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Why wouldnt he? Hes told several times that he'd like to finish his career at the Bridge, and that he'd stay as long as we want him to. So at 33-34 I can see him being our #2, yes. I hope he thinks that too.
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Why wouldnt he? Hes told several times that he'd like to finish his career at the Bridge, and that he'd stay as long as we want him to. So at 33-34 I can see him being our #2, yes. I hope he thinks that too.
You think he would want to spend the last 6-7 years of his career sitting on the bench?
That actually goes to show your inconsistency last year, because he wasnt great.
VDS wasnt on the bench he went out as number 1 keeper. He could have played on, but he promised his wife he would retire.
Cech is not the keeper he once was. The summer would be the perfect time, with a new manager, and a new fresh team to bring through the young starlet Courtois.
With others like Bertrand, Lukaku, De Bruyne, McEachran and Romeu, the future 'could' be very bright. It's whether the transition is done smoothly.
We shall see.
With others like Bertrand, Lukaku, De Bruyne, McEachran and Romeu, the future 'could' be very bright. It's whether the transition is done smoothly.
We shall see.
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Indeed he did. He was class till the end, but hes had some not that good seasons as well, every player, no matter what position, has had them. Football is ups and downs, only those who are god's chosen, like Messi, have only ups. lol
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BTW, speaking of a new manager, that Bilbao team never cease to amaze me, and I just like Bielsa more and more.. what a magician.
Chelsea Bielsa, because some Chelsea players dont seem to have the disicipline and lack of ego to sit through his methods. If they didnt like AVB making them watch videos of their errors, they will hate Bielsa.
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Couldnt care less if the players hate him, he would find what is best for the club, he will get new players, he will do what has to be done. The man has experience and makes wonders with that Bilbao side, he just cant stop. I fancy them to win it to be honest, they are too good for any of those teams. Maybe he can bring the Spanish Messi too
but we still have that 'giving enough time issue' at the club...
Couldnt care less if the players hate him, he would find what is best for the club, he will get new players, he will do what has to be done. The man has experience and makes wonders with that Bilbao side, he just cant stop. I fancy them to win it to be honest, they are too good for any of those teams. Maybe he can bring the Spanish Messi too
but we still have that 'giving enough time issue' at the club...
Of course you care, since that is what happened with AVB?? You players will just complain to Roman like they did with AVB
AVB was doing exactly Bielsa would . You should note that Bilbao are 11th, having mixed success in the league. There are some similarities there. Cant want Bielsa for the same reasons you wanted AVB to leave.
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Which players did complain to Roman? Im not sure if Lampard ever compained to Roman. Terry was behind AVB till the end. The only player I can think of is Ashley. Still dont think players fired AVB. anyway, Bielsa is way too different. Hes, first of all, twice the age of AVB. He can send whining players to Argentina for some golf. And Roman must finally stop meddling in these things. I feel like im writing the latter for the thousandth time.
Age doesn't really come into it, and he's 56 btw. The fact that the club got AVB to sign a no disclosure agreement teels you just how bad things were, because they don't want him telling people publicly. You don't sign a non disclosure agreement over small issues. If you don't think the players contributed, you;re being pretty one eyed towards what went on. Bielsa isn't way different. He is autocratic. If he felt Lampard wasn't worthy he'd put him on the list, and just watch the Chelsea fans complain. Besides he has a perfectly good project going on, he wont leave now. He is a stickler for finishing what he started.
If you fully understand Bielsa, you'll see why he isn't a good fit for Chelsea.
Biesla will not be a good fit at Chelsea. He is slightly odd at times and if you want to be sucessfull under him, you really have to follow him blindly as in you cant question his tactics and if the players refuse to play in a simple 4-3-3 under AVB imagine how they would react to Biesla's tactics
The way I see it, the club has to severe ties with the old guard this summer one way or another. You cant bring in another manager and have another 'AVB esque' situation
I don't care how chaotic it will be if we do a mass clearout at Cobham. The old guard needs to go if Chelsea want to be legitimate title contenders again because with the presence of players like Lampard, Cole and Malouda there, no manager will ever be comfortable there
On the positive side, I think Roman understands this and lets be honest, he is the only one at the club right now who can put the players in their place and I am personally hoping that Roman chucks the old guard out of the club and backs the new manager, be it RDM,Unai Emery or Mourinho with some serious money. We might struggle for a season or two with this mass overhaul but at least we might finally have a stable club again
Petr Cech can extend Chelsea career after André Villas-Boas exit
• Goalkeeper would have been sacrificed in summer rebuilding
• Villas-Boas suspects players spoke against him to owner
- Daniel Taylor
- guardian.co.uk, Thursday 29 March 2012 16.13 BST
- Article history
The Chelsea goalkeeper Petr Cech may have been deemed expendable had André Villas-Boas remained as manager. Photograph: Paul Ellis/AFP/Getty Images
André Villas-Boas's sacking at Chelsea may have saved Petr Cech's career at Stamford Bridge after it emerged the goalkeeper was among the players the Portuguese manager wanted to move on in a summer of rebuilding in which Edinson Cavani and Hulk were his top targets.
Three weeks after the brief and turbulent Villas-Boas era was ended, the full extent of his rebuilding plans demonstrates how determined he was to break up the old guard at Stamford Bridge and create a completely different team to re-establish the club as authentic title challengers.
Villas-Boas was not only determined to sever his ties with Frank Lampard and Michael Essien, as well as Didier Drogba, Paulo Ferreira, Salomon Kalou and Florent Malouda, but was not convinced by Cech's performances and had talked to Roman Abramovich about selling the man who once had legitimate claims to be recognised as the best goalkeeper in the world. Rui Patrício, the Sporting Lisbon goalkeeper, was one possible replacement and Villas-Boas also wanted to bring back Thibaut Courtois, Chelsea's 19-year-old Belgian, from a loan spell at Atlético Madrid in which the teenager has excelled.
Cavani, the Napoli forward, had been identified to replace Drogba on the back of the Uruguayan's brilliant performances in Serie A and the Champions League, while Villas-Boas had also asked Abramovich for the money to sign Hulk, the Brazilian striker who had helped him win the Portuguese title with Porto. The initial advances had already been made for both players, with Abramovich particularly involved in the case of Cavani, and it may still be that one or both of them is targeted regardless of who replaces Villas-Boas on a permanent basis.
Now back in Portugal, Villas-Boas's strong suspicion is that several players spoke out against him directly to Abramovich in the wake of the 3-1 Champions League first-leg defeat against Napoli last month, when he left Frank Lampard and Ashley Cole out of a team already missing the injured John Terry. Chelsea's 1-0 defeat at West Brom 11 days later led to his sacking and he is now waiting to finalise a severance agreement while Roberto Di Matteo, appointed on a caretaker basis, has overseen a transformation that includes overcoming Napoli 4-1 in the second leg of their Champions League tie and then beating Benfica 1-0 at Estádio da Luz in the first leg of the quarter-final on Tuesday.
As part of the payoff, an agreement will be in place that Villas-Boas does not discuss publicly the dressing-room secrets from his time at the London club. In particular Chelsea do not want him to reveal the deterioration in his relationship with senior players such as Lampard and Cole, which had suffered to the point where the atmosphere at the training ground was openly mutinous at times. Cole is also said to have fallen out with Malouda, and the 34-year-old Villas-Boas will privately admit he found it difficult bringing together a dressing room containing so many strong personalities.
Fernando Torres, however, was one of the players Villas-Boas wanted to keep, despite the striker enduring the worst form of his professional life since arriving from Liverpool for £50m 14 months ago. Abramovich, too, is determined not to give up on a player he had been desperate to sign. The idea was to begin next season with Cavani, Hulk, Torres and Daniel Sturridge as striking options.
As for the lengthy list of players who were considered expendable, Cech's name is the most surprising given that he is the current Chelsea player of the year and has been one of the bedrocks of their success in the Abramovich years. The Czech Republic international does not turn 30 until May, which is far from old in goalkeeping terms, but Villas-Boas was not fully satisfied with his performances and there is a sense in the football world that Cech's performances may not be at the same level as his first few years at the club.
Really makes you wonder what could have been if AVB stayed till the summer. Chelsea really are in shambles and Roman needs to sort the situation out. I cannot believe the situation was so bad that AVB actually has to sign a non-disclosure agreement. The Old Guard has to go this summer one way or another.
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BlueHeart26
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you are probably right, I just expressed what I thought about him.
No, I think players did contribute, but I dont think the players like Lampard and Ashley fired him.
we need a manager like Bielsa(of course he probably wont leave), we just dont need an owner who meddles that much.
With Bielsa, you have to totally buy into his philosophy or it simply wont work. I look at the Chelsea side and i see too many egos.
We all argue whether Roman was right to hire AVB in the first place. But once he did, his backing should have been total. He should have stepped in december and said "cross the manager and i will sell you myself". It was always always going to be tough. But players own egos made it tougher, and when you look at the kind of younger calibre he was trying to bring it, for me it was bad decision. You effectively wasted a year, a good young manager, and about £30 million in hiring and firing him.
Roman put the squad into their place only after he sacked AVB which was too late. One thing is for sure, this coming summer will be pivotal as to what direction our club will be taking for the next 10 years. For me the best thing Roman can do is to hire someone like Unai Emery, give him total backing this summer to mould the squad as he see's fit as well as shape our Youth Policy to give us a sustainable future. \
Its not ideal, as you mentioned their will probably be chaos if we make too many changes but if the old guard remains there any longer, then Chelsea will have no chance of progressing forward