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Mate I appreciate you coming on here to have a discussion but you really need to get your facts straight ... Mourinho wanted Courtois to come back in the summer and challenge Cech for his spot but Courtois chose to stay out on loan. It's not about reputation or hierarchy... It's about proving that you can earn your place on the team. Is it fair to Cech if we decide to get rid of him and install Courtois in his place without giving him a chance to prove he can still cut it at the top level considering he is only 30 which is pretty young for a keeper?

And no, while their was a hierarchy of sorts at the club under previous managers which allowed the old guard to retain their place at the cost of others, it was never going to work under Mourinho. He has proved this by removing Cole from the starting XI and installing Azpilicueta in his place. Plus the very idea that Torres will retain his place due to reputation or hierarchy is absurd considering he hardly commands that larger stature at Chelsea

I have already said about why playing Mata over Oscar would be foolish considering the state of our midfield
Well, what about instead of Hazard then? He's better than Hazard.
 
Yes, because Lampard is being used in a double pivot. No wonder.

Can you suggest any other better combination? Mikel and Ramires perhaps? Except we will get ****** since we will barely be able to distribute the ball to our attacking players. Essien is past it. We actually bought a player who can potentially rectify the situation in MvG but he got injured. But I guess that's the clubs fault too no?
 
Well, what about instead of Hazard then? He's better than Hazard.

They are both very very different players .. Hazard is more direct, lightning quick and beat a man on the dribble all of which are qualities that Mata lacks to play effectively on the wing. Unless you are suggesting we play Mata and Oscar together which would make us incredibly narrow

It isn't as simple as saying player X is better than player Y, you also have to look at what each of them bring to the team
 
Mata is not better than Hazard on the wing. Mata is the best 10 we've got, but not the best winger. There's a huge difference.

They are both very very different players .. Hazard is more direct, lightning quick and beat a man on the dribble all of which are qualities that Mata lacks to play effectively on the wing. Unless you are suggesting we play Mata and Oscar together which would make us incredibly narrow

It isn't as simple as saying player X is better than player Y, you also have to look at what each of them bring to the team

Fair enough I suppose.
 
Can you suggest any other better combination? Mikel and Ramires perhaps? Except we will get ****** since we will barely be able to distribute the ball to our attacking players. Essien is past it. We actually bought a player who can potentially rectify the situation in MvG but he got injured. But I guess that's the clubs fault too no?

I would combine Luiz + Mikel for a few games. But that's me.
 
I would combine Luiz + Mikel for a few games. But that's me.

I suppose it is an idea worth exploring although it has been pointed out here several times that Luiz simply doesn't have the positional sense and discipline to play in the pivot. That said, he can definitely do a better defensive job than Lampard

Basically, we really need to bring in either one of Matic or Guarin this window
 

Well considering this time last season in which Mata was a key figure and playing in every game we were already out of the title race and in the Europa league I would agree and say yes.
 
Well considering this time last season in which Mata was a key figure and playing in every game we were already out of the title race and in the Europa league I would agree and say yes.

Yes, because Mata is responsible for all duties on the pitch, even defending. He's also responsible for the way we lined up against every team we met, tactics, system, everything. Well done.
 
Well considering this time last season in which Mata was a key figure and playing in every game we were already out of the title race and in the Europa league I would agree and say yes.
He was instrumental in your Champions League win too.




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Well considering this time last season in which Mata was a key figure and playing in every game we were already out of the title race and in the Europa league I would agree and say yes.

More points =/= playing better.
 
Far better? What do you mean? Creativity in the final 3rd worse than what we had previous seasons. So again, what do you mean 'far better'?


Oscar is nowhere near Mata in terms of creativity - FACT.
Without Hazard on the pitch we are struggling to penetrate - FACT.

It may be worse but our all round game i.e winning back of the ball, is far far better. If we have the ball then the other team can't score its as simple as that.

True but again that was the day after Eto'o had joined, four strikers going into one position doesn't make for great playing time. I like how you said it was a sign of him not being mentally strong, him demanding to go out on loan so he could get game time links to quite the opposite. He knows what he wants and went for it.

You could speculate that he'd be the main striker and would get the most playing time but it's highly unlikely.
Torres is likely to start half your games, so that leaves 20 or so for the other three, Eto'o could quite easily demand a place in half of those leaving Lukaku with scraps. Why stay for the chance to play 10-15 games when he can go out on loan and get 2-3 times that.


I honestly believe Mourinho bottled giving Lukaku a chance and signed Eto'o, now rather than admitting he is trying to blame Lukaku.

He never would have had the chance to prove his "current form" if he was still at Chelsea. This way he gets to play in the World Cup and that's fair enough.

I think what people are struggling to remember is that we do own Lukaku! He is Chelsea's at the end of this season he will still be under contract with Chelsea FC! And as i and Jose himself on a number of occasions this is a project something which will take time to build for the future. This short term loan will and already has made Lukaku a much better player all round.

Well, what about instead of Hazard then? He's better than Hazard.

No not a chance! Hazard is our best player by a country mile, if he plays well we win its as simple as that.

I suppose it is an idea worth exploring although it has been pointed out here several times that Luiz simply doesn't have the positional sense and discipline to play in the pivot. That said, he can definitely do a better defensive job than Lampard

Basically, we really need to bring in either one of Matic or Guarin this window

I have been saying for 18-24 months now that we desperately need a deep lying playmaker, Modric was the one i really wanted.
 
He was instrumental in your Champions League win too.




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To sum up Mata and its something me and a friend of mine who i consider very clued up about football and something we both got shot down for in the summer is that he is a luxury player. In game where we will dominate possession then he is key, but in games where we will play on the counter then he does not suit that system.
 
This is just a typical thing when it comes to Mourinho, you love him or hate him and when you hate him he is wrong even if he is right and when you love him he is right even when he is wrong.
 
Yes, because Mata is responsible for all duties on the pitch, even defending. He's also responsible for the way we lined up against every team we met, tactics, system, everything. Well done.

Didn't quite put it the right way I admit what I ment was we are picking up more points now in the current system that doesn't suit Juan quite as much as the one in which he was so incredible in last season. Playing the way we do this season may mean seeing less of mata and him not getting as many goals or assists as he was before but do I really give a **** if Chelsea win games and win trophies? Of course not. I do understand many Chelsea fans frustrations at mata not being such a key figure anymore because he has been without a doubt our best player by a country mile since the day he joined but too many Chelsea fans are going way over the top and it seems some would rather see us drop points with him playing rather than us win with Oscar in that number 10 role.
 
He was instrumental in your Champions League win too.




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He was but we now play a different system, have a new manager and our squad has changed quite a lot since that champions league final. The way we have been playing this season we are better with Oscar in the number 10 role than with playing mata in there. At the end of the day I support Chelsea football club and as long as we win I don't care who plays. Of course it is a little disappointing when you see a talented player on the bench or taken off with only 50 odd minutes played but if Chelsea walk off that pitch with the three points I have soon forgotten about said player not being involved.
 
Next 4 games are crucial ... Hoping for at least 7 points and will be delighted with 9. Can't afford to **** up against West Ham or Hull
 
It may be worse but our all round game i.e winning back of the ball, is far far better. If we have the ball then the other team can't score its as simple as that.






I think what people are struggling to remember is that we do own Lukaku! He is Chelsea's at the end of this season he will still be under contract with Chelsea FC! And as i and Jose himself on a number of occasions this is a project something which will take time to build for the future. This short term loan will and already has made Lukaku a much better player all round.



No not a chance! Hazard is our best player by a country mile, if he plays well we win its as simple as that.



I have been saying for 18-24 months now that we desperately need a deep lying playmaker, Modric was the one i really wanted.
Hazard has been your best player in the absence of Mata in his best position. Mata was arguably more influential in that Champions-League-winning side, although that may have been because his teammates were more average. Mata is world-class; Hazard doesn't currently have the consistency to be.

This is just a typical thing when it comes to Mourinho, you love him or hate him and when you hate him he is wrong even if he is right and when you love him he is right even when he is wrong.
True.
 
Apparently the Guarin move has stalled, in that case we really need to move for Matic. He should be available after this weekends Benefica vs Porto game. He would be a much better addition than Guarin imo
 
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