The Chelsea Thread

[cfc12345]

Congratulations to Torres and Mata who both scored and won the euros with Spain Also congrats to Torres who also picks up the golden boot

 

[TheRealMourinho]

Fernando Torres, First player to score in consecutive finals. <3

 

[BlueHeart26]

Fernando Torres is the first player to score in two European Championship finals.

I know Torres haters love stats so much, so here's some for you out there: 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup, 1 European Championship + The Golden Boot.

Oh, he is so ****.

 

[zzeezzy]

Fernando Torres is the first player to score in two European Championship finals.

I know Torres haters love stats so much, so here's some for you out there: 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup, 1 European Championship + The Golden Boot.

Oh, he is so ****.

Next season is when I will judge him personally, I mean Italy were completely dead and buried when he got that goal tonight, can't really say it was a great achievement scoring against Ireland either.

 

[ChrisBird]

To be fair their is no point in reverting to a 4-2-3-1 to suit one player because our squad is well suited to a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3... Ramires can do a terrific job on the wing in a 4-2-3-1 and also do a fantastic job in a CM role in a 4-3-3. Not to mention he can also act as a energetic shuttler in a double pivot alongside Mikel/Romeu if needed.

On Jovetic.. All the minor publications have gone with us making a 25m bid. I dont know how likely his transfer is. I metioned before that with the versatilty Marin, Hazard, Mata, Jovetic, Sturridge offer us there are a lot of options we can play around with so I do not think anyone will have problems getting games.

If its just a rumour then I will say its well-thought out one by the newspapers for a change

Hmm, agreed.

Mata never said he prefers to play in the hole. But its obvious that its his best position. He was better there for Chelsea than Silva was for Man City inb my opinion. Getting Hazard and Marin remove some of that creative burden from his shoulders making him even more effective

Also last season you could see how much we needed a regisgta. Mata was continually forced to drop deep to allow us to transition from defence to attack because our CMs were incapable of doing so. This took Mata away from the areas where he was most effective ... If we get Modric then this will truly lift Mata's game to another level as he will not be forced to drop deep anymore

Also Hazard said CAM is his favourite position. But realistically he was never going to be able to play the #10 role at any of the Manchester Clubs or Chelsea. Man Utd have Rooney, Man City have Silva and we have Mata. And Mike. said that he actually has only played 10 games there for Lille. Hazards best position is on the left... Can destroy a full-back inside or outside and in any case we need that creativity from the wings which we have missed since the Duff/Robben days

Mata may well have been forced to come deep, but he does that naturally and will continue to next season regardless. I don't think it's obvious at all that it's his best position. Mata is at his best when he's given freedom to roam; this can be done on the left or in the centre. For some reason, people seem to think Mata was miles better when he moved from left to centre, but that's not true! It made the team a lot better, but not Mata that much – apart from that it meant he did not have to defend as much – giving him more freedom. If we'd have had Modrić last season, I doubt Mata would have gone central, as he wouldn't have been needed as much. Also, Silva didn't really play #10 – he played CAM for City a grand total of... 4 games... Then there's Mata who played CAM 9 times, so that's 1 less than Hazard!

Hazard has said CAM is his best and favourite position, and it is, by some way! I've watched Hazard a lot over the past 2 years (nearly all games for LOSC and Belgium last season) and he's much more effective in CAM. He may well have only started (he played more times there, but not always from the start) 10 times in CAM for LOSC, but it's no coincidence that he had his best assists to minutes and goals to minutes and that LOSC had their best results when he played there. When Hazard didn't play CAM, it was because Rudi Garcia opted for 4-3-3 (which he played a lot), where there's obviously no CAM (in the 4-3-3 LOSC played, anyway). CAM is certainly his best position, not LW, though he's still very good on the wing.

So, if we opt for 4-2-3-1, there's no need for Mata centrally, because he switched there because of the lack of creativity, but with Hazard there, and hopefully a regista, Mata can go back to the wing.

 

[CJACKO11]

I would welcome Maicon very much indeed, as already been said on here we have Todd Kane coming through the ranks and Maicon can fill a void for 2-3 years. Lets be honest, he is better defensively and attacking than Bosingwa so he is a major improvement. He can rotate with Brana (who is and should be our first choice RB) as least we forget we could end up playing 60odd games next season.

Congrats to Mata and Torres and was really good and encouraging to see them linking up for the 4th goal. Reminded me of the goal Torres laid on a plate for Mata against Leverkusen early in the season. Few stats for everyone to look at.

This season Mata scored on his Premierleague, FA Cup, Champions League and European Championship debut.

Torres 3 goals, 1 assist, 189 minutes played - Gomez 3 goals, 1 assist (mis-hit shot), 282 mins played.

Torres first player to score in two separate Euro finals.

 

[CJACKO11]

Also look at this utter bullcrap!!!!! Of course published by the daily mail!!!
John Terry: PSG plot £8m bid for Chelsea captain | Mail Online

 

[Irish Scouse]

Also look at this utter bullcrap!!!!! Of course published by the daily mail!!!
John Terry: PSG plot £8m bid for Chelsea captain | Mail Online

Not just the Mail reporting it.

 

[TheRealMourinho]

Also look at this utter bullcrap!!!!! Of course published by the daily mail!!!
John Terry: PSG plot £8m bid for Chelsea captain | Mail Online

Oh no! Please dont sell him Di Matteo!!!!! :'( :'( :'(


^Clear Sarcasm...

 

[Alcaraz]

Maicon looking likely now. Reports in Italy saying reported fee is 6m pounds which is slightly expensive but meh...

 

[Alcaraz]

Not been doctored. Just excellent timing from the photographer


And....

Lol

 

[Alcaraz]

Mata may well have been forced to come deep, but he does that naturally and will continue to next season regardless. I don't think it's obvious at all that it's his best position. Mata is at his best when he's given freedom to roam; this can be done on the left or in the centre.

I do not think Mata will come deep if we get a regista. The reason why Mata was forced deep is due to the fact that our CMs were incapable of linking midfield and attack which forced Mata to come deep and do it for them. With a regista, Mata will probably stay in the area where he is most effective and that is the final third

For some reason, people seem to think Mata was miles better when he moved from left to centre, but that's not true! It made the team a lot better, but not Mata that much – apart from that it meant he did not have to defend as much – giving him more freedom. If we'd have had Modrić last season, I doubt Mata would have gone central, as he wouldn't have been needed as much. Also, Silva didn't really play #10 – he played CAM for City a grand total of... 4 games... Then there's Mata who played CAM 9 times, so that's 1 less than Hazard!

tbh Hazard played those 10 games as CAM over 3 seasons I think so not much basis for comparison there.

If we had Modric, in all likelihood we would have stuck with a 4-3-3. When we played 4-3-3, our midfield was totally unbalanced due to the lack of a adept deep passer and Modric would have solved that.

Hazard has said CAM is his best and favourite position, and it is, by some way! I've watched Hazard a lot over the past 2 years (nearly all games for LOSC and Belgium last season) and he's much more effective in CAM. He may well have only started (he played more times there, but not always from the start) 10 times in CAM for LOSC, but it's no coincidence that he had his best assists to minutes and goals to minutes and that LOSC had their best results when he played there. When Hazard didn't play CAM, it was because Rudi Garcia opted for 4-3-3 (which he played a lot), where there's obviously no CAM (in the 4-3-3 LOSC played, anyway). CAM is certainly his best position, not LW, though he's still very good on the wing.

Yes but if you look at the qualities of Mata and Hazard. It would be better to play Hazard in a more expressive role as a LW with Mata as a CAM

Because Hazard possesses blistering pace and acceleration which Mata does not. Dont get me wrong Mata is fast but Hazard is way faster which is important when he wants to beat the full-back on the outside

Mata is more adept in providing the final pass while Hazard is better at getting onto it. Hope that makes sense.

Hazard has a knack for unbalancing opponents in the box which wins him a lot of penalties.

But again your right that Hazard's stats does shoot up when he plays CAM. So RDM has a decision to make here. Its not that Mata cannot play LW well, its just that looking at these 2 players I think its better to play Hazard as LW and Mata as CAM

Would be fascinating to see if RDM ever tries to play Hazard as a False Nine in a 4-3-3. He is certainly capable of doing the role and we have the midfield runners (Ramires, Lampard) and direct option from the wings (Sturridge) who can exploit the space Hazard creates

 

[Alcaraz]

 

[BlueHeart26]

Do you think if AVB was named Spurs manager, Modric wouldnt come?

 

[oja20]

Some of the comments on Maicon to Chelsea are hilarious (not on here). I saw a bandwagon going on about this is why England are rubbish at International level, surely buying Debuchy, Azip, some other bloke would be worse for England than a 31 year old being backup/rotated for a 28 year old.

Kane/whoever else can go on loan and get some experience and by the time hes back Maicon will be gone thus he gets to play! It isn't that hard to understand, right?

Genuinely don't mind if he isn't as good as he used to be, he's better than Bosingwa so I'm happy. He's also overrated on Fifa which is great.

 

[ChrisBird]

I do not think Mata will come deep if we get a regista. The reason why Mata was forced deep is due to the fact that our CMs were incapable of linking midfield and attack which forced Mata to come deep and do it for them. With a regista, Mata will probably stay in the area where he is most effective and that is the final third



tbh Hazard played those 10 games as CAM over 3 seasons I think so not much basis for comparison there.

If we had Modric, in all likelihood we would have stuck with a 4-3-3. When we played 4-3-3, our midfield was totally unbalanced due to the lack of a adept deep passer and Modric would have solved that.




Yes but if you look at the qualities of Mata and Hazard. It would be better to play Hazard in a more expressive role as a LW with Mata as a CAM

Because Hazard possesses blistering pace and acceleration which Mata does not. Dont get me wrong Mata is fast but Hazard is way faster which is important when he wants to beat the full-back on the outside

Mata is more adept in providing the final pass while Hazard is better at getting onto it. Hope that makes sense.

Hazard has a knack for unbalancing opponents in the box which wins him a lot of penalties.

But again your right that Hazard's stats does shoot up when he plays CAM. So RDM has a decision to make here. Its not that Mata cannot play LW well, its just that looking at these 2 players I think its better to play Hazard as LW and Mata as CAM

Would be fascinating to see if RDM ever tries to play Hazard as a False Nine in a 4-3-3. He is certainly capable of doing the role and we have the midfield runners (Ramires, Lampard) and direct option from the wings (Sturridge) who can exploit the space Hazard creates

No, those 10 games that Hazard played were this season, but he didn't play there much before this season.

Mata comes deep naturally. I'm not saying he will do it as much, but he still will do. He came deep to get the ball a few times last night for Spain and he was only on for 5 minutes!

I agree with some of your points, but Hazard's pace can be just as effective in CAM, and for me that is where he's a lot more effective, more so than Mata. And IMO, Mata provides more natural width, even though he will still drift central, he won't as much as Hazard.

Playing Hazard as false 9 would be interesting, not sure we'd try it in PL though (I would just can't see Robbie doing it), but maybe we'd try it in CL.

 

[CJACKO11]

Maicon looking likely now. Reports in Italy saying reported fee is 6m pounds which is slightly expensive but meh...

I think its a decent fee, lets not forget 2-3 years ago he was touted as the best right back in the world. He comes with bags of experience and is much better than Bosingwa when defending and attacking. Also have to take into count his wages which will be quite high, personally i'd say 6mill is a snip.

Do you think if AVB was named Spurs manager, Modric wouldnt come?

I think Spurs want to sell him this summer but will only do on their terms which is what may stop any move happening.

Some of the comments on Maicon to Chelsea are hilarious (not on here). I saw a bandwagon going on about this is why England are rubbish at International level, surely buying Debuchy, Azip, some other bloke would be worse for England than a 31 year old being backup/rotated for a 28 year old.

Kane/whoever else can go on loan and get some experience and by the time hes back Maicon will be gone thus he gets to play! It isn't that hard to understand, right?

Genuinely don't mind if he isn't as good as he used to be, he's better than Bosingwa so I'm happy. He's also overrated on Fifa which is great.

Exactly what i said as soon as this Maicon thing came out, Kane needs games at a first team level and on loan may be the way to go for the lad. Maicon play rotation with Brana for 2 odd years and then Kane comes back with 2 years experience and we can see if he is good enough to replace Maicon.

 

[TheRealMourinho]

Dont know how many of you have liked the Chelsea fan pages on Facebook but most of the **** that is said there is terrible!
The lack of knowledge is incredible, and yet they are so stubborn.

The other day there was a Modric transfer rumour posted and someone commented " Why do we need another playmaker? We have Lampard." -.-

 

[CJACKO11]

Dont know how many of you have liked the Chelsea fan pages on Facebook but most of the **** that is said there is terrible!
The lack of knowledge is incredible, and yet they are so stubborn.

The other day there was a Modric transfer rumour posted and someone commented " Why do we need another playmaker? We have Lampard." -.-

I am on a few, one is terrible but it is an unoffical podcast one which if you don't listen too i advise you too because it is the nuts (Chelsea football fancast). But Lampard played that role towards the end of the season to great effect but Modric would be an upgrade no doubt.

 

[Alcaraz]

Apparently Chelsea are preparing a bid of 4m for highly-rated Southamption LB Luke Shaw. Been descirbed as very gifted technically by Sir Trevor Brooking and Southampton manager Nigel Adkins said he would fight tooth and nail to keep him although a 4m bid would be too hard to resist

At only 17, I'd say he is still 3-4 years away from any first-team action although if he comes I am sure he will be of big help in the NextGen series as well as help us defend the FA Youth Cup along with Charly Musonda Jr and Islam Feruz

Also Moses agent came out and said he would do everything in his power to make sure Moses moves to Chelsea if Wigan and Chelsea agree on a price. Dave Whelan wants 12m and I personally think he is off his rocker especially as Moses is in the last year of his contract and we got Marin for nearly hald that price. Chelsea preparing to come back with a 6m offer

And some rather unreliable sources say Daniel Sturridge is being monitered by Tottenham. Actually makes sense since Spurs have only one recognised striker and Sturridge is young and coming off a good season and has only falled down the pecking order at Chelsea. I would grab a Sturridge+20m for Modric deal in a second and get Moses/Jovetic to replace him