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The deal is really confusing me to be honest, he plays the number 10 role and i believe we have two who can do that role already.

I see what you mean, I doubt Oscar will be a first team regular straight away, but it is quite weird to sign a CAM when we have Mata and Hazard. I mean, both are better in the central role instead of the flanks.
 
Says a lot to be able to sign someone for 25m to sit as third choice in the side! Presumably Hazard/Oscar/Mata would be a pretty tricky combination across the front with a striker playing ahead, and all have years left. Perhaps Roman intends his intended "beautiful football" side to start using a false 9 like Spain so he needs the extra midfielder.. depends entirely on what RDM/Roman have in mind now that Drogba's physical presence is gone.
 
Chelsea signings are getting a lot more confusing i dont see any positive point of Oscar signing while you have kevin/marin who also play similar roles.
 
What a waste of 25m that would be, for Chelsea's sake hope nothing comes of it.
 
Just because our views are different to yours does not in any way make them biased! When Giggs done the dirty my opinion of him as a football BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HE IS did not change, same with Rooney, Cole and whoever else you want to chuck in the mix.

What they are saying is a captain needs to lead by example in all aspects.. Public image is also part of being a captain, If you get proven of racism in a court of law, which needs substantial evidence to be found guilty then you public image is no longer as strong as it was, and will look bad on the club keeping him as the captain

No doubt he is a leader on the pitch and has the respect of the dressing room, but surely you can see why people are saying this? take your Chelsea tinted glasses off and see the bigger picture
 
I see what you mean, I doubt Oscar will be a first team regular straight away, but it is quite weird to sign a CAM when we have Mata and Hazard. I mean, both are better in the central role instead of the flanks.

Says a lot to be able to sign someone for 25m to sit as third choice in the side! Presumably Hazard/Oscar/Mata would be a pretty tricky combination across the front with a striker playing ahead, and all have years left. Perhaps Roman intends his intended "beautiful football" side to start using a false 9 like Spain so he needs the extra midfielder.. depends entirely on what RDM/Roman have in mind now that Drogba's physical presence is gone.

I agree with what both of you are saying but maybe Oscar is not being lined up for the #10 role...

Have a look at these excellent articles written on Oscar- Article 1 and Article 2

Their is a strong argument to be made that Oscar can make the transition from a #10 to a regista role....

He is two-footed meaning he can pass with both feet. Excellent Composure. He can pass while on the run. He is adept at playing diagonals, through balls and lofted balls from deep positions. Interesting point to note is that he usually drops deep from his #10 role anyways to play a part in the build-up. He plays with his head up and has excellent balance

Not to mention he is very versatile. He can play anywhere in the band of 3 behind the striker as well. Also very young at 20 and at a club that are willing to sell.

Many people believe he can make the transition to a 'regista'. He has the technique, work-rate, passing and composure to do it. Maybe he was even being brought to Spurs as a replacement for Luka Modric? It would certainly make sense as Spurs just bought Gylfi and has not yet sold Van Der Vaart.

Also Oscar can say what he likes about staying... One of his agents Carlos Meinberg said '"Chelsea did offer €25 million, but there is still no agreement between the clubs, that may happen in the next few days,"


His main agent Giuliano Bertolucci is also Ramires and David Luiz's agent.

I like Oscar a lot. For 25m Euro's we can not only shore up depth in the attacking positions but also get a regista at around half the price for Modric. Obviously Oscar will have to make the transition but I think he can do it.


Chelsea signings are getting a lot more confusing i dont see any positive point of Oscar signing while you have kevin/marin who also play similar roles.

Sorry mate but your wrong here. Marin/De Bruyne are more of conventional wingers while Oscar is a #10 who can play on the wings if needed
 
Thank you for looking at the whole picture and not taking a biased view. Yeh that was basically the point I was trying to make.

So when are you going to start criticizing Pearce for making Giggs Team GB Captain?
 
What a waste of 25m that would be, for Chelsea's sake hope nothing comes of it.

Mate many people decribe Oscar as a 'typical Brazilian #10' which I think is far from the truth. Have a look at his play in the International friendlies for Brazil. He drops very deep to receive the ball. Most of the time he does receive them in deep positions where he usually moves to help the defense.

Defnitely not a typical #10.
 
Being racist and sleeping with your brothers wife are seen completely differently in society.

His point was that you should be a role-model or have a clean image. Does not matter how racism or cheating is seen to what extent in society- Both are morally bad things to do and in that case, Giggs should not even be Team GB Captain as he is not a 'role-model'
 
Would still take Modric any day though... Just saying Oscar may be a good signing as well considering what he can do with his natural skill-set in the future
 
His point was that you should be a role-model or have a clean image. Does not matter how racism or cheating is seen to what extent in society- Both are morally bad things to do and in that case, Giggs should not even be Team GB Captain as he is not a 'role-model'

agree to a certain extent, but being proven of racism in a court is serious, it shows there is substantial proof that you are guilty... Look what happened when Liverpool stuck up for Suarez, affected the clubs image a lot, and we got criticised hugely for it.. would be a shame for Chelsea to go down the same road

all of this obviously is IF terry is found guilty, no-one knows yet
 
agree to a certain extent, but being proven of racism in a court is serious, it shows there is substantial proof that you are guilty... Look what happened when Liverpool stuck up for Suarez, affected the clubs image a lot, and we got criticised hugely for it.. would be a shame for Chelsea to go down the same road

all of this obviously is IF terry is found guilty, no-one knows yet

To be fair though, the only reason this matter is in court is because a member of public complained about it. Anton Ferdinand did not even hear the racist remarks 'supposedly' thrown at him from Terry.

What irkes me though is when Rio Ferdinand posts **** on twitter basically calling JT a liar like he has any evidence other than a Youtube Video Clip to prove his accusations. Not to mention Anton Ferdinand saying how insulting is banter but when you take it to racism, its another level.

So basically provoking someone on a subject which cost him the England Captaincy and a friendship not to mention made him the target of millions of insults and hatred is only banter but Racism is another level. Excellent

Also JT and Anton met after the match and sorted out whatever words they exchanged on the pitch as banter proving that Anton did provoke JT
 
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I agree with what both of you are saying but maybe Oscar is not being lined up for the #10 role...

Have a look at these excellent articles written on Oscar- Article 1 and Article 2

Their is a strong argument to be made that Oscar can make the transition from a #10 to a regista role....

He is two-footed meaning he can pass with both feet. Excellent Composure. He can pass while on the run. He is adept at playing diagonals, through balls and lofted balls from deep positions. Interesting point to note is that he usually drops deep from his #10 role anyways to play a part in the build-up. He plays with his head up and has excellent balance

Not to mention he is very versatile. He can play anywhere in the band of 3 behind the striker as well. Also very young at 20 and at a club that are willing to sell.

Many people believe he can make the transition to a 'regista'. He has the technique, work-rate, passing and composure to do it. Maybe he was even being brought to Spurs as a replacement for Luka Modric? It would certainly make sense as Spurs just bought Gylfi and has not yet sold Van Der Vaart.

Also Oscar can say what he likes about staying... One of his agents Carlos Meinberg said '"Chelsea did offer €25 million, but there is still no agreement between the clubs, that may happen in the next few days,"


His main agent Giuliano Bertolucci is also Ramires and David Luiz's agent.

I like Oscar a lot. For 25m Euro's we can not only shore up depth in the attacking positions but also get a regista at around half the price for Modric. Obviously Oscar will have to make the transition but I think he can do it.




Sorry mate but your wrong here. Marin/De Bruyne are more of conventional wingers while Oscar is a #10 who can play on the wings if needed

Interesting point there. Wonder if he's actually being bought for that particular reason. If not, then like Mike said, complete waste of 25m.
 
To be fair though, the only reason this matter is in court is because a member of public complained about it. Anton Ferdinand did not even hear the racist remarks 'supposedly' thrown at him from Terry.

What irkes me though is when Rio Ferdinand posts **** on twitter basically calling JT a liar like he has any evidence other than a Youtube Video Clip to prove his accusations. Not to mention Anton Ferdinand saying how insulting is banter but when you take it to racism, its another level.

So basically provoking someone on a subject which cost him the England Captaincy and a friendship not to mention made him the target of millions of insults and hatred is only banter but Racism is another level. Excellent

Also JT and Anton met after the match and sorted out whatever words they exchanged on the pitch as banter proving that Anton did provoke JT
Are you really trying to make Anton Ferdinand the bad guy, and Terry the victim in this. Not even going to start on how flawed that is.

The remarks are apparently on video. Ferdinand doesnt have to hear it for it to still be wrong. And it is another level, there is a reason why there are a mass of criminal laws around it.

Terry denied saying, then said his remarks were sarcastic. Which means he lied originally, no?

No player is perfect, but there is a difference between being a bit of a ***, and getting done for racism by a court of law.

Let's not kid ourselves here, at no point does Terry have to respond the way he did. If it costs him the England captaincy and whatever else its his own fault.
 
Interesting point there. Wonder if he's actually being bought for that particular reason. If not, then like Mike said, complete waste of 25m.

Agree with you here. Modric+New RW/LW would still be the ideal scenario but in terms of cost and what he can bring to the table in the future, Oscar is as good a bet as any.

Lets see what happens.
 
Are you really trying to make Anton Ferdinand the bad guy, and Terry the victim in this. Not even going to start on how flawed that is.

The remarks are apparently on video. Ferdinand doesnt have to hear it for it to still be wrong. And it is another level, there is a reason why there are a mass of criminal laws around it.

Terry denied saying, then said his remarks were sarcastic. Which means he lied originally, no?

No player is perfect, but there is a difference between being a bit of a ***, and getting done for racism by a court of law.

Let's not kid ourselves here, at no point does Terry have to respond the way he did. If it costs him the England captaincy and whatever else its his own fault.


Not trying to make Anton Ferdinand the bad guy at all. Just no need for him and his brother to play the victim or the 'racism' card for that matter

Terry never denied saying it. From what I remember he admitted to saying the words except he argued it had been intepreted in the wrong context. I may be wrong though but thats what I remember.

I never tried to defend Terry at all. Read my earlier posts and you would know I agree with any punishment meted out to him. I am just irked by how the Ferdinand's have behaved in this situation where Anton Ferdinand is also in the wrong for provoking Terry in the first place and their is no need for him to go around pretending he is the victim
 
Not trying to make Anton Ferdinand the bad guy at all. Just no need for him and his brother to play the victim or the 'racism' card for that matter

Terry never denied saying it. From what I remember he admitted to saying the words except he argued it had been intepreted in the wrong context. I may be wrong though but thats what I remember.

I never tried to defend Terry at all. Read my earlier posts and you would know I agree with any punishment meted out to him. I am just irked by how the Ferdinand's have behaved in this situation where Anton Ferdinand is also in the wrong for provoking Terry in the first place and their is no need for him to go around pretending he is the victim

How on earth has he played the victim card?! This is nonsense. He was allegedly racially abused. That automatically makes him a victim. Nor has he played the racism card. Sorry, but that is just wrong. Anton hasn't played anything or done anything, apart from testify. Rio has called Terry out on what he said, and backed his brother, much like you are backing Terry.

Calling someone a black **** is racism. By UK law. There is not getting away from that, there is no card to be played. If that is what he said, there is no getting round that. Just because they got into an argument, doesnt mean Terry gets to use that. Early on he denied saying it, that was before charges were made.

It's nonsense to suggest he is playing card here, and Gordon Taylor is right, its remarks like that leave racism in the game because people get unfairly targeted for "playing the race card".
 
Racism is racism simple as. Terry gets found guilty all respect for him that i had will go flying out the window. There is no victim card being played here just the racism card....allegedly.

Actually I'll rephrase-respect for him has gone as a person for saying it in the first place.
 
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