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Who would be a normal striker now though? Berbatov? Demba Ba was a normal striker, he doesn't exactly inspite stuff.. I still feel Chelsea should have (or atleast, even now) tried to bring in Didier Drogba. He's still mean in front of goal, works well with Jose Mourinho, can play easily for a year or more, and in that much time, Lukaku would have matured enough to be the lone striker for Chelsea..

Any other young-ish striker in probably means Lukaku won't get much time, which would be a shame, because he's playing pretty good. Since Lukaku isn't playing for Chelsea, I'd totally forgotten about him earlier >.<
 
I still feel, no matter what, we won't be selling Rooney to a Premier League rival. Maybe let him go on a free transfer, but no way should we be selling to them.
 
I still feel, no matter what, we won't be selling Rooney to a Premier League rival. Maybe let him go on a free transfer, but no way should we be selling to them.

Idk if it's possible but I heard that he can potentially decide to buy out his last year of contract ... Again I have no idea about the legalities involved in such a move so I don't know if its even possible
 
Idk if it's possible but I heard that he can potentially decide to buy out his last year of contract ... Again I have no idea about the legalities involved in such a move so I don't know if its even possible

I don't even know if such a move is possible.. But I highly doubt he'd go to that extent.
 
Idk if it's possible but I heard that he can potentially decide to buy out his last year of contract ... Again I have no idea about the legalities involved in such a move so I don't know if its even possible

Clubs have gentlemen agreement not to invoke that and that's the reason you rarely see that clause being used in PL at least.
 
I don't even know if such a move is possible.. But I highly doubt he'd go to that extent.

You can never tell, if United dont qualify for the CL... Rooney is 29 and knows he doesn't have much time left at the top. He has enough money as it is and may decide to make one last move and seek a new challenge
 
Clubs have gentlemen agreement not to invoke that and that's the reason you rarely see that clause being used in PL at least.

Gentleman's agreement? The same one that Levy had with Modric which said that Modric could leave if a CL club bid for him 2-3 summers ago? Yeah we saw how that worked out ... Anywys I doubt Rooney will leave United because United will probably qualify for the CL imo
 
Gentleman's agreement? The same one that Levy had with Modric which said that Modric could leave if a CL club bid for him 2-3 summers ago? Yeah we saw how that worked out ... Anywys I doubt Rooney will leave United because United will probably qualify for the CL imo

There is a difference between "gentlemen agreement between all the clubs" and between 2 persons when you don't know what was the promise made in person. And you know what was the promise between Levy and Modric because you were there when they made it? or was it written in contract? Taking sides that suits your club needs.
 
Can't know anything for sure but considering that Torres and Eto'o aren't in the top three for goals scored for the club in the league is pretty telling, 6 between them 20 games into the season is pretty dire for a top four club.
With Schurrle and Willian spending half their time starting on the bench it's fairly safe to assume a top quality forward would add a fair bit to the team.

Torres scores every 1.7 games this season in the Premier League, the same ratio as Giroud, there is NO problem! You keep going on as if its a major problem when the facts are we are 2 points off the lead and been a club who has not had run away goal scoring striker for a while now yet won titles along the way. I think you'll find every area of our team chip in with a healthy amount of goals and one certain player has improved/will improve on his tally massively. Hazard last season 9 league goals this season 8 already so should easily reach 15 goals. The lack of striker goals will become a problem when Chelsea stop becoming a threat.

Justified spending 50mil on two players that haven't started half your games in positions you had strength in though.

Willian looks to be an excellent signing and Schurrle is a young lad and will only improve. You forget we have 3 attacking midfield positions so need more players for them positions than the striker one.
 
For a billionth time, Rooney will not be sold to Chelsea. Forget all that fantasy ****, NOT HAPPENING.
 
Pogba and Jackson Martinez = title

Yeah, no. Jos? Mourinho isn't going to sign big names like you want to win it. He's building a team with a system. Jackson Martinez would become anonymous in our current system, if you've bothered to notice. Pogba is 21, so if we pay buttload for him, he'll be here for years. That means there won't be a place for Nathan Ake, Nathaniel Chalobah, Lewis Baker, Ruben Lotus Cheek, Charly Musonda. Out of all these a couple are bound to make it to first team. That's why Guarin, 27 y/o with all around skillet.

I'm literally sick of people wanting big names, be it midfield or Striker. Without any tactics sense at times.

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Torres scores every 1.7 games this season in the Premier League, the same ratio as Giroud, there is NO problem! You keep going on as if its a major problem when the facts are we are 2 points off the lead and been a club who has not had run away goal scoring striker for a while now yet won titles along the way. I think you'll find every area of our team chip in with a healthy amount of goals and one certain player has improved/will improve on his tally massively. Hazard last season 9 league goals this season 8 already so should easily reach 15 goals. The lack of striker goals will become a problem when Chelsea stop becoming a threat.



Willian looks to be an excellent signing and Schurrle is a young lad and will only improve. You forget we have 3 attacking midfield positions so need more players for them positions than the striker one.
None of your strikers have scored away (at least that was true a week or so ago) all season. That speaks volumes really - something like that would be unacceptable for Sunderland, never mind Chelsea. You have the worst goal difference in the Top 4, and you have also scored the least. Your top scorer is the joint-6th highest top scorer in the league, and your highest-scoring strikers have scored less than Jay Rodriguez, Gouffran, Hooper, Coleman and Charlie Adam. Need I go on? Oh, and that comparison with Giroud isn't really valid because Giroud has started/played a lot more games than Torres this season, so he's bound to have a lower goals:games ratio. That's akin to comparing someone with one goal in one appearance and fifty goals in fifty appearances and saying they're the same quality. I appreciate you're being patient with Torres, Eto'o and Ba, but the fact is, you're really lacking a top class striker. If you had signed one at the start of the season, and they had hit the ground running, you would probably be ten points clear at the top by now.

And as for the attacking-midfielder debate, it's good having the necessary depth, but that's doesn't mean you need to splash out ?50 million to achieve that. Most teams have depth, but they don't have the situation where top class players (signed for ?20 million) are left on the bench week in, week out. For three attacking-midfield positions, you now have Lampard, Oscar, Mata, Sch?rrle, De Bruyne, Hazard, Willian, Bertrand (and Piazon, Atsu, Marin and Moses on loan) who can all put in a decent shift there.

Yeah, no. Jos? Mourinho isn't going to sign big names like you want to win it. He's building a team with a system. Jackson Martinez would become anonymous in our current system, if you've bothered to notice. Pogba is 21, so if we pay buttload for him, he'll be here for years. That means there won't be a place for Nathan Ake, Nathaniel Chalobah, Lewis Baker, Ruben Lotus Cheek, Charly Musonda. Out of all these a couple are bound to make it to first team. That's why Guarin, 27 y/o with all around skillet.

I'm literally sick of people wanting big names, be it midfield or Striker. Without any tactics sense at times.

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What is this system everyone's talking about? And where are you getting it from? Could you please explain this system to me? And I really doubt Mourinho cares about the youth, he's never been one to develop youth (as I've said in the United thread). You just have to see his treatment of Kevin De Bruyne this season!
 
There is a difference between "gentlemen agreement between all the clubs" and between 2 persons when you don't know what was the promise made in person. And you know what was the promise between Levy and Modric because you were there when they made it? or was it written in contract? Taking sides that suits your club needs.

Were you always present during meetings between Levy and Modric? Can you confidently say it was never made? See the problem? Everything is a game of percentages ... Knowing Levy and Modrics character from what we read in the press, it is impossible to completely rule out that such a agreement was made

But the existence or lack thereof of the agreement was never the issue. My point all along was that gentlemans agreement is nothin bound in law so even though their is this supposed agreement between all clubs, it's not something that will prevent Rooney from buying out his contract if he wants to
 
Torres scores every 1.7 games this season in the Premier League, the same ratio as Giroud, there is NO problem! You keep going on as if its a major problem when the facts are we are 2 points off the lead and been a club who has not had run away goal scoring striker for a while now yet won titles along the way. I think you'll find every area of our team chip in with a healthy amount of goals and one certain player has improved/will improve on his tally massively. Hazard last season 9 league goals this season 8 already so should easily reach 15 goals. The lack of striker goals will become a problem when Chelsea stop becoming a threat.



Willian looks to be an excellent signing and Schurrle is a young lad and will only improve. You forget we have 3 attacking midfield positions so need more players for them positions than the striker one.

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People are basically coming here and slating Jose for not selling a world-class player in Mata and spending 50-60m to bring in a big-name striker which they are virtually certain will leave us 2 points better off and in the top of the table. 50-60m so we can gain 2 points and lead the table ... Yeah

Personally I think it speaks volumes of Jose's managerial skills that we are only a point behind City despite having a weaker squad in nearly every department ... In places like stroke force and central midfield, vastly so. But then again it's Pellegerini's debut season so it's a bit of an unfair comparison admittedly
 
Were you always present during meetings between Levy and Modric? Can you confidently say it was never made? See the problem? Everything is a game of percentages ... Knowing Levy and Modrics character from what we read in the press, it is impossible to completely rule out that such a agreement was made

But the existence or lack thereof of the agreement was never the issue. My point all along was that gentlemans agreement is nothin bound in law so even though their is this supposed agreement between all clubs, it's not something that will prevent Rooney from buying out his contract if he wants to

Any examples of such transfers in PL?

Btw I'm not the one who took it as gospel about the gentlemen agreement.
 
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People are basically coming here and slating Jose for not selling a world-class player in Mata and spending 50-60m to bring in a big-name striker which they are virtually certain will leave us 2 points better off and in the top of the table. 50-60m so we can gain 2 points and lead the table ... Yeah

Personally I think it speaks volumes of Jose's managerial skills that we are only a point behind City despite having a weaker squad in nearly every department ... In places like stroke force and central midfield, vastly so. But then again it's Pellegerini's debut season so it's a bit of an unfair comparison admittedly

Probably more to do with Citys horrid away form more so than anything Mourinho has done tbh.
 
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People are basically coming here and slating Jose for not selling a world-class player in Mata and spending 50-60m to bring in a big-name striker which they are virtually certain will leave us 2 points better off and in the top of the table. 50-60m so we can gain 2 points and lead the table ... Yeah

Personally I think it speaks volumes of Jose's managerial skills that we are only a point behind City despite having a weaker squad in nearly every department ... In places like stroke force and central midfield, vastly so. But then again it's Pellegerini's debut season so it's a bit of an unfair comparison admittedly
For God's sake you are thick! How many times do people have to say it? The ?50-60 million is irrelevant, because Mata's fee/wages would most likely cover it/the player's wages. Mata is currently not doing anything useful at Chelsea, so even if the new striker flops, he can't do much worse than Mata is at the moment. Therefore, if you sold Mata for roughly the same amount as you signed a new striker for and their wages were roughly the same, the signing would be almost risk-free. And just in case you still don't understand it, here is the hypothetical maths behind it:
1. Mata on ?200k per week (all figures estimated); sold for ?40 million.
2. Higua?n/Su?rez/whoever signed for ?45 million, on ?200k per week.
3. ?45 million - ?40 million = ?5 million = peanuts to Abramovich and Chelsea.
4. ?200k per week - ?200k per week = ?0 = no difference in wages.
5. ?5 million + ?0 = ?5 million = basically nothing, as aforementioned, to Chelsea. Therefore, in reality, you would be spending very little on a new striker, who could potentially contribute much more than Mata has so far; and even if he doesn't, wouldn't result in much of a loss for you. Do you get it now?

Probably more to do with Citys horrid away form more so than anything Mourinho has done tbh.
Exactly. Although in all fairness, Mourinho can only beat what is put in front of him, and he's done that.
 
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