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never thought i'd hear a £25 million transfer being described as a steal.
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Yup, it's a product of Euro 2012... Or more particularly just Pirlo. On the other hand, it is a quicker way of saying deep lying playmaker.
Hey! I've been saying it pre Euros!
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You would probably have to wait till the MLS All-Stars Game to see all three on the pitch at the same time. On the other hand to see Mata, Hazard, Torres, Marin and Oscar on the pitch at the same time... All of us would have to wait till the season begins
Same! I've heard it for years, now, and I use it quite a lot, because I know if I say "deep-lying playmaker" on here, people go into FM mode. Regista does seem to be overused sometimes by people that don't know what it really means though, unfortunately.
A regista does not NEED amazing passing range. Regardless, Oscar has good passing range. It's like saying Xavi doesn't, he does, but he doesn't need to display it at every opportunity – Scholes, Pirlo and co. are looking for that long pass, whereas Xavi likes to keep it simple, playing the long pass if it's needed – Xavi likes to think one step ahead (not saying Scholes and Pirlo don't, btw), making sure he's playing the best possible pass. Plus, you could play an amazing long pass, right to someone's feet, but there could be no-one near him, instead you could play a couple of short passes, and work the ball into the box, allowing 3, 4, 5 players to get into a position where they can score.
People who say a good passing range is needed, I'm guessing have just checked on wiki (maybe not, but seems that way). I have just checked the wiki, I'll be honest, but that's because I want a good description that I can copy and paste instead of writing myself, so…
Wiki's description of a deep-lying playmaker (regista):
Hmm, whilst I agree with most of the points discussed, as I've said – a regista does NOT need good passing range. Likewise, stamina is not absolutely essential, you can be a good regista without it, although most of the top players have really good stamina, and most of them cover a lot of ground, but it's not necessary, your team would just have to play a different way. For example, instead of the regista coming to the other players' feet to receive the ball every time, they come to the regista more. It's not ideal, but you don't need good stamina necessarily – that's a fact. As well, a deep-lying playmaker does not necessarily stay deep, Modrić and Moutinho are good examples to prove that wrong; they may not be your normal regista, but that's the role they play for the club, and they do it very well, being a regista/box-to-box crossover (used that term before and was laughed at, but that's what they are really, whether you like it or not), if you like. They don't stay deep; they also get in and around the box, and play from there, as well as controlling the game from deep. This, is the role Oscar would play for us, I would think.
£19m according to reports in Brazil. (25m euros)
Torres won't be back for the MLS All-Stars game. He'll play a part in the AC Milan game, I think. Someone said they asked him a week ago, and Torres said 1-2 weeks. So, I would guess he'll back in training around Wednesday. Even if he's back tomorrow to start training, I don't think he'll play vs MLS All-Stars.
Might be given a run-out in the last 15min.... Thats the earliest opportunity anyways to see him play. Safe money would obviously be on the Milan Game
I sort of understand why you have this view. Its normally because Oscar does prefer the Higher Percentage Pass. However when the lanes do open up, he does play those long diagonals, lofted and through balls. See his performances in the international friendlies.
Think I mentioned this before but Oscar is more of someone who prompts attacks rather than dictate from the deep. Very much like Modric in that sense that you see him popping up in all sorts of places on the pitch to prompt attacks
Modric could be described as fantasista, although more so for Croatia than for Spurs. Moutinho kind of, but he doesnt have the quick dribbling that comes with players given that term, though he certainly does not sit deep all the time, gets in an around the final third a lot.
However i would disagree that a regista does not need to have a supreme (relative to your average passer) passing range. Xavi is the master of short passing, in a side that masters short passing, yet only Pirlo hit more long passes per game than him. That ability to change up its what makes them so dangerous. pass, pass, pass, all safe; bang: split 50 yard ball and you are in big trouble.
Yep.
That's what I mean, I'm just saying, it doesn't have to be amazing. Better than most, yes, but passing range is something that can be improved, and it's not always necessary to have. That's very true with Xavi, he mixes it up every so often and does play those longer passes. But, watch what Pirlo does when he gets the ball; he looks for that long ball, Xavi will keep the ball, pass it around and wait until there are more players in a position to attack. With Barcelona, it's very rare that only one attacker will be played in, in the opposition's half, whereas with Juve and Italy, Pirlo is prepared to play that ball, even if there's only one player there (happened quite a bit in the Euros). Xavi will play killer ball if there's someone near the goal (entering or in the box), too, he also does it quite often when the two wingers are both cutting in, because one can receive it, run and square it to the other. But not that often if it's someone just in the opposition's half because there's more chance of losing possession easily, as they don't have somebody who can hold the ball up (even then you're more likely to lose the ball), only players that can run with it, but if they're surrounded by lots of players, there's a good chance they'll be caught.
Hopefully that all made sense. But, I agree generally with what you're saying; they need good passing range, and they need to be able to mix it up.
BTW, as well as Mikel recently getting Twitter, the best left back in the world also has it
Follow Ashley Cole - https://twitter.com/TheRealAC3Next you will hear 6M agent fee and 100K per week ages are just peanuts.
Not quite 25 (24) but Drogba was....in the end.
Is when your Chelsea lol.
Yep.
That's what I mean, I'm just saying, it doesn't have to be amazing. Better than most, yes, but passing range is something that can be improved, and it's not always necessary to have. That's very true with Xavi, he mixes it up every so often and does play those longer passes. But, watch what Pirlo does when he gets the ball; he looks for that long ball, Xavi will keep the ball, pass it around and wait until there are more players in a position to attack. With Barcelona, it's very rare that only one attacker will be played in, in the opposition's half, whereas with Juve and Italy, Pirlo is prepared to play that ball, even if there's only one player there (happened quite a bit in the Euros). Xavi will play killer ball if there's someone near the goal (entering or in the box), too, he also does it quite often when the two wingers are both cutting in, because one can receive it, run and square it to the other. But not that often if it's someone just in the opposition's half because there's more chance of losing possession easily, as they don't have somebody who can hold the ball up (even then you're more likely to lose the ball), only players that can run with it, but if they're surrounded by lots of players, there's a good chance they'll be caught.
Hopefully that all made sense. But, I agree generally with what you're saying; they need good passing range, and they need to be able to mix it up.
BTW, as well as Mikel recently getting Twitter, the best left back in the world also has it
But barca are the exception in the way they play football at the highest level, for everyone else, they need to be closer to Pirlo than Xavi (in terms of style).
Oscar will need to be able to pick out that long pass, quite regularly. Hard ask, but put it this way; he needs to be able to pass almost as well as Carrick, thats the kind of quality range you need at the top.
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Again surely that depends how Chelsea intend on playing? Maybe Chelsea are not looking to play a deep lying play maker. People seem to forget that Mikel's passing range is pretty decent so maybe he will be trusted to do both jobs and Oscar just coming forward from deep and then joining in with the attacks? Like i say, until we see at least 6months of this new Chelsea we are just all speculating.
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