Moyes said ManU can win the Champions League, and if you go to the Man thread, all you see is talk about how many will Bayern score. Where is your winner mentality? You should be agreeing with Moyes and expect to win the CL. Don't talk **** about other fans, when you are exactly the same, if not worse.
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LOL ... Hit the nail on the head mate
I didn't say you were drowning in self pity. I said for a club that has such a strong squad, I find it surprising that you've all been happy with a 3rd place finish from the start of the year. "Not writing yourselves on" as Cjacko put it..
There was last year. Show me a United fan who was satisfied with second at any point in the season.
Moyes stopped talking anything positive about the league/CL in January when it became totally ludicrous to do so. And one of our main gripes with Moyes has been his negativity in the media. I'd much rather, and expect the United manager to come out and say we're going to give it every single bit we've got to try and win it than have some defeatist attitude from the moment go.
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For someone who spends so much time in the United thread you miss the point terrifyingly often.
Care to elaborate?
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Give Andras a cookie please.
April fools day is tomorrow pal
I know. That's why I've said it on a day other than tomorrow.
This is the best chance Chelsea have had to win the league in since 2010 yet we're expected to believe that Jose is happy with a top 3 finish? Trailing last seasons 7th place & a Manchester City who have only been playing well for half a season. Nah, I don't buy it.
Maybe he's only really interested in the Champions League, maybe once he wins that he will leave and we will go back to seeing Chelsea fans complaining about aiming for a top 3 finish.
It was quite a while back when Moyes was talking about that.. Around the same time players like Cleverley were coming out with statements such as "if we win every game until the end of the season we'll be champions".. It's called being positive and despite it being absolutely ridiculous, it's still a better mentality to have than writing yourself off every time you play badly. Mind games or not, Jose has influenced almost every Chelsea fan into accepting that a top 3 finish is an excellent achievement which has resulted in all the pressure and scrutiny being taken away from his under-performing players.
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Mourinho said it from the start of the season that we have no objective, he is here for a long term plan, and he is building a team for future success. I hate it when we lose, and i REALLY wanted us to win the title, but i am not living on dreams and hopes. The fact is that only the most optimistic of fans actually expected us to win it this year. We had a good run, better than expected if i might say, we have a good team, but most of the players are either passed their prime or promising talents. We are not writing anyone off, but when you depend on others, you cannot stand tall and tell the whole world "We will win the title!" The game against Crystal Palace was a very poor one, one that we should have won, one that champions should win. We are not there yet. Even if somehow we win the title, i still think next year we will be way better. Hope for the best.
So despite the fact that you are nowhere near winning a trophy this season, you still prefer Mourinho to Rafa? Rafa had half a season, with no stability (he was caretaker manager, with not many of the fans behind him), to mould the team (and he didn't make any signings either, if my recall correctly), yet he managed to win the Europa League. Mourinho has spent fairly lavishly this season, yet it's OK if he doesn't win anything?
Best counter-attacking side in Europe? You're not even the best in England!
That's because our squad is significantly worse than yours, never mind City's. And we have had a very small net spend, with many players who are performing well now deemed flops at the start of the season (Allen, Henderson, et al). That's nothing to do with mind games, it's more to do with the harsh reality: we have had spent much less money than you to assemble this squad and have done even worse than you in previous seasons.
And what squad is 'balanced'? Even the likes of Real Madrid and Bayern Munich lack quality in certain positions, yet they still manage to deliver the goods most of the time. The fact is, you have spent a lot of money in the transfer market since Mourinho left, but haven't really achieved the success to match it.
And yet when an Arsenal side, who are probably the fourth or fifth best squad in the league, finish fourth (after spending virtually peanuts), it's embarrassing?
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HOLY ****. MY EYES. ARE MY EYES ******* DECEIVING ME?!
I'm not saying Rafa's better, but he deserves more respect for his achievements in half a season, whereas Mourinho has been getting far too much praise for his achievements this season. It's a case of double standards, as with the digs at Wenger.
This sums it up with Jose:
Mourinho's act grows old
If it is the case that when you are tired of Jose Mourinho, you are tired of life, please send me to Switzerland immediately. Once an iconoclastic young blade intent on kicking sand in the establishment’s eyes, he’s matured into the sort of pub bore you’ll switch pubs to avoid. His insistence that Chelsea are underdogs, outsiders, little horses or tentative squirrels is the most tiresome meme of the season.
PA PhotosMourinho wrote off Chelsea's title hopes after Saturday's defeat.
On Saturday, Mourinho became the first manager ever to "give up" on the title when his team was at the top of the table with six games left to play. “I don't think now we can win the league,” he burbled after Chelsea were beaten at Crystal Palace.
- Brewin: Three Things - Crystal Palace vs. Chelsea
- Lythell: Chelsea's hopes crumble
It’s really not. It’s the most open season in years and Chelsea have six games left; one against Liverpool and five against teams in the bottom half. Yes, Manchester City have more games in hand, but they’re all squeezed into a shorter time period and fatigued slip-ups are likely.
It’s all such palpable wiffle. No, this was never as easy a job as it seemed. If Chelsea’s squad is any kind of horse then it is one that was assembled by committee and that ended up looking like a camel. Chelsea are paying the price for seven years of flux and cursing a lack of joined-up thinking.
But they are hardly paupers. Even without a noted striker -- and it’s worth remembering that the three they do have, Fernando Torres, Samuel Eto'o and Demba Ba, are on monstrous wages -- they boast some of the best young attacking midfielders on earth and a defence that could usually withstand a tornado.
Jose, if you’re reading this: We get it. You’re trying to relieve the pressure on your players while simultaneously convincing your boss to let you have a go on his credit cards. There are undiscovered tribes in Papua New Guinea who get it. Please, stop treating us like idiots.
Mourinho's act grows old
If it is the case that when you are tired of Jose Mourinho, you are tired of life, please send me to Switzerland immediately. Once an iconoclastic young blade intent on kicking sand in the establishment’s eyes, he’s matured into the sort of pub bore you’ll switch pubs to avoid. His insistence that Chelsea are underdogs, outsiders, little horses or tentative squirrels is the most tiresome meme of the season.
On Saturday, Mourinho became the first manager ever to "give up" on the title when his team was at the top of the table with six games left to play. “I don't think now we can win the league,” he burbled after Chelsea were beaten at Crystal Palace.
- Brewin: Three Things - Crystal Palace vs. Chelsea
- Lythell: Chelsea's hopes crumble
It’s really not. It’s the most open season in years and Chelsea have six games left; one against Liverpool and five against teams in the bottom half. Yes, Manchester City have more games in hand, but they’re all squeezed into a shorter time period and fatigued slip-ups are likely.
It’s all such palpable wiffle. No, this was never as easy a job as it seemed. If Chelsea’s squad is any kind of horse then it is one that was assembled by committee and that ended up looking like a camel. Chelsea are paying the price for seven years of flux and cursing a lack of joined-up thinking.
But they are hardly paupers. Even without a noted striker -- and it’s worth remembering that the three they do have, Fernando Torres, Samuel Eto'o and Demba Ba, are on monstrous wages -- they boast some of the best young attacking midfielders on earth and a defence that could usually withstand a tornado.
Jose, if you’re reading this: We get it. You’re trying to relieve the pressure on your players while simultaneously convincing your boss to let you have a go on his credit cards. There are undiscovered tribes in Papua New Guinea who get it. Please, stop treating us like idiots.
He'll probably blame Rafa for selling Sturridge.
I never said he would be happy with a top 3 finish did i, the man is a serial winner no matter what people think of him. But for once us fans are being rational and know this is a long term thing. For years opposition fans slated our club for "lack of stability" sacking managers every 6 months and now us, the club and our manager seem to be on the same page and happy with what is going on we are being questioned "why we are happy with it".
As i said earlier, Rafa like managers who went before him changed absolutely nothing when the team needed to complete its transition because results were mandatory from the off. On the job he done he done okay yes and you also cannot say things like "he won the europe league" and hold that against Jose because although we celebrated winning the trophy it's not something we wanted to try and win again for obvious reasons.
Best counter-attacking side in Europe? You're not even the best in England!
If you mean Liverpool then yeah they are brilliant but they also can score goals from dominating possession in games which is something Chelsea currently lack.
Sorry i'm just not having this. The media have been blabbing on for weeks now as if Liverpool have been living off free transfers for years! Net spend is income and outgoings right? Well Liverpool have made a lot of money selling some of their assets where as both Chelsea and Man City have either kept hold of their main players/most expensive players, funny how no-one has mentioned this against "everyones title choice".
Torres, Meireles, Carroll, Mascherano and Alonso recouped you the best part of 120million on their own!
Yes you do have a point that most sides are not fully balanced but the quality of them sides are better than ours currently no arguing there. We spent money to keep the success going which there was a massive amount so not sure what rock you have been living under since 2007 (7 trophies).
Jose has got a lot of stick actually from myself and i see loads of other fans questioning him. I questioned him starting 3 in midfield on Saturday. I questioned why he never bought on Willian. I questioned why he does not punch Torres in the face before every game as he seems to play better after he has taken a whack and is angry. You just have to accept that Rafa was just not a Chelsea manager its as simple as that, some managers don't suit some clubs and he was one of them regardless of how successful he was/would have been.
Actually if you remember correctly (which you won't because when one has a dislike of Jose they forget key things) Jose has been saying Liverpool are ones to watch as far back as Christmas time. Was something which was bought up and remembered on BBC5live last weekend.
This sums it up with Jose:
Mourinho's act grows old
If it is the case that when you are tired of Jose Mourinho, you are tired of life, please send me to Switzerland immediately. Once an iconoclastic young blade intent on kicking sand in the establishment’s eyes, he’s matured into the sort of pub bore you’ll switch pubs to avoid. His insistence that Chelsea are underdogs, outsiders, little horses or tentative squirrels is the most tiresome meme of the season.
PA PhotosMourinho wrote off Chelsea's title hopes after Saturday's defeat.
On Saturday, Mourinho became the first manager ever to "give up" on the title when his team was at the top of the table with six games left to play. “I don't think now we can win the league,” he burbled after Chelsea were beaten at Crystal Palace.
- Brewin: Three Things - Crystal Palace vs. Chelsea
- Lythell: Chelsea's hopes crumble
It’s really not. It’s the most open season in years and Chelsea have six games left; one against Liverpool and five against teams in the bottom half. Yes, Manchester City have more games in hand, but they’re all squeezed into a shorter time period and fatigued slip-ups are likely.
It’s all such palpable wiffle. No, this was never as easy a job as it seemed. If Chelsea’s squad is any kind of horse then it is one that was assembled by committee and that ended up looking like a camel. Chelsea are paying the price for seven years of flux and cursing a lack of joined-up thinking.
But they are hardly paupers. Even without a noted striker -- and it’s worth remembering that the three they do have, Fernando Torres, Samuel Eto'o and Demba Ba, are on monstrous wages -- they boast some of the best young attacking midfielders on earth and a defence that could usually withstand a tornado.
Jose, if you’re reading this: We get it. You’re trying to relieve the pressure on your players while simultaneously convincing your boss to let you have a go on his credit cards. There are undiscovered tribes in Papua New Guinea who get it. Please, stop treating us like idiots.
Complains about what Jose does yet gives it credence by writing about it like every other journo does too? One of Jose's best traits is his man management skills no-one can deny that and this whole "Chelsea can't win the title thing" has ****** me off for months now!
Not once has Jose said "Chelsea CAN'T win the league" before this defeat against Palace. The media ask him the question "are you FAVOURITES for the title" or "is the title now in your hands" and when he answers "no" people jump on this suggesting he is playing "mind games" or he is crazy despite it being true!
Yeah i bought that up but its different for them because they "never expected to be where they are now". How is that different! The fact is they unlike Chelsea do have the title in their hands which is something we have not had yet this season. Now this is double standards!