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It's disgusting that some Chelsea "fans" started to almost love the guy. He did good, but nothing more. As Carl said, win or lose tonight, what I think about him won't change.

Why is it disgusting? Because they don't share your view? Get over it, if you are entitled to loathe him, they are entitled to love him.
 
Never understood the amount or love a man who almost got west brom relegated gets. If his name was anything other than Di Matteo he'd be distinctly average, can count the number of non-Chelsea fans who think he was anything other than extremely lucky on one hand. Benitez equals his win rate playing more difficult fixtures, with about 12 players playing every 3 days with no help in the transfer market and no good striker. I imagine Benitez would turn a fair few draws into wins if he had a fearsome striker up front, like say, drogba.

All things considered, he's done a fairly good job, unfortunately.
 
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Never understood the amount or love a man who almost got west brom relegated gets. If his name was anything other than Di Matteo he'd be distinctly average, can count the number of non-Chelsea fans who think he was anything other than extremely lucky on one hand. Benitez equals his win rate playing more difficult fixtures, with about 12 players playing every 3 days with no help in the transfer market and no good striker. I imagine Benitez would turn a fair few draws into wins if he had a fearsome striker up front, like say, drogba.

All things considered, he's done a fairly good job, unfortunately.

Nailed it.
 
I'd have rather seen RDM leave last summer on a hire rather than being sacked after one bit of poor form which was allways going to be Romans intention as he didn't even want to higher RDM in the first place just has too much pressure from everybody to do so as RDM won the champions league.

on Rafa I am still not a fan of him but he has earned some respect for me and I thank him for managing to lead the club to a place in next seasons Champions League and weather we win or not tonight I thank him for managing to lead us to a European final.
 
Never understood the amount or love a man who almost got west brom relegated gets. If his name was anything other than Di Matteo he'd be distinctly average, can count the number of non-Chelsea fans who think he was anything other than extremely lucky on one hand. Benitez equals his win rate playing more difficult fixtures, with about 12 players playing every 3 days with no help in the transfer market and no good striker. I imagine Benitez would turn a fair few draws into wins if he had a fearsome striker up front, like say, drogba.

All things considered, he's done a fairly good job, unfortunately.

In different circumstances I'm sure Di Matteo could steer the ship safely to CL spot. But with 70 games in a season, no bench, and he has what, 5 months of experience managing top club? Ouch. That just sounds like bad trouble. He didn't even rotate his squad much at first, I think the first thing that Rafa did was benching one player from midfield trio.
 
Di Matteo > Benitez. And I'm speaking as Untied fan, so I'm not biased, not at all. I would be scared (for Chelsea) if Di Matteo stayed.
 
Its an absolutely shocking read, poorly put together and full of absolute **** which make no sense what so ever.

It's a shame, because buried somewhere amongst all the vacuous bullshit and massive grasps for cogent points there's honestly some interesting nuggets that COULD form a decent argument.

Never understood the amount or love a man who almost got west brom relegated gets. If his name was anything other than Di Matteo he'd be distinctly average, can count the number of non-Chelsea fans who think he was anything other than extremely lucky on one hand. Benitez equals his win rate playing more difficult fixtures, with about 12 players playing every 3 days with no help in the transfer market and no good striker. I imagine Benitez would turn a fair few draws into wins if he had a fearsome striker up front, like say, drogba.

All things considered, he's done a fairly good job, unfortunately.

You answered your own question with the first few words.

I'm loath to criticise Di Matteo TOO much, because I know that if Martin Laursen came back to Villa, rebuilt the relationship between fans and the club, rescued a wobbling season and then won us the Champions League against all odds and far superior teams all in one year, I'd defend him to the ****** hilt and wouldn't hear a bad word against it.

I often think United fans' views are somewhat warped by the years of success, and I think this might be one example of it. It's easy for you to say "oh it's just a CL, he's still rubbish" and "oh just because he used to play for Chelsea" but that's missing the point rather handsomely. Having a man who connects with the club so deeply lead it to the greatest prize of them all against all odds forges something of a strong bond.

Yeah, we all know Di Matteo's pretty average. Even many Chelsea fans know deep down that he simply isn't as good a manager as Benitez. But they'd prefer Di Matteo, and that's fine. It's illogical, but fine. Football isn't all about logic - and this is coming from someone who spends big chunks of his time attempting to find the logic, the stats and the hard facts about football - and we've all done plenty more illogical things in support of our club. I, for one, remain deluded that next year will be the year Agbonlahor blossoms into a beastly all-round forward capable of pulling the team one handed to a top ten finish. I'm pretty sure it ain't true - it hasn't been for about four years now - but just because I know I'm wrong doesn't mean I shouldn't stop holding that view. It isn't hurting anyone, after all.
 
It's a shame, because buried somewhere amongst all the vacuous bullshit and massive grasps for cogent points there's honestly some interesting nuggets that COULD form a decent argument.



You answered your own question with the first few words.

I'm loath to criticise Di Matteo TOO much, because I know that if Martin Laursen came back to Villa, rebuilt the relationship between fans and the club, rescued a wobbling season and then won us the Champions League against all odds and far superior teams all in one year, I'd defend him to the ****** hilt and wouldn't hear a bad word against it.

I often think United fans' views are somewhat warped by the years of success, and I think this might be one example of it. It's easy for you to say "oh it's just a CL, he's still rubbish" and "oh just because he used to play for Chelsea" but that's missing the point rather handsomely. Having a man who connects with the club so deeply lead it to the greatest prize of them all against all odds forges something of a strong bond.

Yeah, we all know Di Matteo's pretty average. Even many Chelsea fans know deep down that he simply isn't as good a manager as Benitez. But they'd prefer Di Matteo, and that's fine. It's illogical, but fine. Football isn't all about logic - and this is coming from someone who spends big chunks of his time attempting to find the logic, the stats and the hard facts about football - and we've all done plenty more illogical things in support of our club. I, for one, remain deluded that next year will be the year Agbonlahor blossoms into a beastly all-round forward capable of pulling the team one handed to a top ten finish. I'm pretty sure it ain't true - it hasn't been for about four years now - but just because I know I'm wrong doesn't mean I shouldn't stop holding that view. It isn't hurting anyone, after all.

Yeah I worded the first sentence badly. I understand why they feel the way they do about RDM, was just trying to put an objective slant on him that he hasn't the managerial Golliath that he seems to have become in this thread.

And they may well prefer Di Matteo, but if you're going to bask in the glory that Roman brings to your club, then you also take his decisions you don't like on the chin. If someone who I hated came into united on a 6 month basis (and frankly, in the context of Benietez just speaking in favour of his current club at the time, he didn't do anything that bad IMO), I'd hate to see united fans act in the way Chelsea have. You have little to no influence on who the manager is, you do have influence on supporting the team, and I'd rather not jeopardise the club for the sake of one man who I will never even meet.
 
Yeah I worded the first sentence badly. I understand why they feel the way they do about RDM, was just trying to put an objective slant on him that he hasn't the managerial Golliath that he seems to have become in this thread.

And they may well prefer Di Matteo, but if you're going to bask in the glory that Roman brings to your club, then you also take his decisions you don't like on the chin. If someone who I hated came into united on a 6 month basis (and frankly, in the context of Benietez just speaking in favour of his current club at the time, he didn't do anything that bad IMO), I'd hate to see united fans act in the way Chelsea have. You have little to no influence on who the manager is, you do have influence on supporting the team, and I'd rather not jeopardise the club for the sake of one man who I will never even meet.

Thing is though, they are. They're annoyed at Abramovich, but nobody's stupid enough to suggest they want him out, would be better off without him what have you. I think they're entitled to feel annoyed at Roman, even if they still want him as chairman.

Yeah, the whole just straight up hating Benitez thing is retarded, I think we all agree with that. Love Di Matteo all you want, but hating on an INTERIM manager is just stupid and self-defeating.
 
You should all be forced to spend the childhoold standing in freezing cold and snow on the stadium with no roof in northern Poland, watching people fail simple 10 meter pass, and the tribal aspect of football would quickly vaporize.

Seriously though, its one thing to make your discontent in new manager known to the world, but the fact it has been going for so long is mind blowing.
 
Anyway, my money is on Benfica today, Chelsea will propably collapse physically and mentally after playing under crazy pressure for nearly 6 months and wont be able to put their match face on one last time.
 
You should all be forced to spend the childhoold standing in freezing cold and snow on the stadium with no roof in northern Poland, watching people fail simple 10 meter pass, and the tribal aspect of football would quickly vaporize.

At least you don't have your best players stolen by the Germans, right?
 
Chelsea have been pretty poor as a team overall.
First 50-55minutes there was only one team in it, Mata and Oscar have been quiet all game and Ramires has spent 90% of the game offside. Torres has been the best player for them, little undeserved win but much like the CL, doesn't matter how you win as long as you do win.
 
Unfair match, extremely unfair.

You were outclassed by Benfica,football is not fair of course, but this is just too much.

Congratulations to the victors. Good match Benfica.
 
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