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Should of kept AVB then, at least AVB was trying to try new players like Romeu and leave out the old guard. I also think IF he was given the time at Chelsea, he would of done well.


Agree with you on some parts there. I thought we should have backed AVB till the end of the season because under him we would have more chance of finishing 4th than bringing a new manager mid-way through the season. RDM has so far done well although Chelsea fans are getting carried away too easily, its still a long way till the end of the season and we have a tough battle for 4th place

And I agree with you that if AVB was given more time at Chelsea, he would have done very well. Unfortunately he did not get that time because he lost sight of the present. He kept saying that he was really confident for next season because he thought that the club would back him in the summer, however he forgot that our ability to attract World-Class players would be severely affected if we did not finish in 4th.
 
2 goals, 2 assists for Fernando!

Also won the corner for the first goal, was a brilliant performance but im far from being carried away.

Should of kept AVB then, at least AVB was trying to try new players like Romeu and leave out the old guard. I also think IF he was given the time at Chelsea, he would of done well.

He played players like Romeu and then dropped him for no reason. He lost the dressing room which he has to take a huge part of the blame for.
 
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No matter what people think we are decent fans, have always backed Torres from day one and will continue to do so.
 
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No matter what people think we are decent fans, have always backed Torres from day one and will continue to do so.

TORRES TORRES TORRES !!!


we are the best fans :P
 
AVB got us fighting for the 4th. AVB's tactics were pathetic and laughable.

eh? He played a high line for the first couple of games of the season, realised it wasn't going to work then stopped. Apart from that his tactics were unremarkable. He pulled off some real gems as well, like our 9 man formation vs QPR.


His subs were a mystery for all of us.
Again, a lot was made of this but I can think of a handful of subs at most that were odd. No more than you'd expect than from most managers anyway.


AVB thought this was Portugal and he was wrong.
I found it pretty depressing that a team in a supposedly inferior league (Liga Sacres) could cope with the idea of rotating roles just fine but our trio were shockingly bad at it, to the point where AVB had to play the DM as a dedicated holding midfield and slowly became resigned to the idea of occasionally playing a double pivot (which we still couldn't grasp)


Players didn't perform under AVB.
At least half the blame for that has to fall on the players. Even if you hate the manager, play for the freaking club and the fans if nothing else.


AVB was repeatedly refusing to involve the 'old guard' even though we were currently losing games.
Wasn't his brief to rejuvenate the team and to phase the older players out? Wasn't that what all the fans were calling for in the summer, a manager who would drop the older players despite their influence with the club? We got exactly what we wished for, then threw a **** fit when he wasn't magically able to make the jarring transition any smoother.


AVB had his chance, yes, its true that chance was shortened to 8 months, but you couldnt beg for more if you did what you did to this club.

If 8 months is enough of a chance then we will never see any sort of stability at the Bridge. More than that, you don't seem to think of it as a bare minimum but as something that's perfectly reasonable. To the fans of other clubs, and to other managers, it's ludicrous.


it was way too early to come to a club like this, where is way harder to succeed compared to Portugal, where there are only 2 major clubs that dominate the league.
He didn't get a chance to do what he did at Porto though, he was given someone else's team and the control of a few transfers. He was trying to change the very essence of the football we play and A. the players obviously didn't trust him B. you can't make a change from Old to Young and from Direct to Short in 8 months and a few transfers.


just the time of this appointment was too early in his career.
The problem is that we'll never know if this was true because again, he wasn't given the time to actually do the job. The only thing I think that he did that seemed immature to me was to take such a hard line with players like Alex and Anelka and even then, it can easily be said that allowing them to remain close to the centre of the club despite their limited roles would have been naive. The poor ****** couldn't possibly win: if he talks to the press, he's a naive fool who buys into their chummy act and will soon be stabbed in the back; if he doesn't talk to them, he's a petulant brat who doesn't understand the importance that these hacks hold (my personal favourite example of this is Richard Williams at The Guardian, who genuinely wrote a piece about how Fergie had slighted him over a decade after it had happened.)


If you want transition and refreshment, look at SAF, the old man is the master of that.
He has the support of the players, the grace of his old guard (who are more than happy to play the role he designates rather than moaning to the press that they're on the bench) and most importantly the time to make these changes. Look at how long it's taken them to bed in the Twins, that is something that would be near impossible under the current climate at Chelsea.


You cant buy Romeu, Meireles and get rid of Lampard. You just cant do that. Take a look at the United's old guard, still there, because those are players full with experience, exactly for games like that against Napoli. Players like (im writing them mixed here) Romeu, Pogba, Cleverly, Lukaku cant win you games. When you have Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand, Ashley Cole, Lampard, Terry, Drogba(even though I think its time for him to go, he still showed what he's capable of the other night) you have a chance, because all these names mean one thing - priceless experience. Transition must be made the way that SAF makes it, slowly, little by little. You cant just get rid of those valuable players.


This was a problem created mainly by Carlo who, despite being a great manager, was happy to squeeze every last drop out of the older players before he started really making changes. If you want to blame someone for the rapid transition look at the older managers, the club's executives and again this idea that 8 months is long enough in charge.
 
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This was a problem created mainly by Carlo who, despite being a great manager, was happy to squeeze every last drop out of the older players before he started really making changes. If you want to blame someone for the rapid transition look at the older managers, the club's executives and again this idea that 8 months is long enough in charge.

You couldn't be further from the truth with this point. In Ancelotti's first season 09/10 we won the double and our best performing players were the likes of A.Cole, Terry, Lampard, Malouda, Anelka and Drogba and that's not even up for debate to me. That summer he got rid of experienced/not as good as the other players i named/high earning/first team or back up players like Belletti, J.Cole, Deco, Ballack and Carvalho. He also signed Ramires and Luiz that season who were both 23 and Torres who was 27 so he was lowering the age a little bit. Lets not forget things were going very well (we were top of the league) until November when Roman decided he was going to win the war on his battle with Wilkins and get rid of him behind the managers back so Ancelotti's job was made much harder from that date on. As we all know Carlo wasn't given another summer because he was sacked but he proved he would get rid of the big names before so who's to say he wouldn't have done it again?
 
eh? He played a high line for the first couple of games of the season, realised it wasn't going to work then stopped. Apart from that his tactics were unremarkable. He pulled off some real gems as well, like our 9 man formation vs QPR.

Again, a lot was made of this but I can think of a handful of subs at most that were odd. No more than you'd expect than from most managers anyway.

Some tactics of his were disgraceful. Im not even talking about his unthinkable high line that he so loves, during games he just didnt know what to do, he made some bizarre subs. Kept playing Bosingwa and Meireles over Lampard till the end(Im with Lampard on this one). He just screwed up.



At least half the blame for that has to fall on the players. Even if you hate the manager, play for the freaking club and the fans if nothing else.

Agreed here. No doubt.


Wasn't his brief to rejuvenate the team and to phase the older players out? Wasn't that what all the fans were calling for in the summer, a manager who would drop the older players despite their influence with the club? We got exactly what we wished for, then threw a **** fit when he wasn't magically able to make the jarring transition any smoother.

Again, you cannot threw them all away. Majority of the fans have no grip on reality, and just dont know what they're talking about. Influence at its right dose is needed at any club worldwide. Lampard has just gone too far, no doubt. But for one thing he is right though, AVB got his mind set on the future, and lost track of the present.

Well, transition was always gonna be a hard process for him/the club, but he made it impossible for himself when told the old guard: "I dont need you, you all gonna be benchwarmers. Enjoy!" You cant do that. Its just wrong.


Im a supporter ot that idea of refreshment and getting rid of old machines, but not like that. Again, see how SAF does it.


If 8 months is enough of a chance then we will never see any sort of stability at the Bridge. More than that, you don't seem to think of it as a bare minimum but as something that's perfectly reasonable. To the fans of other clubs, and to other managers, it's ludicrous.

Not saying its enough, its nowhere near enough. but would you be satisfied if we finished 5th or 6th? We most definitely would have if AVB had stayed. WE JUST DIDNT PERFORM. NONE. No idea on the pitch, absolutely clueless. simple as that. Maybe you are one of those fans who actually dont really mind us finishing 5th or 6th? Well, i most certainly do mind mate. We cannot afford that. Not only because of our name and prestige, but also our finances will be hit.. big time.


He didn't get a chance to do what he did at Porto though, he was given someone else's team and the control of a few transfers. He was trying to change the very essence of the football we play and A. the players obviously didn't trust him B. you can't make a change from Old to Young and from Direct to Short in 8 months and a few transfers.
Agreed. Again, not enough time. but how would he expect to be given another chance (this summer), when we wouldnt even finish in the top 4? How would he be able to attract the players he wants to bring? Dont tell me: Money, my friend, money!, because money is not all that players care about. and by the way, from all the players we signed, only Cahill was AVB's choice, Lukaku and De bruyne were Roman's transfers, actually. Im curious when he will stop to buy players that HE wants, and let the current manager make his own transfers. Never? Probably.



He has the support of the players, the grace of his old guard (who are more than happy to play the role he designates rather than moaning to the press that they're on the bench) and most importantly the time to make these changes. Look at how long it's taken them to bed in the Twins, that is something that would be near impossible under the current climate at Chelsea.

true. true. true. thats why I hate Roman and his dickheads advisors. He/They just cant wait. Only if we kept Carlo........................... the man was brilliant.



As I said, I respect him, AVB, however, still think his appointment was too early. If a manager wants to manage Chelsea, he must first work on his CV, gain as much experience as he can, and then make himself available for appointment. The Chelsea job probably is one of the hardest in world football, and wouldnt be that way if Roman and his people werent so much short-sighted.
 
eh? He played a high line for the first couple of games of the season, realised it wasn't going to work then stopped. Apart from that his tactics were unremarkable. He pulled off some real gems as well, like our 9 man formation vs QPR.



Again, a lot was made of this but I can think of a handful of subs at most that were odd. No more than you'd expect than from most managers anyway.



I found it pretty depressing that a team in a supposedly inferior league (Liga Sacres) could cope with the idea of rotating roles just fine but our trio were shockingly bad at it, to the point where AVB had to play the DM as a dedicated holding midfield and slowly became resigned to the idea of occasionally playing a double pivot (which we still couldn't grasp)



At least half the blame for that has to fall on the players. Even if you hate the manager, play for the freaking club and the fans if nothing else.



Wasn't his brief to rejuvenate the team and to phase the older players out? Wasn't that what all the fans were calling for in the summer, a manager who would drop the older players despite their influence with the club? We got exactly what we wished for, then threw a **** fit when he wasn't magically able to make the jarring transition any smoother.




If 8 months is enough of a chance then we will never see any sort of stability at the Bridge. More than that, you don't seem to think of it as a bare minimum but as something that's perfectly reasonable. To the fans of other clubs, and to other managers, it's ludicrous.



He didn't get a chance to do what he did at Porto though, he was given someone else's team and the control of a few transfers. He was trying to change the very essence of the football we play and A. the players obviously didn't trust him B. you can't make a change from Old to Young and from Direct to Short in 8 months and a few transfers.



The problem is that we'll never know if this was true because again, he wasn't given the time to actually do the job. The only thing I think that he did that seemed immature to me was to take such a hard line with players like Alex and Anelka and even then, it can easily be said that allowing them to remain close to the centre of the club despite their limited roles would have been naive. The poor ****** couldn't possibly win: if he talks to the press, he's a naive fool who buys into their chummy act and will soon be stabbed in the back; if he doesn't talk to them, he's a petulant brat who doesn't understand the importance that these hacks hold (my personal favourite example of this is Richard Williams at The Guardian, who genuinely wrote a piece about how Fergie had slighted him over a decade after it had happened.)



He has the support of the players, the grace of his old guard (who are more than happy to play the role he designates rather than moaning to the press that they're on the bench) and most importantly the time to make these changes. Look at how long it's taken them to bed in the Twins, that is something that would be near impossible under the current climate at Chelsea.





This was a problem created mainly by Carlo who, despite being a great manager, was happy to squeeze every last drop out of the older players before he started really making changes. If you want to blame someone for the rapid transition look at the older managers, the club's executives and again this idea that 8 months is long enough in charge.

Nail hit on head. Still amazed by the number of Chelsea fans (though i stress that this wasnt the view of all Chelsea fans) who went from screaming to the hills they had the best young manager, to saying he was too inexperienced and never should have been hired. Doesn't wash, we all knew about his (lack of) experience before he started, didnt bother them then.
 
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Nail hit on head. Still amazed by the number of Chelsea fans (though i stress that this wasnt the view of all Chelsea fans) who went from screaming to the hills they had the best young manager, to saying he was too inexperienced and never should have been hired. Doesn't wash, we all knew about his (lack of) experience before he started, didnt bother them then.

are you referring to me in that post mate? Never got too carried away when he signed. I was excited, yes, but was never sure he is the right man for the job, only because I know how Roman thinks.
 
Nail hit on head. Still amazed by the number of Chelsea fans (though i stress that this wasnt the view of all Chelsea fans) who went from screaming to the hills they had the best young manager, to saying he was too inexperienced and never should have been hired. Doesn't wash, we all knew about his (lack of) experience before he started, didnt bother them then.

That was because most of them thought they were getting Mourinho.
 
That was because most of them thought they were getting Mourinho.

Not at all, its because he was coming in after leading Porto to such a sensational season. Also he was highly thought of when he was at Chelsea before. Only people who don't understand football would think he was another Mourinho.
 
are you referring to me in that post mate? Never got too carried away when he signed. I was excited, yes, but was never sure he is the right man for the job, only because I know how Roman thinks.

I was talking in general.

There were two huge things that had to be considered when taking him on:

1) this was a job that could not begin to be judged for certainly the first season, if not the second as well.
2) There would always be a decent risk that Chelsea could finish outside the top 4 while undergoing this change.

If the Chelsea heirarchy/fans were uncomfortable with either point, then he shouldnt have been hired.
 
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That was because most of them thought they were getting Mourinho.

They never had a chance, Mourinho's ego/pride is far too big, considering how Roman treated him. I can only see him at one club in England realistically, Manchester City.
 
I was talking in general.

There two huge things that had to be considered when taking him on:

1) this was a job that could not begin to be judged for certainly the first season, if not the second as well.
2) There would always be a decent risk that Chelsea could finish outside the top 4 while undergoing this change.

If the Chelsea heirarchy/fans were uncomfortable with either point, then he shouldnt have been hired.

Im more than uncomfortable with finishing outside top 4. But thats me. Others here think that it wouldnt be a huge problem.
 
I was talking in general.

There were two huge things that had to be considered when taking him on:

1) this was a job that could not begin to be judged for certainly the first season, if not the second as well.
2) There would always be a decent risk that Chelsea could finish outside the top 4 while undergoing this change.

If the Chelsea heirarchy/fans were uncomfortable with either point, then he shouldnt have been hired.

Finishing in the top 4 would have been a must for Roman and AVB whether we were in transition or not. Chelsea budget themselves on getting Champions League football so not getting it for one season could massivly effect the club in the long term i.e attracting signings or even having the funds to sign players.
 
Would you rather see a Chelsea side finishing anything between 3rd and 5th for a couple of seasons, then achieving true stability and having success for the next decade. Or just see them finish as high as possible while burning through managers who don't have enpugh time to leave their own stamp on the club? It's either immediate gratification or deferred gratification which in my opinion would be best, look at the leading examples of this, SAF and Moyes, spesh the latter because of the serious lack of funds available to him but have done so well because he is running it how he wants to.
 
Finishing in the top 4 would have been a must for Roman and AVB whether we were in transition or not. Chelsea budget themselves on getting Champions League football so not getting it for one season could massivly effect the club in the long term i.e attracting signings or even having the funds to sign players.

Then signing him with that in mind is a complete folly. To then sack him at this point was another mistake.
 
Would you rather see a Chelsea side finishing anything between 3rd and 5th for a couple of seasons, then achieving true stability and having success for the next decade. Or just see them finish as high as possible while burning through managers who don't have enpugh time to leave their own stamp on the club? It's either immediate gratification or deferred gratification which in my opinion would be best, look at the leading examples of this, SAF and Moyes, spesh the latter because of the serious lack of funds available to him but have done so well because he is running it how he wants to.

I'd love to see a manager long term in charge of Chelsea but if i don't and we just keep getting manager after manager and winning something every couple of years i'd take that.
 
Then signing him with that in mind is a complete folly. To then sack him at this point was another mistake.

It wasn't just that like i said, he lost the dressing room which he has to take blame for.
 
Im more than uncomfortable with finishing outside top 4. But thats me. Others here think that it wouldnt be a huge problem.

Losing a year of CL football and gaining a year of transition is more beneficial than gaining a year of CL and losing a year of transition.
 
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