It does, Inflation.
Did do his homework? This is a forum, he is simply saying a belief.....
Fabreags Value has gone down in many peoples opinions, ( mine included)
Torres being brought for 50million and Carrol being brought for 35 has nothing to do with Fabregas.
I was using league figures. Nani has 23 goals or assists in the league from 9 more starts than Fabregas. Taking into account that Nani has played in a better team, and my revised figures (read the wrong column. 14 goals or assists in 22 starts, still better than one every other game) yeah Nani did better, but Fabregas was still excellent.
Kinda does because if there has been inflation in the market, then everone's value theoretically rises. So despite Fabregas not playing as well this season as last, his value is probably around the same as it was last year.
It does, Inflation.
Did do his homework? This is a forum, he is simply saying a belief.....
Fabreags Value has gone down in many peoples opinions, ( mine included)
Torres being brought for 50million and Carrol being brought for 35 has nothing to do with Fabregas.
Inflation... Not every player is inflated. A player is only worth as much as someone will pay.
Jesus. It's a figure of speech - he stated a belief that he agreed with Rossell, I pointed out that Rossell's belief was that Cesc was worth less than what HE BID last year, which was £35m, and therefore he's saying he agrees that Cesc is worth less than that. All I'm saying is that had he looked at the context of my post, rather than taking it on its own, he would have seen (with a 2 second google search) that SR said Cesc was worth less this year than the bid he made last season.
The argument that he's gone down in value is a whole 'nother can of beans but one which I've also responded to - one "off" season doesn't always mean a decrease in market value, as seen by the transfer of Fernando Torres. As has been explained by GC, his season really wasn't as bad as people are making out - I know no one is suggesting he was bad (although Alcaraz's original comment about it being "hardly brilliant" seemed to me, to be a suggestion that he had a disappointing season), but failing to score 20 goals from midfield from a new position when you've done it the previous year from a different position doesn't equate to a significant drop in performance levels.
Andy Carroll's transfer has everything to do with Fabregas. Rossell is stating that Fabregas is worth less than what LFC paid to bring Carroll to Anfield.
Wrong again, I'm afraid. A player is only worth what the selling club is willing to let him go for. Actually - that's harsh. You're not entirely wrong, but you're wrong here. Wenger is able to use the inflated market to bump up the asking price for Fabregas. It's not "how much are Barca willing to pay", as much as "how much are Arsenal willing to hold out for".
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EDIT: Sorry about closing the thread by the way. It was either Mike. or me by accident.
i know it is a figure of speech... He doesnt need to research every little detail before he makes a statement, which evidently has no facts in it.. He is stating an opinion.
First, You dont know my reasons for him going down in Value.. I never once said or implied it was because he had a "off" Season.
I think he has gone down in value, as Arsenal are in a weaker position in terms of finish and quality then they where 12 months ago, Players are getting restless( Nasri, Clichy) They finished 4th, and it doesnt take a genius to work out that, Liverpool and Spurs are going to chase them hard this season( If Spurs can hold onto there key players that is). Fabregas has had an injury blighted year, Only making 22 starts, which without a full season, means he value must drop as well. And Barca hardly are in desperate need to sign him, Which means his value to them in hardly an important issue.
Carrol is independent.
i know it is a figure of speech... He doesnt need to research every little detail before he makes a statement, which evidently has no facts in it.. He is stating an opinion.
First, You dont know my reasons for him going down in Value.. I never once said or implied it was because he had a "off" Season.
I think he has gone down in value, as Arsenal are in a weaker position in terms of finish and quality then they where 12 months ago, Players are getting restless( Nasri, Clichy) They finished 4th, and it doesnt take a genius to work out that, Liverpool and Spurs are going to chase them hard this season( If Spurs can hold onto there key players that is). Fabregas has had an injury blighted year, Only making 22 starts, which without a full season, means he value must drop as well. And Barca hardly are in desperate need to sign him, Which means his value to them in hardly an important issue.
Carrol is independent.
i know it is a figure of speech... He doesnt need to research every little detail before he makes a statement, which evidently has no facts in it.. He is stating an opinion.
First, You dont know my reasons for him going down in Value.. I never once said or implied it was because he had a "off" Season.
I think he has gone down in value, as Arsenal are in a weaker position in terms of finish and quality then they where 12 months ago, Players are getting restless( Nasri, Clichy) They finished 4th, and it doesnt take a genius to work out that, Liverpool and Spurs are going to chase them hard this season( If Spurs can hold onto there key players that is). Fabregas has had an injury blighted year, Only making 22 starts, which without a full season, means he value must drop as well. And Barca hardly are in desperate need to sign him, Which means his value to them in hardly an important issue.
Carrol is independent.
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Nope.. In all forms of life, a object/sale is only what the buyer will pay.. Wenger can ask for a certain amount, and asking price, but his Value will also be woteva the highest bidder whats to pay.
i know it is a figure of speech... He doesnt need to research every little detail before he makes a statement, which evidently has no facts in it.. He is stating an opinion.
First, You dont know my reasons for him going down in Value.. I never once said or implied it was because he had a "off" Season.
I think he has gone down in value, as Arsenal are in a weaker position in terms of finish and quality then they where 12 months ago, Players are getting restless( Nasri, Clichy) They finished 4th, and it doesnt take a genius to work out that, Liverpool and Spurs are going to chase them hard this season( If Spurs can hold onto there key players that is). Fabregas has had an injury blighted year, Only making 22 starts, which without a full season, means he value must drop as well. And Barca hardly are in desperate need to sign him, Which means his value to them in hardly an important issue.
Carrol is independent.
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Nope.. In all forms of life, a object/sale is only what the buyer will pay.. Wenger can ask for a certain amount, and asking price, but his Value will also be woteva the highest bidder whats to pay.
Prices in the same market are reflective of products around them. Theoretically, yes it is independent, but this price has an effect on the pricing within the same market. Bad example, but if you were selling a patch of land 10 x 10. Your asking price was £10. If some-one paid £20 for a similair patch of land you are going to increase your price, correct?
In essence, it's the same with Transfers. (Ish)
But another slant is.
Your Morrison and you selling Petrol for £1.35 and Asda is selling fo £1.32, you would drop you price to attract customers...
Basically, It works both ways, He may be saying Fabregas is worth less then he bidded last year, and your saying Well Carroll went for that much.. And Fabregas is better. so he must be worth more, and i am saying well Chicarito went for 6, So he is saying Fabregas is worth at least 5 times Chicarito. Which implies to the logic, Fab is worth more as he is better. That Fab is 5 times the player Chicarito...
I am not saying Fabregas is worth less then 35million, All i am saying here, is that transfers are independednt of each other
Not sure what the situations of Nasri and Clichy (who, er - aren't really "restless" as much as wanting a bit of cash and wanting a change respectively) have to do with Fabregas' value. His injuries this year held him back, but doesn't necessarily mean his value should go down. If anything, it makes the stats posted by GC all the more impressive and show what a quality player he is. He's hardly 'injury prone' compared to some players, so I'm still not convinced that should be taken into account in terms of decreased value.
Despite Arsenal's league position, we're in a strong financial position - that, and Fabregas' comments the other day (if we're to believe him, of course) mean that we're under no pressure to sell. Regarding your last point, it's completely the opposite - their desperate attempts to tap him up through the media are only going to make Arsenal more reluctant to sell to them and force his value - according to Arsenal which is what matters in the end - up.
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Anyway - as nice as it was talking with you ladies, I really must do some work.
Hasta luego! (Google it)
And the buyer can't buy it if no one will supply at his price. Suppliers and buyers go hand in hand. He's on a long term deal, he's under no pressure to sell him at all. If Barca won't pay it, Arsene keeps his player so it's in Arsenals hands.
Not in this case. Yes, you have to get a buyer to pay for what you are selling. But if you do not need to sell what you are selling for a knock-down price, why sell it?
If my finances were under control and making a profit, if I had a piece of antique furniture that I thought was worth X, I'm in no rush to sell this. Why sell it for less than it's value?
No, you have contradicted yourself. Your argument is that Caroll is independent. (Stating that other transfers are in independant of each other).
According to your argument, surely Asda dropping their prices by X amount should not reflect what Morrisons do to there prices as is independent?
Good example, though, I work at Morrisons.
I never said i agree with that, Just put another Slant on your views( Maybe not yours, but tht was the argument) on Fabregas value in correlation to Carroll. In Comparing him to Bargains.
Hernandez was bought for 6 Million and had a good season therefore his price has increased + inflation(Which is my argument). Inflation is apparent with everything, as I have said, which you disregarded. Even if Hernandez had a season where he showed no correspondence for his price going up. Inflation would take this price up. Obviously a poor season would mean this price would go down, but not as much, due to inflation.
This being said, Inflation on players is difficult, but is still there in terms of costs rising and players pricing in that market.
Scott - he's also one year closer to his peak.