The Chelsea Thread

[Alcaraz]

Filipe looks a done deal. Admittedly it's from Di Marzio, so take it with a grain of salt, but the fee looks to be about ?20 million. Decent business for an excellent player. You all are beginning to look properly terrifying.

Completely raided Atletico Madrid this summer .... Costa, Tiago and now Filipe Luis. That's not even counting the fact that Courtois is returning. Feel pretty **** that La Liga will probably return to being a two-horse race next season by the looks of things

 

[Andras99]

Apparently we are in for Iasmin Latovlevic from Steaua. Who comes up with these stories?

 

[CJACKO11]

Filipe looks a done deal. Admittedly it's from Di Marzio, so take it with a grain of salt, but the fee looks to be about ?20 million. Decent business for an excellent player. You all are beginning to look properly terrifying.

Must admit, since Cesc joined my semi has not gone down just thinking about our side next season!

 

[AayushCFC]

Tiago deal isn't done, is it? Haven't even heard a word about it in days.

 

[Alcaraz]

Tiago deal isn't done, is it? Haven't even heard a word about it in days.

Its a free transfer so I assume we will only have it officially confirmed on 1st July. We do need some reinforcement in the midfield area

 

[AayushCFC]

Its a free transfer so I assume we will only have it officially confirmed on 1st July. We do need some reinforcement in the midfield area

Sure but there hasn't been any word on it since May. I still believe the rumour is made up. Mikel to Inter rumour seems like ages ago too.

 

[zzeezzy]

Filipe looks a done deal. Admittedly it's from Di Marzio, so take it with a grain of salt, but the fee looks to be about ?20 million. Decent business for an excellent player. You all are beginning to look properly terrifying.

You think? 30M for Shaw or 20m for Filipe Luis who is 10 years older?

I think Jose has made a mistake there personally, Shaw has the potential to be something real special as well.

Also I'll say it again, still not convinced by the Diego Costa deal, he's had a good season or two for Atletico but before that he's relatively unproven and they have spent around 32-34mill for him?

Not trying to cause any arguments but I just question it personally.

 

[CJACKO11]

You think? 30M for Shaw or 20m for Filipe Luis who is 10 years older?

I think Jose has made a mistake there personally, Shaw has the potential to be something real special as well.

Also I'll say it again, still not convinced by the Diego Costa deal, he's had a good season or two for Atletico but before that he's relatively unproven and they have spent around 32-34mill for him?

Not trying to cause any arguments but I just question it personally.

The thing you are not considering is that Jose HAS to win next season so signing Shaw and chucking him in is a massive gamble where as Luis is/should be in his prime. Yes you can argue Shaw has Premier League experience etc but Jose won't look at it that way. Atletico and Luis played like an English team last season, very tough to break down, strong and lightening quick on the counter so you could say Luis will adapt quickly.

On the Costa thing he scored 20 the season before last despite being 2nd choice to Falcao and the season before that scored 10 in 15 for Vallacano so the "one season wonder" thing is a myth. The lad is 25 so arguably not even in his peak years yet and any other potential striker (Falcao, Cavani etc) will cost nearly double what Costa will cost us. Plus the whole playing like an English side thing as i said for Luis applies to Costa too.

 

[CJACKO11]

Been a while since i done this so time to compare Chelsea's new boy Cesc Fabregas and our centre midfielders from last season.

Goals: (Premier League and Champions League)
Fabregas - 9
Lampard - 7
Ramires - 3
Matic - 3 (all with Benfica)
Mikel - 1

Assists:
Fabregas - 14
Lampard - 5
Ramires - 3
Matic - 4
Mikel - 1

Pass Completion %:
Fabregas - 87.1%
Lampard - 83.4%
Ramires - 82.8%
Matic - 84.4%
Mikel - 89.1%

Tackles per game:
Fabregas - 1.2
Lampard - 1.6
Ramires - 2.9
Matic - 3.1
Mikel - 1.2

Key Passes per game:
Fabregas - 1.4
Lampard - 1.3
Ramires - 1
Matic - 1.2
Mikel - 0.5

 

[Alcaraz]

You think? 30M for Shaw or 20m for Filipe Luis who is 10 years older?

I think Jose has made a mistake there personally, Shaw has the potential to be something real special as well.

Also I'll say it again, still not convinced by the Diego Costa deal, he's had a good season or two for Atletico but before that he's relatively unproven and they have spent around 32-34mill for him?

Not trying to cause any arguments but I just question it personally.

The problem with Shaw isn't his transfer fee but rather his wages. United are offering him close to 100k p/w in order to tempt him. A number that Chelsea simply refuse to match. Especially once you consider that he wages will only get higher as he develops and signs new contracts. Plus in the worst-case scenario if he fails, it will be nearly impossible to move him on

Luis was excellent for At Madrid in the past 3 seasons. He is a proven player. £20m and 70k p/w wages is really not much for a player of his calibre and in his prime

Plus Costa was always pretty good. He just often got overshadowed by players like Falcao. Last season was when he really got to take centre-stage and he delivered. I am not crazy about him myself but he is good enough

Also the afromentioned players performed while playing for At Madrid who play a similar system to Chelsea. So that would at least expedite the settling in process

 

[Vanjagl]

Been a while since i done this so time to compare Chelsea's new boy Cesc Fabregas and our centre midfielders from last season.

Goals: (Premier League and Champions League)
Fabregas - 9
Lampard - 7
Ramires - 3
Matic - 3 (all with Benfica)
Mikel - 1

Assists:
Fabregas - 14
Lampard - 5
Ramires - 3
Matic - 4
Mikel - 1

Pass Completion %:
Fabregas - 87.1%
Lampard - 83.4%
Ramires - 82.8%
Matic - 84.4%
Mikel - 89.1%

Tackles per game:
Fabregas - 1.2
Lampard - 1.6
Ramires - 2.9
Matic - 3.1
Mikel - 1.2

Key Passes per game:
Fabregas - 1.4
Lampard - 1.3
Ramires - 1
Matic - 1.2
Mikel - 0.5

Huuur those stats ar from Spanish league, let's see how Fabregas does in new league, I doubt he can adapt to BPL, the best league of all the time.

 

[CJACKO11]

Huuur those stats ar from Spanish league, let's see how Fabregas does in new league, I doubt he can adapt to BPL, the best league of all the time.

Sarcasm is hard to detect on here but i'm suggesting this is tongue in cheek lol.

 

[GodCubed]

You think? 30M for Shaw or 20m for Filipe Luis who is 10 years older?

I think Jose has made a mistake there personally, Shaw has the potential to be something real special as well.

Also I'll say it again, still not convinced by the Diego Costa deal, he's had a good season or two for Atletico but before that he's relatively unproven and they have spent around 32-34mill for him?

Not trying to cause any arguments but I just question it personally.

Filipe, at this moment, is a far superior player than Shaw, and Mourinho has always been about winning first and building later. I think you haven't seen just how well Filipe played this season: he was the best left back in La Liga by miles.

Meh, Kevin Strootman's 'only' had two good seasons. Rapha Varane has 'only' had two good seasons. When a player is 25 and been stuck behind a procession of world-class talent for most of their career so far, you just can't judge him on his career quality. Atletico have a track record of producing quality forwards, from Torres to Forlan to Aguero to Costa. I think he'll do just fine.

I guess I just find it funny that you're saying you should take the 'unproven' young talent in Shaw, who's only had 1 good season, over the proven veteran in Filipe, and then lambasting Chelsea for taking the 'unproven' talent Costa.

 

[Alcaraz]

Now that Courtois himself has confirmed that he is coming back to Chelsea, it's looking very likely that Cech will be sold

 

[Quasit]

Now that Courtois himself has confirmed that he is coming back to Chelsea, it's looking very likely that Cech will be sold

He will fetch a good fee. Would go in line with earlier business which has been excellent. Chelsea truly showing likes of PSG and City how to get WC talent while complying with the rules.

 

[cfc12345]

Absolutely love Cech but it's the right time to go without a doubt. Not only is he not as good as courtois now but also got a feeling if we don't give courtois his chance at the club the coming season he would want out and we just can't afford to lose him. Arguebly Europes best goal keeper last season and still only 21 in phenomenal.

 

[zzeezzy]

Filipe, at this moment, is a far superior player than Shaw, and Mourinho has always been about winning first and building later. I think you haven't seen just how well Filipe played this season: he was the best left back in La Liga by miles.

Meh, Kevin Strootman's 'only' had two good seasons. Rapha Varane has 'only' had two good seasons. When a player is 25 and been stuck behind a procession of world-class talent for most of their career so far, you just can't judge him on his career quality. Atletico have a track record of producing quality forwards, from Torres to Forlan to Aguero to Costa. I think he'll do just fine.

I guess I just find it funny that you're saying you should take the 'unproven' young talent in Shaw, who's only had 1 good season, over the proven veteran in Filipe, and then lambasting Chelsea for taking the 'unproven' talent Costa.

I'm not saying anything... but I don't think it's great business to be honest. Of course we can say that Varane and Shaw are much younger than Filipe Luis so they are going to be relatively unproven as they have had hardly any experience, compared to him anyway so the point isn't really logical.

He'll actually be 29 by the time the season starts... with Azpilicueta and Cole there, Shaw would be the much better option IMO. Cole and Azpilicueta are experienced and could blend him in anyway if need be.

 

[Alcaraz]

I'm not saying anything... but I don't think it's great business to be honest. Of course we can say that Varane and Shaw are much younger than Filipe Luis so they are going to be relatively unproven as they have had hardly any experience, compared to him anyway so the point isn't really logical.

He'll actually be 29 by the time the season starts... with Azpilicueta and Cole there, Shaw would be the much better option IMO. Cole and Azpilicueta are experienced and could blend him in anyway if need be.

You kinda just ignored literally everything that GC, Carl and I said. Shaw wouldn't be a better option. Luis is much much much better than him IMO. The wages and transfer fee needed to bring in Shaw certainly are too inflated for a player who is right now just 'potential'. Even if we do pay, it will be nearly impossible to move him on if he fails. Luis was successfull in a system that is very similar to ours so that would ease the adaptation process. By all accounts, Luis is a safer and better buy than Shaw

Not to mention that with the sale of Luiz, we are flush with cash and can easily spend upto 150m whe still complying comfortably with FFP regulations.

 

[GodCubed]

I'm not saying anything... but I don't think it's great business to be honest. Of course we can say that Varane and Shaw are much younger than Filipe Luis so they are going to be relatively unproven as they have had hardly any experience, compared to him anyway so the point isn't really logical.

He'll actually be 29 by the time the season starts... with Azpilicueta and Cole there, Shaw would be the much better option IMO. Cole and Azpilicueta are experienced and could blend him in anyway if need be.

Meh, 'great business' is relative. Chelsea have done some fantastic deals, so they're fine with FFP. Doesn't really matter if it's good business or not if you can afford him without any downsides. Mourinho wants a player at his peak, so he's bidding for one of the best left-backs in the world right now. I think that's fair enough, especially when Azpilicueta will be at full potential by the time he's declining. 29 is a fine age.

Shaw might be a better option but he might be moving elsewhere. Eggs and omelettes, as Jose said.

 

[Tyton]

So I came here to claim internet points and gloat about how I butchered you all in the discussion we had about Del Bosque's striker selection, and then I remembered I was actually supporting Spain in this tournament and I'd much prefer to be wrong.

This is extremely confusing.