The Chelsea Thread

[Alcaraz]

I know we did not. I'm just saying nor did the Rooney saga, I just said if anything, opposite can be said not that. It's hard to convey tones on the internet.

Also Alcaraz, Jose wanted a striker who can play in tight spaces, has work rate and plays for the team with excellent link up. We did not want another poacher as he'd definitely get isolated. There were very very few players who qualify in that bracket and Rooney was the most possible option. Aguero and Suarez were unrealistic targets.

Likes of Falcao remain around 18 yard box relying on through balls and service, of our AMs, only Hazard passes around the box and that tells you about the situation.

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Agreed but that doesn't refute my post on how whoever was telling Jose that he could get Rooney was badly mistaken. Rooney would be perfect for our system. That much is easy to tell. But obviously something went very wrong when you consider that we spent 90% of our summer chasing after a player we would never get which in turn meant we could not fill the only gaping hole in our squad

Then of course in January, we decide to forget everything and sell our best player ability-wise to United at the risk of rejuvenating their season and making them title challengers even when foreign teams such as PSG were interested. A deal like this will definitely hurt us in the future

Also, Injury to MvG does not make the transfer window, bad. That's batshit insane logic.

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Look at our summer buys. Willian and Schurrle are great but they are luxury buys. Would the likes of Moses and De Bruyne been too much of a downgrade?? The only player we bought to fill a hole in our squad was MvG who then tore his ACL. We spent the rest of the summer chasing after a striker we would never get ensuring that we went into the season with a gaping and obvious hole in our squad

 

[AayushCFC]

You do realize our board gave Mourinho one year to test players and build a team for next year? Rooney was obvious choice he wanted but he isn't the only one working on the signings. We do have a competent Director of Football as opposed to many of our rivals.

I'm sure Emenalo and his scouting party are trying their best to find a striker who'd fit the bill and arev doing now. While Jose chased him openly, he had backup on Eto'o which admittedly did not work out well.

We addressed our midfield with MvG in summer, one can't predict such serious injuries and we added more steel in Winter. One departure in that department seems forthcoming (Mikel or Ramires) and one more addition, unless Luiz is deployed in midfield on permanent basis.

PSG were not interested, it was just newspaper AND Juan Mata is much more than just money, he wanted to play in EPL, would definitely have not gone to French League. He enjoys the game. Maybe Spanish league but none of them came calling and no one could pay the price except big two.

He was not happy and sadly United was only viable option. Also he was sold in winter because a possible loss of 7M by summer is big deal in FFP era, even though we're dancing our way through it.

Also with Fergie's comments and history with Moyes, I'll admit I for a split second thought we might get Rooney, but applause to Moyes' determination.

Also Rooney is a striker, Chelsea's glaring weakness would've been rectified with him. United's is definitely not #10 position.

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[AayushCFC]

Also someone posted a video of Shinji Kagawa's play against Olympiacos and how majority of United players just passed over midfield and their no.10 with long aerial balls for RvP, hope they continue that with Mata.

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[grindo]

I feel we should definitely go for Shaw , I really love to see him play..... frankly i watch soton matches only to see Shaw play and seeing that he is also a CFC fan , I would be gutted if Man U got him

 

[Alcaraz]

You do realize our board gave Mourinho one year to test players and build a team for next year? Rooney was obvious choice he wanted but he isn't the only one working on the signings. We do have a competent Director of Football as opposed to many of our rivals.

I'm sure Emenalo and his scouting party are trying their best to find a striker who'd fit the bill and arev doing now. While Jose chased him openly, he had backup on Eto'o which admittedly did not work out well.

We addressed our midfield with MvG in summer, one can't predict such serious injuries and we added more steel in Winter. One departure in that department seems forthcoming (Mikel or Ramires) and one more addition, unless Luiz is deployed in midfield on permanent basis.

PSG were not interested, it was just newspaper AND Juan Mata is much more than just money, he wanted to play in EPL, would definitely have not gone to French League. He enjoys the game. Maybe Spanish league but none of them came calling and no one could pay the price except big two.

He was not happy and sadly United was only viable option. Also he was sold in winter because a possible loss of 7M by summer is big deal in FFP era, even though we're dancing our way through it.

Also with Fergie's comments and history with Moyes, I'll admit I for a split second thought we might get Rooney, but applause to Moyes' determination.

Also Rooney is a striker, Chelsea's glaring weakness would've been rectified with him. United's is definitely not #10 position.

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1. Don't see how that means it's okay that we massively screwed up our pursuit for a striker

2. Obviously

3. Hardly. MvG is a good player but saying that he addressed our midfield problems is stupid. As I said, in hindsight, our summer window has not gone very well

4. You obviously seem very clued in on the inner workings of PSG and Mata's mind. Just to let you know, At Madrid did come calling. They are title challengers as well so that would have been an attractive option

5. So you honestly bought Mourinho's ****-and-bulk story on how we sold Mata because we felt it was our 'moral' duty to the player who was unhappy with us. Shame we didn't see fit to do the same for Malouda

 

[Alcaraz]

I feel we should definitely go for Shaw , I really love to see him play..... frankly i watch soton matches only to see Shaw play and seeing that he is also a CFC fan , I would be gutted if Man U got him

Chelsea have been watching him for a very long time. Think it's a given that we will be pursuing him in the summer. Expect the likes of Mikel, Ba, Lampard, Eto'o, Cole and possibly Luiz to depart

 

[grindo]

Chelsea have been watching him for a very long time. Think it's a given that we will be pursuing him in the summer. Expect the likes of Mikel, Ba, Lampard, Eto'o, Cole and possibly Luiz to depart

i dont want luiz to depart he and matic have been our best defensive mid pairing this season according to me

 

[AayushCFC]

1. Don't see how that means it's okay that we massively screwed up our pursuit for a striker

2. Obviously

3. Hardly. MvG is a good player but saying that he addressed our midfield problems is stupid. As I said, in hindsight, our summer window has not gone very well

4. You obviously seem very clued in on the inner workings of PSG and Mata's mind. Just to let you know, At Madrid did come calling. They are title challengers as well so that would have been an attractive option

5. So you honestly bought Mourinho's ****-and-bulk story on how we sold Mata because we felt it was our 'moral' duty to the player who was unhappy with us. Shame we didn't see fit to do the same for Malouda

How did we screw up when there aren't apt amount of options for the kind of striker we want? We'd need to reshape whole of this thing to incorporate a poacher.

I think I'm assuming the scouts and Mourinho knew what MvG was capable of. He was promised he will not be loaned and will get adequate playing time.

And you surely seem to know about Atletico's running. Also reports only said they enquired about loan and I reeeeaaallly doubt they can shell out 37M.

I'm not stupid enough to buy into that moral ****, it's obvious an unhappy player disturbs environment of the dressing room which ATM is amazing.

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[AayushCFC]

i dont want luiz to depart he and matic have been our best defensive mid pairing this season according to me

Luiz is not good as anchor man, but good as box to box destroyer with freedom, but I think with LB coming, Azpi will take RB slot and Iva will become CB/RB backup. Zouma will be here too, studying under Terry's tutelage.

Also in current Terry-Cahill, Cahill is playing aggressive role with Terry covering, Cahill has been used for covering by most managers because of his pace and that exposes his tendency to back the **** up. Terry, despite his lack of pace has great reading of the game.

If Luiz is to be paired in defense with Cahill, it'll result in disaster as Luiz is aggressive and can't play cover, he has not been winning the challenges he commits to completely and leaves us open at the back. And Cahill has to be the one covering when playing with him, which isn't too ideal.

I won't mind if he leaves for a good price (35-40M) or maybe if they are willing to take Torres I'd settle at 25M, lol.

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[grindo]

agreed he is not a gr8 defensive player but he is ambitious with his forward passes and more often than not they find one of our front runners which is good considering our counter style ...... he seems to be more of a deep lying playmaker or regista for me

 

[Alcaraz]

How did we screw up when there aren't apt amount of options for the kind of striker we want? We'd need to reshape whole of this thing to incorporate a poacher.

I think I'm assuming the scouts and Mourinho knew what MvG was capable of. He was promised he will not be loaned and will get adequate playing time.

And you surely seem to know about Atletico's running. Also reports only said they enquired about loan and I reeeeaaallly doubt they can shell out 37M.

I'm not stupid enough to buy into that moral ****, it's obvious an unhappy player disturbs environment of the dressing room which ATM is amazing.

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So you are seriously saying that Rooney was the one and only player in the world who would fit into our system?

Yeah well that doesn't mean MvG is good enough to solve our midfield problems

Which would still have been infinity better than selling him to United. Loan Mata to At Madrid for 6 months ensuring his value doesn't drop. Shop him out to foreign teams in the summer. Their are ALWAYS takers for players of Mata's calibre. Sell Ba and De Bruyne to subsidize any move for Matic. Use Schurrle as a third striker

Yeah and Mata was reaalllllyyyy being a detriment to team morale innit?

 

[AayushCFC]

So you are seriously saying that Rooney was the one and only player in the world who would fit into our system?

Yeah well that doesn't mean MvG is good enough to solve our midfield problems

Which would still have been infinity better than selling him to United. Loan Mata to At Madrid for 6 months ensuring his value doesn't drop. Shop him out to foreign teams in the summer. Their are ALWAYS takers for players of Mata's calibre. Sell Ba and De Bruyne to subsidize any move for Matic. Use Schurrle as a third striker

Yeah and Mata was reaalllllyyyy being a detriment to team morale innit?

Nop, Aguero, Suarez, Messi, Tevez do. We chased the most realistic one. Kevin Volland is the one I believe also does but I'm no expert.

You know better than all the backroom staff, scouts, Emenalo and Jose? Cool. We had Mikel, Ramires, MvG, Lamard, Essien.

I'm done with Mata thing, you want to believe we bent over for United for his sale, so be it. Isn't going to make any difference anyway. He's a United player and I've got zero regrets about the deal. Solid 37M for a bench player, got another to keep his seat warm and moan less about it.

And I really think you should consider that the people running our club aren't a bunch of clowns. There is a lot of thinking done before taking decisions, by a lot of people as managers do not have full authority in matters at CFC. Jose was open that he's ready to work with conditions when he joined. He had to convince our board to sell him to United, our board got convinced so there has to be something. Normally if they did not value Jose's long term future, a player of Mata's calibre would've been more important to them.

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[Nick Chelsea]

Because unlike you, not all of us have their heads so far up Jose's *** that we refuse to objectively analysis things he says or does

HOLY ****. COULDN'T RESIST.

 

[Alcaraz]

HOLY ****. COULDN'T RESIST.

Oh great, you haven't stopped being a ****

 

[Alcaraz]

Nop, Aguero, Suarez, Messi, Tevez do. We chased the most realistic one. Kevin Volland is the one I believe also does but I'm no expert.

You know better than all the backroom staff, scouts, Emenalo and Jose? Cool. We had Mikel, Ramires, MvG, Lamard, Essien.

I'm done with Mata thing, you want to believe we bent over for United for his sale, so be it. Isn't going to make any difference anyway. He's a United player and I've got zero regrets about the deal. Solid 37M for a bench player, got another to keep his seat warm and moan less about it.

And I really think you should consider that the people running our club aren't a bunch of clowns. There is a lot of thinking done before taking decisions, by a lot of people as managers do not have full authority in matters at CFC. Jose was open that he's ready to work with conditions when he joined. He had to convince our board to sell him to United, our board got convinced so there has to be something. Normally if they did not value Jose's long term future, a player of Mata's calibre would've been more important to them.

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1. That's rubbish. Their are a plethora of strikers who will do better than our current lot in our system for decent money. We chased after one we could never get

2. Never said that. Stop putting words in my mouth. MvG will NOT solve all our midfield problems because he just doesn't have the skill-set yet. The fact that Mourinho wanted Matic as early as the summer supports my point

3. Let's see ... Mata is a world-class player. A deal which could very well come back to hurt us in the future. It's incredibly delusional to think that it won't matter some way down the line

4. Jesus, Great Britain is run by competent people. Going by your logic, everyone should just shut up and not criticize the givernment for anything because of some misguided faith. You just basically ignored the other potential scenario I presented to you about loaning him to At Madrid as well. You seem to think that selling him to United was our ONLY option which it clearly wasn't

Anyways let's see what happens in the summer but right now, I would reverse the Mata deal if I was in charge. Found another way to subsidize a move for Matic ...

 

[AayushCFC]

I never said it will never potentially harm us in future. And I'm glad you're not incharge.

Also I consider I won the discussion/debate? That's only conclusion from personal attacks.

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[epic terrorist]

To be fair I think you both have legitimate points but this is not something where one person can simply go yeah I won this debate it's more of a time will tell kind of debate

 

[Alcaraz]

I never said it will never potentially harm us in future. And I'm glad you're not incharge.

Also I consider I won the discussion/debate? That's only conclusion from personal attacks.

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But you just said that you had zero regrets about Mata leaving for United. Wouldn't that mean that you are confident it won't be detrimental to us in the future?

No, it means that your points are so ridiculous and ever changing that I have no choice but to question whether you just believe everything that Mourinho says. Should we have sold Mata? Yes. Should we have sold him to United? No. Was United the only option? No. Would it be better to take a few million less and sell him overseas rather than strengthen a direct rival? Yes

I even laid out a potential scenario whereby we could still have gotten Matic without selling Mata to United

 

[Alcaraz]

To be fair I think you both have legitimate points but this is not something where one person can simply go yeah I won this debate it's more of a time will tell kind of debate

Of course but at the end of the day, if you can avoid selling your best player to your direct rival then you should. Especially if the rival in question refused to sell you their best player in the summer

 

[CJACKO11]

Right so let's just bend over for United after they ****** up our summer by not selling us Rooney ... Seems fair

So we would be petty just because they didn't sell us one of their players? You also have to take into count Rooney is Man Utd's best player by a mile, by the time we sold Mata he was 5th choice attacking midfielder.

Lol ... We put all our eggs in one basket by going after Rooney. Once we realised very late on that we couldn't get him, we had no choice but to settle for a 32 year-old from Russia. Without getting this star striker in the summer, our season has been far more difficult than it could have been. We could easily have been 10 points clear by now if we had a proper striker

Us chasing after Rooney and United's failed summer window has absolutely NO relation

But you seem to keep forgetting it isn't about THIS season its about after this season. He has been given 3 transfers windows to mold the side he wants and the striker situation will be sorted this summer. And that striker from Russia has nearly scored 10 goals this season 3 of which coming against Utd!

Willian has been excellent but again he was a luxury buy as opposed to someone who actually filled a need in the squad. De Bruyne would not have been too much of a significant downgrade. Let's not forget that one of the main reasons we went for Willian was because Spurs were close to getting him

Completely agree on the January part. Still sore that we let Mata go to United. Something like this will definitely hurt us in the future

Everyone thought Willian was a luxury buy and someone we got just so Spurs couldn't (although he has been a club target for over a year now) but how wrong has that proved to be? I said a long time ago that as quality as Mata is he himself is a luxury player. You can't say we didn't need Willian when not months down the line he is one of the first names on the team sheet.

You also seem to looking at this Mata transfer the totally wrong way, we have/will strengthen in areas we need to instead of having him. We are and will be a better squad without him 100%.

1. Don't see how that means it's okay that we massively screwed up our pursuit for a striker

2. Obviously

3. Hardly. MvG is a good player but saying that he addressed our midfield problems is stupid. As I said, in hindsight, our summer window has not gone very well

4. You obviously seem very clued in on the inner workings of PSG and Mata's mind. Just to let you know, At Madrid did come calling. They are title challengers as well so that would have been an attractive option

5. So you honestly bought Mourinho's ****-and-bulk story on how we sold Mata because we felt it was our 'moral' duty to the player who was unhappy with us. Shame we didn't see fit to do the same for Malouda

Atletico only wanted Mata on loan, 37million for a player who was 5th choice attacking mid and never going to fit into this system HAS to be taken. No club in world football would have turned down that offer.

On Malouda its a totally different situation, he signed a long term contract and kept refusing to leave the club. Clubs came in for him, bids were accepted (one from Santos) and he rejected to take a pay drop.

Of course but at the end of the day, if you can avoid selling your best player to your direct rival then you should. Especially if the rival in question refused to sell you their best player in the summer

But we couldn't no club in the world would have paid the money Utd did, it was a personal decision of Mata and also one which suited the club financially too. So just because its a divisional rival we should just say "**** what this human being wants who cares about his feelings". We all know how much he loves this country if you read his blogs etc etc, he wanted to stay.