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Looks a dead ringer for Gary Cahill that Gazprom.
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Looks a dead ringer for Gary Cahill that Gazprom.
Not surprising to see the influx of secondary sponsorships after our CL win. While individually they may not be big money earners... eventually it all adds up
Thats the main thing I am worried about. If he comes to Chelsea... He will be coming into a culture and environment totally alien to the one he sees in Brazil. Add a major position change on top of that and he will need time to adapt. We need to show a lot of patience with him... Very gifted player
Also the Shakhtar Manager came out and said that they have rejected a 27m pounds bid for Willian from Chelsea. He is probably lying because...
1. Shaktar would grab a 27m bid with both hands... No two ways about it. They have also shown in January that they are willing to let Willian go
2. Chelsea are not stupid to pay close to 30m pounds for someone who will only be a back-up player as seen when they refused to go above 19m pounds for Schurrle. Hopefully
I don't worry about that too much, it seems as if Chelsea sort out the a way to accommodate the Brazilians they bring over. When Luiz was signed he basically lives with Ramires for 6 months and now Piazon lives with Luiz so being around others like you must help so much. The position change on the other hand may be difficult but that is why we will have other players for him to rotate with i.e Lamps and Josh presuming Josh does not go on loan.
Aye I suspect Oscar will be rotated a lot with Lampard in his first season to bed him in slowly into the league and the new position. Josh on the other hand will probably go on loan if we get Oscar. Right move as right now McEachran needs to be playing regular EPL games and he will not get that at Chelsea. Looking at their respective development paths.. Oscar is far ahead of McEachran atm
Would be pretty exciting to having two budding regista's/DLP in McEachran and Oscar fighting for a place in the team though which we will see when Lampard decides to hang up his boots which may not be long now
lool, Vincent is not a youth player, and not a good prospect; he's 27, and he's been without a club for around 2 years (I think)
However, he has been capped with Ivory Coast, so that tells you that he's not completely awful. He's a keeper and I think the only reason he has signed is so that we could get his highly-rated brother. However, he's a good addition in a way, because who knows, he could prove to be an OK backup (unlikely, but if he's 4th/5th choice it won't matter too much), and having him allows Blackman and Walker to go out on loan. I know the plan is to allow Walker to go on loan, but I'm not sure about Blackman. I guess we'll try and find a club for him to go to, also he can be used as a training keeper.Other than highlights, I am yet to re-watch the final. It was the best night of my life, but for some reason I can't bring myself to watch it. Still doesn't feel right.
We're not overpaying; we're paying Oscar's valuation, if we got him for anything under the reported fee it would be imo – as the transfer market currently is – a bargain. There's no need at all to worry about FFP. I know not many like Gourlay (I don't love him, but no one actually ever produces a valid reason for disliking him), but I think he and Buck and the rest have it all under control. Look at all the new sponsorship we've got, the wage bill cutting, the CL revenue, etc. I have no worry at all about our current financial situation.
I doubt he's on that much, at least guaranteed. I'd imagine included conditions it will add up to that much per week, but I doubt it's 60-70k straight up. Don't forget that Juan Mata is in that wage bracket.
I have no worries about his attitude. It's quite the opposite of some of his fellow Brazilian talents, and he works much harder than them on the pitch, and I presume on the training pitch, too.
With David Luiz in our team, I doubt he'll have much problem settling in! Sure he'll get on well with Piazón too, being a similar age, and Rami too. And there won't be a major position change I wouldn't think. Will be more gradual, I think. Sure he'll adapt to a change of position just fine though; he's played various positions already in his short career, and the problem imo, for him, is getting him to be more responsible and disciplined – knowing when to stay in position and when to go attack.
I'm not sure they would, the said the price they'd accept in January, but the manager said he think Willian is better than Hazard (lol), so why shouldn't they pay more than they have offered because we paid a lot for Hazard. He's just talking a load of rubbish, tbh.
lool, Vincent is not a youth player, and not a good prospect; he's 27, and he's been without a club for around 2 years (I think)
Other than highlights, I am yet to re-watch the final. It was the best night of my life, but for some reason I can't bring myself to watch it. Still doesn't feel right.
We're not overpaying; we're paying Oscar's valuation, if we got him for anything under the reported fee it would be imo – as the transfer market currently is – a bargain. There's no need at all to worry about FFP. I know not many like Gourlay (I don't love him, but no one actually ever produces a valid reason for disliking him), but I think he and Buck and the rest have it all under control. Look at all the new sponsorship we've got, the wage bill cutting, the CL revenue, etc. I have no worry at all about our current financial situation.
I doubt he's on that much, at least guaranteed. I'd imagine included conditions it will add up to that much per week, but I doubt it's 60-70k straight up. Don't forget that Juan Mata is in that wage bracket.
I have no worries about his attitude. It's quite the opposite of some of his fellow Brazilian talents, and he works much harder than them on the pitch, and I presume on the training pitch, too.
With David Luiz in our team, I doubt he'll have much problem settling in! Sure he'll get on well with Piazón too, being a similar age, and Rami too. And there won't be a major position change I wouldn't think. Will be more gradual, I think. Sure he'll adapt to a change of position just fine though; he's played various positions already in his short career, and the problem imo, for him, is getting him to be more responsible and disciplined – knowing when to stay in position and when to go attack.
I'm not sure they would, the said the price they'd accept in January, but the manager said he think Willian is better than Hazard (lol), so why shouldn't they pay more than they have offered because we paid a lot for Hazard. He's just talking a load of rubbish, tbh.
£25m is not a bargain for Oscar, that is very expensive.
Fernando Duarte @Fernando_Duarte
Right guys, apologies for radio silence: Oscar deal should be announced on Wednesday and the player has reportedly undergone a medical today
Right guys, apologies for radio silence: Oscar deal should be announced on Wednesday and the player has reportedly undergone a medical today
Depends how you look at it and how the deal will be done. Chelsea will not pay the fee upfront so if its over 5 years then 5 million a year for a current Brazilian International who is highly versatile is not bad going.
There's only so much Ramires can do. Antonio Valencia is exceptionally defensively aware, but he can't be expected to restrict his attacking duties in order to tuck in on the right and try and help out in midfield, not if United want to retain him as an outlet on the right. Same deal with Ramires.
£25 million is £25 million, no two ways about it.
I see what you are saying but personally i think Ramires has a better engine than Valencia and more defensively aware. His best attribute is to run on the counter attack so if a counter attack is not happening then maybe he will sit it out and sit along side Mikel while Oscar joins the attack to try and unlock a few doors.
Well done lol, oj. I know that but paying it in a lump sum looks worse towards the clubs finances than paying it over 5 years thats all im saying.
This has nothing to do with the relative qualities of the players. Simply put, having to rely on Ramires - when played on the right wing - to provide defensive cover alongside John Obi Mikel, shuttling back and forward and destabilising your entire formation, is both unfeasible and ineffective.
How it looks towards a club's finances is irrelevant. Oscar costs Chelsea a reported £25 million. Simple, as you are so fond of saying, as that.
Our formation and positions will be fluid i have no doubt about that, players swapping all the time which will could cause defences all sorts of troubles if it works. The plans are in place, just need a few things to be ironed out thats all. And it is just easier for the club to pay over sustained period of time rather than in one lump sum.
No, no... United and City's positioning are relatively fluid, but even they conform a regular pattern and basis of formation. Unless you want your formation to be horribly lopsided and lacking in any natural width at all, you literally cannot use Ramires as both a right winger and a pseudo-holding midfielder. It's just not possible.
Easier... perhaps, but why does that matter? You were disputing Mike.'s comment, which stated that Oscar was not a bargain and was instead rather expensive. He didn't mention anything about method of payment, since it has nothing to do with it. If I were to give you £100 in either a lump sum or over the course of a week, it's pretty irrelevant. You're still getting £100 either way eventually.
I said if it was less than that it would be a bargain, but the price we're paying is a fair price, IMO. Not saying it's cheap, of course it's not, but these are the prices you have to pay now. Plus, £25M is only a reported fee, some say €25M. And what I mean by less than the reported fee is under £20M.
When you compare the price to that of Lucas Moura, for example, it's a good fee.
I doubt our starting XI will have natural width other than that coming from the full backs. Players will drift wide, but I don't think there'll be that much width.
Which would make it incredibly easy to contain. Ramires can stretch the play - if he's told to, since he's a very versatile player in his playstyle - and make it easier for Chelsea to find space for Mata and Hazard upfield.