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Hazard has been your best player in the absence of Mata in his best position. Mata was arguably more influential in that Champions-League-winning side, although that may have been because his teammates were more average. Mata is world-class; Hazard doesn't currently have the consistency to be.


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Hazard has always said about himself and so have i that he needs to work on his consistency. And since December ish he has been sensational every game. If Hazard can be consistent then in my opinion he could be one of the best in the world.
 
Apparently we are loaning De Bruyne to Wolfsburg for the rest of the season with a clause inserted that they can buy him permanently for ?20m. It's good for the lad and good for us, a tidy ?10+ profit on a player

I hope Emeleano still insists on a buy-back clause though. Don't want to commit the same mistake as we did with Matic .. De Bruyne has a high ceiling but he needs regular games to establish himself. Also let's not forget that he is older than Hazard so he has some catching up to do as well
 
?20m seems like a lot now but he'll be worth more in the future. No point in insisting on a buy back clause, doubt he'll want to return.
 
More money for a deeper-lying playmaker, eh. Like Maxime Gonalons, or Morgan Schneiderlin.
 
They will pay 20m for him? Yeah, no.

?20m seems like a lot now but he'll be worth more in the future. No point in insisting on a buy back clause, doubt he'll want to return.

Thats the point ... Young player, a lot of potential and he will probably start at most EPL teams. Still feel we should have a buy back clause though, regardless of whether he wants to return
 
Thats the point ... Young player, a lot of potential and he will probably start at most EPL teams. Still feel we should have a buy back clause though, regardless of whether he wants to return

But that still renders it useless. A lot of English clubs have attempted to use buy-back clauses in deals with players, and very few of them actually returned. If at all.
 
?20m seems like a lot now but he'll be worth more in the future. No point in insisting on a buy back clause, doubt he'll want to return.

But that still renders it useless. A lot of English clubs have attempted to use buy-back clauses in deals with players, and very few of them actually returned. If at all.

A lot can change over time, and it's better having the clause there as an option than not having it. Although many clubs haven't used it, you just have to look at United (Pogba, Rossi), Chelsea (Matić) and us (Ince) to see why it could be of potential benefit.
 
A lot can change over time, and it's better having the clause there as an option than not having it. Although many clubs haven't used it, you just have to look at United (Pogba, Rossi), Chelsea (Matić) and us (Ince) to see why it could be of potential benefit.

Except only one of those players looks like he would realistically return to his club, and that's Matic. Even then, he might just go elsewhere, because Benfica are open to offers, not just Chelsea. It's understandable to have the option, but RE: De Bruyne: why would he return, when the buy-back clause is activated, if Jos? is still there? He would have left because of a lack of playing time in the first place, why return when he's likely to still be there?

Moreover, with Oscar playing so well, he's likely to remain ahead of anybody who comes in. Switch back to Wolfsburg/the Bundesliga, he's playing a lot more than he would almost ever at Chelsea. Look at Werder Bremen last season. It would take a sudden change of heart after leaving because of a lack of playing time for him.
 
Except only one of those players looks like he would realistically return to his club, and that's Matic. Even then, he might just go elsewhere, because Benfica are open to offers, not just Chelsea. It's understandable to have the option, but RE: De Bruyne: why would he return, when the buy-back clause is activated, if Jos? is still there? He would have left because of a lack of playing time in the first place, why return when he's likely to still be there?

Moreover, with Oscar playing so well, he's likely to remain ahead of anybody who comes in. Switch back to Wolfsburg/the Bundesliga, he's playing a lot more than he would almost ever at Chelsea. Look at Werder Bremen last season. It would take a sudden change of heart after leaving because of a lack of playing time for him.
Pogba and Ince have also been linked to their former clubs, although perhaps not recently. And we could be talking about in many years time, who knows what would've happened by then? And even in a year or so, if De Bruyne did well at Wolfsburg, the situation could change; if Mourinho left, it could all change.
 
But that still renders it useless. A lot of English clubs have attempted to use buy-back clauses in deals with players, and very few of them actually returned. If at all.

Situation could change .. In a year he might prove himself to be better than Hazard. Who knows? My point is that their is no harm in having the clause inserted
 
Pogba and Ince have also been linked to their former clubs, although perhaps not recently. And we could be talking about in many years time, who knows what would've happened by then? And even in a year or so, if De Bruyne did well at Wolfsburg, the situation could change; if Mourinho left, it could all change.

After a year's time, from being transferred to Wolfsburg and he does well, then he would change his mind and come back?
 
After a year's time, from being transferred to Wolfsburg and he does well, then he would change his mind and come back?

If he was assured that he was good enough to get minutes ahead of our current starting trio then why not? Either way their is no animosity between him and Mourinho, even De Bruyne realises that he isn't good enough yet and Mourinho can't possibly play him ahead of Willian, Hazard or Oscar
 
If he was assured that he was good enough to get minutes ahead of our current starting trio then why not? Either way their is no animosity between him and Mourinho, even De Bruyne realises that he isn't good enough yet and Mourinho can't possibly play him ahead of Willian, Hazard or Oscar

But he wouldn't be assured of that, it's the reason why he would leave in the first place.
 
But he wouldn't be assured of that, it's the reason why he would leave in the first place.
Don't forget, money talks too! Chelsea could offer him a massive contract, if he performed well at Wolfsburg, and I'm sure he would return if that was the case. There's not really any point debating these hypothetical situations, though, fundamentally, it's better to have a release clause put in, than not to have one.
 
Not if he becomes a better player that anyone of our starting XI in the future

In order for that to happen, Hazard should either break his two legs or go to Real Madrid for 150m in return.


Hypothetical ****. Not interested.
 
In order for that to happen, Hazard should either break his two legs or go to Real Madrid for 150m in return.


Hypothetical ****. Not interested.

Never said it would happen ... I just don't see the harm in putting in that clause based on some hypothetical situation that he a) would never be good enough or b) he would not like return
 
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