The Chelsea Thread

[Mike.]

He's broken his leg recently. Also, not sure City are willing to sell.

He's out for a a few months. No way could he pass a medical

 

[kitchin75]

so what have i missed are you selling some 1?

 

[Alcaraz]

You do realise i was being facetious for the last one right? The point is, he can move for whatever reasons he wants. I'm pointing out that you don't summarily get to dismiss them because you dont like the sound of them. That's really not how it works.

Again 75 to 100k wouldnt be a financial package that couldn't be match for either club. Luis is on 80k

And no it's really not clear, that's the point. You have a supposition that isn't backed up in either direction.

Here's a thing Luke Shaw said he was glad to join United because it was the biggest club in the world. Now he could just be saying that's some do. But that's actually about as much as we have to go on that is direct from a player. So wouldnt that make your dismissal incorrect.

You still havent told me where I dismissed it. I'm waiting.

Yes he can move for any reason he wants. Yes he may have moved to United because he likes the food there I don't know. I am just saying that the most plausible reason was money right? Because I struggle to find a reason why he would choose United over Chelsea. He would have been first choice at Chelsea as well. He would have got to work with an equally illustrious manager in Mourinho. Obviously the deciding factor was something other than playing time and manager and it seems to be the money. This is what every newspaper suspected all along when Chelsea/City pulled out of the deal. Now Mourinho adds credence to those calculated guesses when he directly comes out and says that Shaw had big wage demands. Was Mourinho being hypocritical when he said that? Maybe, maybe not but that's a seperate issue

Is it a bad thing that United used this tactic to get the jump on Shaw? Not at all. Anyways you might be right in your own way Mike ... I am tired of going in circles on this. So let's just agree to disagree and move on

 

[Alcaraz]

He's broken his leg recently. Also, not sure City are willing to sell.

We probably are not getting another striker anyways ...

 

[CJACKO11]

I dont think it was about the area but more of the type of fan that support your club.

This.

Every single club in this country has "chavy" fans, if you don't see it then your a moron.

If you think Chelsea fans are chavs go to the emirates it's full of cocky SnapBack wearing little *****.

Well that's a lie. The Emirates is filled with middle aged gentlemen with newspapers tucked under their arms because they're the only ones who can afford to go there.

Latte drinking spreadsheet w*****s

Then please supply a source that say's different. You keep saying it's only 100,000 but not provided any proof of it. Every source I have found states the 180,000 a week.

Hazard is currently Chelsea's top earning player receiving 185k a week.

So then Chavski pay Eden Hazard £180+ a week yet Mourinho is worried at paying someone like Shaw £100,000 a week would then set off other players banging on his door. Hazard was 21 when he joined Chavski and was the highest paid player and it did not occur to the other Chavski players to knock on the current managers door at that time. Mourinho is full of ****.

Why do we keep comparing ******* Hazard and Luke Shaw!!!!!! Hazard was far more talked about, far more experienced, far more decorated and had far more potential and plus players like Hazard earn more genuinely too! And Jose didn't even sign Hazard or put him on that contract either!

I think we're getting another striker.

Sell Belgiums 2nd choice striker for their 1st in Origi lol. I just want to point out quite some time ago i questioned why it wasn't the top tier sides who wanted Lukaku it was always the second tier, food for thought.

 

[Mike.]

Yes he can move for any reason he wants. Yes he may have moved to United because he likes the food there I don't know. I am just saying that the most plausible reason was money right? Because I struggle to find a reason why he would choose United over Chelsea. He would have been first choice at Chelsea as well. He would have got to work with an equally illustrious manager in Mourinho. Obviously the deciding factor was something other than playing time and manager and it seems to be the money. This is what every newspaper suspected all along when Chelsea/City pulled out of the deal. Now Mourinho adds credence to those calculated guesses when he directly comes out and says that Shaw had big wage demands. Was Mourinho being hypocritical when he said that? Maybe, maybe not but that's a seperate issue

Is it a bad thing that United used this tactic to get the jump on Shaw? Not at all. Anyways you might be right in your own way Mike ... I am tired of going in circles on this. So let's just agree to disagree and move on

you're not struggling to find reason, you just cant accept that he might have taken those reasons in United favour.

Again why is it obvious, why is it the most plausible? Again most journalists have it at £75k (that's from GC so it's not me picking numbers to suit my argument). So that wouldnt make money the obvious reason. Does it annoy you that much that you simply cannot fathom he would move for any other reason than money? It could be something as simple as going because United are one of the biggest clubs in the world. But you can't wrap your head around that at all. We don't know for sure, but my point is there is nothing that concretely backs you up. You admit that Jose, might not be the best source on this, yet you keep saying its clear, it's obvious. Which is why I keep pulling you up on it.

 

[Passenaccio]

Hazard is currently Chelsea's top earning player receiving 185k a week.

Can you tell your chum on here that as he has basically said different and argued with me blue in the face that he is on nowhere near that.

 

[Alcaraz]

you're not struggling to find reason, you just cant accept that he might have taken those reasons in United favour.

Again why is it obvious, why is it the most plausible? Again most journalists have it at £75k (that's from GC so it's not me picking numbers to suit my argument). So that wouldnt make money the obvious reason. Does it annoy you that much that you simply cannot fathom he would move for any other reason than money? It could be something as simple as going because United are one of the biggest clubs in the world. But you can't wrap your head around that at all. We don't know for sure, but my point is there is nothing that concretely backs you up. You admit that Jose, might not be the best source on this, yet you keep saying its clear, it's obvious. Which is why I keep pulling you up on it.

What annoys me is that United fans can't accept that maybe he moved to United only because of money. Because as you agree, their doesn't seem to any other viable alternative for him to pick United over Chelsea. I don't know why they get so defensive. Maybe because they enjoyed having the moral high ground whenever Chelsea used to offer players crazy wages to tempt them to pick Chelsea over United and now can't handle it when the tables have turned

On to the whole issue of numbers, you agreed yourself that his wage could be anywhere between 75 to 150k p/w and you were not sure of it's 'veracity'. Yet you are happily picking the lowest end of the spectrum to support your own arguments because then you can say that all my arguments about how Chelsea couldn't match United's wages get undercut

You say that nothing concrete backs me up. Yet a simple google search shows that nearly every paper is reporting his wages to be around 100k p/w. Nearly every paper has reported at one point or another that Chelsea/City were simply unwilling to match United financial package and pulled out of the deal. Then to top it all off, Jose comes on and explicitly states that Shaw's wage demands were too high

The reason I can't 'wrap my head' around any other reason is because they all sound so **** unconvincing. Shaw moved to United because they are the biggest club in the world? That's a bit funny because he is a Chelsea fan. Shaw moved to United for LVG? That's ridiculous because he agreed to sign under Moyes. The decisive factor was money. It's been reported numerous times by all your credible newspapers and backed up by Mourinho

 

[Alcaraz]

Can you tell your chum on here that as he has basically said different and argued with me blue in the face that he is on nowhere near that.

Actually I realised my mistake and stated that in one of my replies ...

 

[CJACKO11]

Can you tell your chum on here that as he has basically said different and argued with me blue in the face that he is on nowhere near that.

Still makes no odds as the reasons i stated Hazard was always going to be on more a wage than than Shaw.

 

[I7IDanny]

Might be because even at 75k p/w, maybe then all the 18/19/20 year olds you buy and farm out on loan for 5 years might want that too...

 

[Mike.]

What annoys me is that United fans can't accept that maybe he moved to United only because of money. Because as you agree, their doesn't seem to any other viable alternative for him to pick United over Chelsea. I don't know why they get so defensive. Maybe because they enjoyed having the moral high ground whenever Chelsea used to offer players crazy wages to tempt them to pick Chelsea over United and now can't handle it when the tables have turned

On to the whole issue of numbers, you agreed yourself that his wage could be anywhere between 75 to 150k p/w and you were not sure of it's 'veracity'. Yet you are happily picking the lowest end of the spectrum to support your own arguments because then you can say that all my arguments about how Chelsea couldn't match United's wages get undercut

You say that nothing concrete backs me up. Yet a simple google search shows that nearly every paper is reporting his wages to be around 100k p/w. Nearly every paper has reported at one point or another that Chelsea/City were simply unwilling to match United financial package and pulled out of the deal. Then to top it all off, Jose comes on and explicitly states that Shaw's wage demands were too high

The reason I can't 'wrap my head' around any other reason is because they all sound so **** unconvincing. Shaw moved to United because they are the biggest club in the world? That's a bit funny because he is a Chelsea fan. Shaw moved to United for LVG? That's ridiculous because he agreed to sign under Moyes. The decisive factor was money. It's been reported numerous times by all your credible newspapers and backed up by Mourinho

Except I didnt say there wasnt any viable reason. You're now lying about what I said. I actually said its open either way.

I didnt pick the figures. I said they were open. Actually Gocubed did, at 75k rising to 100k, saying most papers had it as this and were using the final figure. Which still wouldnt blow you out the water, when Filipe is on 78k

Ramsey was a United fan. Went to Arsenal. United approached under Moyes. But he didnt decide to sign until Van Gaal took over.

There is actually nothing unviable about Shaw moving to United because they are the one of the biggest despite being a Chelsea fan. The fact that they sound unconvincing to you is neither here or there, they are entirely relevant reasons

It hasn't been been backed up by Jose either. Otherwise I could end this debate when Shaw said he went because United are the biggest club in the world

 

[CJACKO11]

Might be because even at 75k p/w, maybe then all the 18/19/20 year olds you buy and farm out on loan for 5 years might want that too...

Well no because they will catagorically know they are worse than Hazard, Shaw on the other hand has had 1 good year in the Premier League not even outstanding but just good.

 

[kitchin75]

can we just leave it now hes at utd end of

 

[Mike.]

can we just leave it now hes at utd end of

I probably should, but I want to know why Alcaraz keeps trying to argue something is clear, when its not in either direction.

 

[kitchin75]

I probably should, but I want to know why Alcaraz keeps trying to argue something is clear, when its not in either direction.

who know might be the time of the month

 

[CJACKO11]

My first article of the new season.

Summer Transfers Part 1 | Chelsea Fancast

 

[Mike.]

My first article of the new season.

Summer Transfers Part 1 | Chelsea Fancast

"Luis Suarez sinks his teeth into another human"

Well played.

 

[IanC]

Wait wait hold on .... You took a needless go at at me in the World Cup thread. When I retailed, you said it's my fault for being a 'sensitive soul'. Now again you are the one needlessly taunting with you remarks about 'Chavski' and when I call you out on it, you blame me for being a cry baby. I absolutely love you how insult people first and then when you get called out, you try and take the moral high ground

The fact is that even when my arguments with Sunil or zzeezy go to 12345 pages, they don't feel the need to insult me personally. Sure things do get heated but they don't make it personal like you repeatedly do time and time again. That's why I have absolutely zero respect for you just like everyone else on FM Base. You just love making things personal and then wriggling your way out when someone retaliates

You really need to learn to read through that thread before turning it back onto me. I do not care if you have zero respect for me. It's an internet forum and definitely don't look for respect from idiots that can't give a decent debate like you. Now if you would like to read back through the thread and do yourself the favour of being a muppet then go ahead. As I said earlier go away and then learn to play with the adults or just go away and cry.

You just don't get the fact that when someone says anything bad about Chavski then you go into a meltdown about it. Yes that makes you a sensitive soul. I personally do not give a **** how you feel about me so if this feels like I am attacking your personality then good. You might learn that the big wide web can be a scary place if you get too serious over things and get all jumpy about it. Now if you want to reply with something that someone is picking on you when you yourslef has a history of playing the Oh woe me card then go ahead because sure as **** no-one gives a **** about it.

 

[Alcaraz]

Except I didnt say there wasnt any viable reason. You're now lying about what I said.

I didnt pick the figures. I said they were open. Actually Gocubed did, at 75k rising to 100k, saying most papers had it as this and were using the final figure. Which still wouldnt blow you out the water, when Filipe is on 78k

Ramsey was a United fan. Went to Arsenal. United approached under Moyes. But he didnt decide to sign until Van Gaal took over.

There is actually nothing unviable about Shaw moving to United because they are the one of the biggest despite being a Chelsea fan. The fact that they sound unconvincing to you is neither here or there, they are entirely relevant reasons

It hasn't been been backed up by Jose either. Otherwise I could end this debate when Shaw said he went because United are the biggest club in the world

Yes Filipe is on 78k p/w but he will likely only receive one contract in his time at Chelsea. At United, even if Shaw starts at 75k p/w, he will likely extend 3-4 times and his wages will rise at every turn. That is assuming that he does start at 75k p/w which as you mentioned is 'open' to debate. So it's entirely possible that Chelsea simply didn't want to offer such a huge starting wage to a guy they knew would be increasing it every time he extends unlike United. So in a sense, United did blow Chelsea out of the water

Also he had more or less agreed to sign under Moyes. Let's be fair, managerial names didn't play a big part when he was choosing a club

Every credible newspaper in the last 2 months has also reported that Chelsea/City pulled out of the Shaw deal because they couldn't match United's financial package. I never said Jose was my best source but it does help that he stated it so directly and was one of the principal actors in the deal

Now obviously he could have moved to United for a plethora of reasons. I personally feel money played the biggest part. I might be wrong obviously but that's my opinion