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So is judging someone as a top manager when he has one good season managing probably the best Porto side in a decade.



Sure is, but it doesn't make my point any less valid. It was a gamble, so far it hasn't quite worked, and honestly I don't see AVB working to change that.



But he does - when you join a club that sacks managers like there was no tomorrow, then you don't plan long term, because if you do you get the boot. It really is that simple.
1) who said anything about a top manager? He is good young up and coming manager, thats why he was poached

2) its less than a season. As i said later its foolhardy after less than a season.

3) You get on with it, and balance both, someone like Ancelotti is capable, but he bottled it adn played safe. Again AVB knows this about Roman, and yet he is still doing it, because it has to be done
 
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Ramires dosen't set up any chances unlike Lampard. Personly i'd like to see both of them in the squad together.
Lampards overall game isnt as good, that is what matters. Essien, alongside Ramires. **** of a base to work of for the attacking front 4
 
Somewhat similar, also Ramires offers so much

If your going to play a 4-2-3-1 Essien and Romeu in the 2 would be solid. For the player he has been i'v never thought we have found a proper position for Essien and that he dosen't really suit the 4-3-3.
 
Lampards overall game isnt as good, that is what matters. Essien, alongside Ramires. **** of a base to work of for the attacking front 4

We also don't have a great right winger, pretty sure Ramires spent alot of time on the right for Benfica and even Brazil at times and like i said when played there this season he has been very effective. Lampard still has alot of things which he can give to the side so im not ruling him out yet.
 
If your going to play a 4-2-3-1 Essien and Romeu in the 2 would be solid. For the player he has been i'v never thought we have found a proper position for Essien and that he dosen't really suit the 4-3-3.
Ramires is better than Romeu though, although i suspect he sees Romeu as Essien's successor.
 
We also don't have a great right winger, pretty sure Ramires spent alot of time on the right for Benfica and even Brazil at times and like i said when played there this season he has been very effective. Lampard still has alot of things which he can give to the side so im not ruling him out yet.

Then what happens to DS? I agree he can do a good job there, but you would rather that as tactical thing when needed, than constant set up.
 
1) who said anything about a top manager?

Didn't say you did, was referring to the fact that he was appointed Chelsea manager after one good season, and the Chelsea job pretty much demands a top manager.

2) its less than a season. As i psaid later its foolhardy after less than a season.

So is, IMO, appointing someone who had a good season, and only 2 years in management. Too much of a risk.

3) You get on with it, and balance both, someone like Ancelotti is capable, but he bottled it adn played safe. Again AVB knows this about Roman, and yet he is still doing it, because it has to be done

AVB is doing it because Roman both privately and publicly backed him. He never did that with anyone else. Carlo's situation was completely different (Just like every other manager's as far as I'm concerned) and comparing them makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Ramires is better than Romeu though, although i suspect he sees Romeu as Essien's successor.

I agree he is better but they are different players in my eyes, Ramires needs to try and be our successor to Lampard the whole box to box player. Romeu needs to be our Makelele stopper player.
 
Then what happens to DS? I agree he can do a good job there, but you would rather that as tactical thing when needed, than constant set up.

Sturridge in my eyes can do a job on either wing, everyone said he was a one trick pony but then started using his right alot more. All he would have to do is to the exact same thing but on the right.
 
Sturridge in my eyes can do a job on either wing, everyone said he was a one trick pony but then started using his right alot more. All he would have to do is to the exact same thing but on the right.

Or give him his chance as a striker and bench Fernandon't.
 
I agree he is better but they are different players in my eyes, Ramires needs to try and be our successor to Lampard the whole box to box player. Romeu needs to be our Makelele stopper player.

No, that is exactly what he trying not to create, that rigid system of old.
 
Didn't say you did, was referring to the fact that he was appointed Chelsea manager after one good season, and the Chelsea job pretty much demands a top manager.



So is, IMO, appointing someone who had a good season, and only 2 years in management. Too much of a risk.



AVB is doing it because Roman both privately and publicly backed him. He never did that with anyone else. Carlo's situation was completely different (Just like every other manager's as far as I'm concerned) and comparing them makes no sense whatsoever.

Mike only said Carlo bottled it. Yes, with Roman you're under extreme pressure to meet expectations. That doesn't mean he couldn't do it, he chose not to to try and save his job, which to me is the very definition of bottling it.
 
Didn't say you did, was referring to the fact that he was appointed Chelsea manager after one good season, and the Chelsea job pretty much demands a top manager.



So is, IMO, appointing someone who had a good season, and only 2 years in management. Too much of a risk.



AVB is doing it because Roman both privately and publicly backed him. He never did that with anyone else. Carlo's situation was completely different (Just like every other manager's as far as I'm concerned) and comparing them makes no sense whatsoever.


AVB started changing right from the very start, which CA didnt. CA was sacked 2nd season, he had the whole first season to try and change things and he didnt. The comparison is entirely valid.
 
Mike only said Carlo bottled it. Yes, with Roman you're under extreme pressure to meet expectations. That doesn't mean he couldn't do it, he chose not to to try and save his job, which to me is the very definition of bottling it.

No, Carlo didn't bottle it. He was appointed for glory and he achieved it wheras AVB was appointed with long term strategy, so he is trying to clear deadwood and build a team with young core. No wonder AVB with worse record than Scolari is not sacked.
 
Or that, i think he deserves a chance through the middle.



Its a system that works for me and a system he has stuck with alot of the time this season.

He is trying to make both players much more rounded. A more intelligent double pivot
 
AVB started changing right from the very start, which CA didnt. CA was sacked 2nd season, he had the whole first season to try and change things and he didnt. The comparison is entirely valid.

No. Chelsea were winning handsomely breaking all league records. Again he was appointed to win trophies and he did it. He was never given time to rebuild. Its not just manager's wish, it's upto owner what they want.

If Carlo was given the project given to AVB, he would have cleared dead wood and tbh he even did it after winning league.
 
AVB started changing right from the very start, which CA didnt. CA was sacked 2nd season, he had the whole first season to try and change things and he didnt. The comparison is entirely valid.

The side won the double in his first season so he was right not to change anything. And like i said at the beginning of the 2nd season he got rid of alot of "older" players but kept the ones who performed sensationaly well in the double winning season which just makes sence. He should have been allowed to see out his final year, he showed he would get rid of the underperforming at the end of the first season selling Deco, Ballack, Carvalho, Belletti and Cole. So whoes to say he wouldn't have got rid of the last seasons underperforming players i.e Anelka, Kalou, Drogba, Malouda and Bosingwa. Carlo was sacked for one reason and one reason only, Roman wants to be entertained and the system we was playing was very effective and it got results but it was not entertaining for Roman to watch.
 
Mike only said Carlo bottled it. Yes, with Roman you're under extreme pressure to meet expectations. That doesn't mean he couldn't do it, he chose not to to try and save his job, which to me is the very definition of bottling it.

That's very harsh on him. He had a far more gradual approach, let's not forget the likes of Lukaku, KDB, Piazon, Courtois etc. were pretty much done during Carlo's tenure. He was focused on short-term success because that was what Roman demanded, but he also set the foundations for the future.
 
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