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Lampard can't play that role half as good as Scholes, his passing range does not compare nor does he have the tactical awareness either.

Scholes adapted into that role. I am not saying he is or will ever be as effective as Scholes in that role, all i am saying is that it can be done.
 
Lampard can't play that role half as good as Scholes, his passing range does not compare nor does he have the tactical awareness either.

I'll tack on a 'yet' to that. I didn't think Gerrard could be a disciplined central midfielder until the Euros, so anything's possible.
 
That is the risk though, same with if Torres gets injured are you confident with just Lukaku and Sturridge as back-up because im not. I am not saying "don't sign Modric" i am saying if we don't sign Modric then we can deal with it.

I am reasonably confident with Sturridge/Lukaku as a back-up. McEachran does not inspire the same confidence for me unfortunately.

Yes we can deal with not signing Modric mate but then we are a top 4 or top 5 side with the current squad. Modric can provide that extra push and make us a EPL winning outfit
 
I'll tack on a 'yet' to that. I didn't think Gerrard could be a disciplined central midfielder until the Euros, so anything's possible.

If Lampard reaches even half of Scholes level its a job well done to him
 
If Lampard reaches even half of Scholes level its a job well done to him

Meh, I think so too, but I'm unwilling to totally write him off yet. However, I think blindly hoping he can adapt like Scholes did is a pretty terrible idea.
 
Scholes adapted into that role. I am not saying he is or will ever be as effective as Scholes in that role, all i am saying is that it can be done.

Yeh but as it is such a key position, you need someone good there. not someone who is playing there just because of his club reputation, he does not demand a first team spot.

I'll tack on a 'yet' to that. I didn't think Gerrard could be a disciplined central midfielder until the Euros, so anything's possible.

Gerrard done well, no denying that. But England could never keep hold of the ball and dictate games even against teams like Sweden and Ukraine so I do not think we should say it was anything great. Gerrard did outperform himself there though but England never done anything with the possession a lot of the time, although there was good moments.
 
Agreed, but then again so was Scholes 10 years ago.

Lampard doesnt even compare to Scholes Carl. Scholes used to be one of the best registas (and he still is one of the best even at 37). Lampard played that role decently enough, but his contribution from that position is far less effective than the contribution Modric delivers. I love Lamps, but his tired legs and lack of tactical awareness are his biggest enemies now. Btw, I dont agree with that purely wrong statement that Lampard doesnt have good passing range. Its bollocks.
 
Meh, I think so too, but I'm unwilling to totally write him off yet. However, I think blindly hoping he can adapt like Scholes did is a pretty terrible idea.

Aye, players like Scholes who can adapt superbly to a deep-lying role later in their career are not born often. It would be a mistake on RDM's part to go into the new season with Lampard being our starter in that role
 
Stats from last season Paul Scholes:
Appearances - 19 (prem and el only)
Pass success - 93.1%
Average passes - 66.9
Key passes - 1.1
Assists - 0
Tackles - 2.3
Interceptions - 1.4
Fouls - 1.3

Frank Lampard:
Appearances - 42 (prem and cl only)
Pass success - 85.6%
Average passes - 43.5
Key passes 1.8
Assists - 8
Tackles - 1.9
Interceptions - 1.9
Fouls - 0.7


Now take into count Lampard only really played this role from mid February onwards to suggest he cannot play the role is wrong.
 
Aye, players like Scholes who can adapt superbly to a deep-lying role later in their career are not born often. It would be a mistake on RDM's part to go into the new season with Lampard being our starter in that role

but then again, there are not too many options out there. I'd forget about Modric personally, yes its still not a done deal between him and Real Madrid, but something in my head is telling me he is Madrid bound. I'd go for Moutinho right away, before Andre does it.
 
Yeh but as it is such a key position, you need someone good there. not someone who is playing there just because of his club reputation, he does not demand a first team spot.

When has he demanded a first team slot, post the evidence please.

Lampard doesnt even compare to Scholes Carl. Scholes used to be one of the best registas (and he still is one of the best even at 37). Lampard played that role decently enough, but his contribution from that position is far less effective than the contribution Modric delivers. I love Lamps, but his tired legs and lack of tactical awareness are his biggest enemies now. Btw, I dont agree with that purely wrong statement that Lampard doesnt have good passing range. Its bollocks.

I never said he could compare to Scholes and i know for a fact he will never be anywhere near as effective in that role. My point is that he can play the role and do so very well last season.
 
When has he demanded a first team slot, post the evidence please.



I never said he could compare to Scholes and i know for a fact he will never be anywhere near as effective in that role. My point is that he can play the role and do so very well last season.

I never said he demanded one, I said "he does not demand a first team spot" because of his club reputation. Meaning despite what a wonderful player he has been for Chelsea he can not last forever, he has weaknesses in that position and there are better players out there who can dictate a game so much more than Lampard. It is such a key position and that position is one of the most important, can effect the whole team/match.
 
Aye, players like Scholes who can adapt superbly to a deep-lying role later in their career are not born often. It would be a mistake on RDM's part to go into the new season with Lampard being our starter in that role

He trusted Lamps in that role last season so i wouldn't be surprised if he did next season either.
 
I never said he demanded one, I said "he does not demand a first team spot" because of his club reputation. Meaning despite what a wonderful player he has been for Chelsea he can not last forever, he has weaknesses in that position and there are better players out there who can dictate a game so much more than Lampard. It is such a key position and that position is one of the most important, can effect the whole team/match.

Sorry read it wrong, either way to do not believe he is a weakness in that position at all.
 
When has he demanded a first team slot, post the evidence please.



I never said he could compare to Scholes and i know for a fact he will never be anywhere near as effective in that role. My point is that he can play the role and do so very well last season.

But whats the point of using him as a regista when he doesnt perform as well as someone like Modric? Its like saying, yes, Lukaku is not as good as Drogba, but he's decent so lets play him. If we want to compete , and I mean COMPETE, we want to have someone who can link the play up perfectly, and we dont want that to be Lampard, do we?
 
He trusted Lamps in that role last season so i wouldn't be surprised if he did next season either.

Providing even if RDM does, which would be a mistake, he can't play every game anymore, so who would be the alternative option to play there, McEachran is not ready and relying on him would be a huge gamble, if you want to challenge for everything next season.
 
Providing even if RDM does, which would be a mistake, he can't play every game anymore, so who would be the alternative option to play there, McEachran is not ready and relying on him would be a huge gamble, if you want to challenge for everything next season.

The whole reason of him reverting to a DLP is that there is less running involved. The games Josh has played for the first team he has been the stand out player, why not give him games?
 
The whole reason of him reverting to a DLP is that there is less running involved. The games Josh has played for the first team he has been the stand out player, why not give him games?

He does need games no doubt, but still think he should hone his skills out on loan at another club for now. A club that will play him that is. Not sure whether throwing him in the Chelsea side at the moment is right because he is still pretty raw, needs to develop more at another club through experience etc.
 
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