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When/if Oscar is confirmed then we can have a very good side that can Challenge for the title next season, especially if Maicon arrives. If we do win the title, or any trophy in that matter, cue fans of other teams (Probably Liverpool fans) complaining that we bought trophies -_-

For some reason, lots of Liverpool fans complain about Chelsea's success.

Most of the time its stupid fans that are so fickle its unbelievable, Money is the essence of todays game, you basically do win the title because of money but most teams in the past 20 years have, probably bar Arsenal.. but look where that has got them now

Only thing Liverpool fans seem to be saying it Chelsea won it by putting everyman behind the ball and relied on a huge amount of luck.. i personally agree with this, because when would Messi miss a penalty, a few chances, Barca hit post/bar ETC... Bayern dominated.. Gomez had 2 very good chances, they got into numerous decisions but Robben most of the time made the wrong decision.. Unlikely to keep repeating itself

BUT if you consistantly win trophies, fair enough, i wouldn't complain if we had a filthy rich Russian behind us!
 
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I'm not too sure anyone will go in for Modric, Chelsea are smart enough to realise he's not worth upwards of 35 million pounds and there is more fiscally responsible in the long term options out there.

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A year or so ago I thought exactly the same. Now, in my eyes, he's worth that money and even more. I'd go as far as 40m.


The only available (and not that old) regista we can buy.


Agreed with everything else though.
 
Was reading an article today on Oscar and found an interesting excerpt-

Oscar and Modric are examples of, as Jonathan Wilson puts it, a new breed of playmakers: fantasistas.

Rather than being the deep-lying regista or the attacking trequirista, they are a tactical blend – operating naturally as prompters at the halfway line with an element of tactical discipline, yet are also known for their free-roaming across the final third of the pitch.


Good broad description of the roles Modric and Oscar play. Neither of them are the old, conventional #10s like Juan Roman Riquelme was but neither are deep-lying regista's either. I was certainly surprised to see the number of positions Oscar popped up on the pitch for Brazil in the friendlies- At Times right in front of the back 4, on the wings or even right behind the striker

This goes someway into explaining why you feel Oscar seems to be a more 'advanced' regista.

Also apparently the club is looking to loan Nathaniel Chalobah to a Championship team who is willing to give him regular playing time as a Central Defender/Defensive Midfielder. Good choice. I think he is ready to make the step up to the next level and play 'serious and competitive' football rather than waste time playing in the NextGen series or U-21 League

So basically i was right about something, yay lol.
 
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"I'm a boss. An arrogant boss."
 
With the amount of forward thinking players being linked/signed by us is there a chance we may see the Barca/Spain 4-6-0 (or 2-8-0 with real attacking fullbacks) at times next season?

Without going too much into it (never start me off on the 4-6-0, I've been obsessed with the idea for 3/4 years now) playing a strikerless formation requires a very specific team set up and a very specific style of play.

At the bare minimum you need:

1. Exceptionally skilled inside forwards able to open up defences with skill and pace as well as being great finishers. Mata and Hazard arguably fit this bill but I'm reluctant to put Sturridge in this category because a large degree of awareness is required for the role and you also have to be willing and able to lay the ball off to an overlapping fullback or a midfielder surging forward.

2. Midfield runners. Between Lampard and Ramires we arguably have some of best players in the world to perform this very taxing role.

3. An exceptional player to play the false nine role. This would an insane amount of pressure to put on Hazard and although I believe that Mata could be an incredible false nine, he has shown that his form dips when he is not allowed rest.

4. A metric fuckton of midfielders. Whatever number you're thinking is probably not big enough. You effectively start the game with 6 midfield players. You then need to account for the fact that your midfield runner will need ungodly levels of stamina and will need to be rested. You then need to account for the fact that the front 3 put in a lot of work and will need to be rotated. There are very few squads in the world that have such depth.

5. This is similar to the last point, but you need to also think about the quality of those subs. If your spare inside forwards can't cut the mustard, you're suddenly in massive trouble because the whole tactic is geared towards creating space for them. Wrong footed wingers that can shoot, dribble, pass and run are incredibly rare and incredibly expensive. Likewise, attacking midfielders that can do the same with the added need for incredible vision and movement can be counted on one hand.

6. If Roma's highly aggressive approach to the tactic has taught us anything, it's that fielding 6 midfielders is not always defensively sound. Spain somewhat rectified this by shifting the focus of the style from quick counters to a more possession based game (Barca did this also but if we talk about them we have to talk about Messi's version of the false nine which is another tangent altogether) and in doing so were able to retain defensively solidity. They were able to do this because they had a world class regista (or 3).

tl;dr: I can see it as an option in theory but I don't think our squad is big enough to pull it off effectively and it's such a shift in style that it's not worth all that training to use it as a tactic for the first 60 minutes of 4/5 specific games.


(If anyone is interested I'm writing a series of articles about this subject and I will be publishing them alongside a 4-6-0 thread in the tactics forum. I'm probably going to hold back until November so I can publish it alongside a tactic for the new game, which will help with the fact that everytime I think I'm nearing the end, a loose little thread turns into a whole new ball of yarn. I did recreate the formation in FM2012 by taking Mata to Napoli and ended up with a treble winning side utilising a false nine and flase ten combination, but with only a few months left of FM2012, I'd rather wait for the new edition to push my ridiculously huge wall of text ^^)
 
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Without going too much into it (never start me off on the 4-6-0, I've been obsessed with the idea for 3/4 years now) playing a strikerless formation requires a very specific team set up and a very specific style of play.

At the bare minimum you need:

1. Exceptionally skilled inside forwards able to open up defences with skill and pace as well as being great finishers. Mata and Hazard arguably fit this bill but I'm reluctant to put Sturridge in this category because a large degree of awareness is required for the role and you also have to be willing and able to lay the ball off to an overlapping fullback or a midfielder surging forward.

2. Midfield runners. Between Lampard and Ramires we arguably have some of best players in the world to perform this very taxing role.

3. An exceptional player to play the false nine role. This would an insane amount of pressure to put on Hazard and although I believe that Mata could be an incredible false nine, he has shown that his form dips when he is not allowed rest.

4. A metric fuckton of midfielders. Whatever number you're thinking is probably not big enough. You effectively start the game with 6 midfield players. You then need to account for the fact that your midfield runner will need ungodly levels of stamina and will need to be rested. You then need to account for the fact that the front 3 put in a lot of work and will need to be rotated. There are very few squads in the world that have such depth.

5. This is similar to the last point, but you need to also think about the quality of those subs. If your spare inside forwards can't cut the mustard, you're suddenly in massive trouble because the whole tactic is geared towards creating space for them. Wrong footed wingers that can shoot, dribble, pass and run are incredibly rare and incredibly expensive. Likewise, attacking midfielders that can do the same with the added need for incredible vision and movement can be counted on oen hand.

6. If Roma's highly aggressive approach to the tactic has taught us anything, it's that fielding 6 midfielders is not always defensively sound. Spain somewhat rectified this by shifting the focus of the style from quick counters to a more possession based game (Barca did also but if we talk about them we have to talk about Messi's version of the false nine which is another tangent altogether) and in doing so were able to retain defensively solidity. They were able to do this because they had a world class regista (or 3).

tl;dr: I can see it as an option in theory but I don't think our squad is big enough to pull it off effectively and it's such a shift in style that it's not worth all that training to use it as a tactic for the first 60 minutes of 4/5 specific games.


If you want to see what it takes to pull it off, think United 2006-2009.
 
I thought we cleared this Romeu stuff up when he joined, we HAVE to agree to sell before he goes. Pretty much a normal transfer.



Think JT will be charged even if he's innocent just to make an example. If he's found guilty I guess it'd somewhat help the 'kick racism out of football' campaign, showing that you don't get away with it if like QPR/member of public you go down the right route.
 
We all saw what happened with Fabregas, if they want someone, they will get him.

Unfortunately that was also due to a incredibly strong desire of Fabregas to go there as well which was also largely down to Arsenal's lack of success and the immense gap that was opened up between the two clubs. So much so he even accept a cut down in his wages just to move

While these factors probably do exist at Chelsea, they are not so severe that Romeu would push through a move. At Chelsea, he is getting many games at a club which has just won the European Championships something which may not be possible at Barcelona. He is also in a pretty tight-knit group which includes compatriots Mata and Torres

Not saying he will definitely never move to Barcelona. Just saying their is much less reason for him to do so as compared to Fabregas. He is getting games at Chelsea. Chelsea are realistic challenges for major trophies. He does have countrymen who have been looking after him
 
Good stuff by the club. They have tied down Kalas till 2017. He had a really good season for Vitesse and he is returning there again where he will be playing in the Europa League. A great prospect
 
Unfortunately that was also due to a incredibly strong desire of Fabregas to go there as well which was also largely down to Arsenal's lack of success and the immense gap that was opened up between the two clubs. So much so he even accept a cut down in his wages just to move

While these factors probably do exist at Chelsea, they are not so severe that Romeu would push through a move. At Chelsea, he is getting many games at a club which has just won the European Championships something which may not be possible at Barcelona. He is also in a pretty tight-knit group which includes compatriots Mata and Torres

Not saying he will definitely never move to Barcelona. Just saying their is much less reason for him to do so as compared to Fabregas. He is getting games at Chelsea. Chelsea are realistic challenges for major trophies. He does have countrymen who have been looking after him

surely the fact that one of the best teams ever want to sign you, and see you as good enough to part with nearly 10 million is enough

Giving that he is spanish, his whole lifestyle obviously is better suited in Spain... not saying it will happen, personally dont think it will

But plenty of reasons why
 
Unfortunately that was also due to a incredibly strong desire of Fabregas to go there as well which was also largely down to Arsenal's lack of success and the immense gap that was opened up between the two clubs. So much so he even accept a cut down in his wages just to move

While these factors probably do exist at Chelsea, they are not so severe that Romeu would push through a move. At Chelsea, he is getting many games at a club which has just won the European Championships something which may not be possible at Barcelona. He is also in a pretty tight-knit group which includes compatriots Mata and Torres

Not saying he will definitely never move to Barcelona. Just saying their is much less reason for him to do so as compared to Fabregas. He is getting games at Chelsea. Chelsea are realistic challenges for major trophies. He does have countrymen who have been looking after him

I think he'd get plenty of games at Barca, it's not like they have a problem with playing talented youngsters there.

If he carries on to excel at Chelsea, I think Barca will buy him back while that buy back clause is still there.
 
surely the fact that one of the best teams ever want to sign you, and see you as good enough to part with nearly 10 million is enough

Giving that he is spanish, his whole lifestyle obviously is better suited in Spain... not saying it will happen, personally dont think it will

But plenty of reasons why


Eh? He has adjusted pretty well to English football. At Barcelona he was not even getting any games and thats why they farmed him out like they did Bojan not without including buy-back clauses in the contract.

Point is that Chelsea are right now building a team and he is very much a big part of that. He has not had any problems adjusting to the culture and as I have said, he has Spanish players around him who have been taking care of him. He is also going to get much more games at Chelsea than he will at Barcelona.

He is obviously a Barcelona fan and I would not begrudge him a move. Just saying you should not compare this with the Fabregas transfer
 
We all saw what happened with Fabregas, if they want someone, they will get him.

If he wants to go back there now then cya. Someone we won't really miss getting nearly double what we paid for him, i'll take that all day long.
 
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