedly 'best ever side this world has ever seen' in a one-off game and according to me also should have beaten them in the CL Semi-Finals this season
You can argue that he had cash to spend but that does not make his achievements any less impressive, u still need to bring players together and form a team
To me in this modern era there are very few managers I would call great... SAF and Mourinho will reside at the top of my list