The Chelsea Thread

[Steve*]

No. The role model argument is such bollocks. Its a complete double standard lazy nonsensical idea. go and watch fans at football game, and then tell me players should be better role models.

I dont disagree that its nonsencical. Because it is. Regardless young fans look up to these players and they influence them.

I cant recall the amount of times my nephew has turned to me and told m he wants a paticular pair of football boots because there the same ones Stevie G wears or wanted a hoodie from the official shop because Suarez was seen with one.

Im not arguing on Chelsea or even Maloudas behalf. Its modern ethics, get somebody famous and exploit their ideas on voulnerable minds. Footballers dont sign up for this but it is part and parcel of their sucess now and they should realise that.

 

[Mike.]

There's times where I wonder if the parents should even be role models after seeing some highlights......

A football fan standing next to his nine year old, while shouting fat **** at him. And Rooney gets castigated? Nonsense.

35,000 people were shouting fat ******* **** that day. And Rooney was the villian?

 

[Mike.]

I dont disagree that its nonsencical. Because it is. Regardless young fans look up to these players and they influence them.

I cant recall the amount of times my nephew has turned to me and told m he wants a paticular pair of football boots because there the same ones Stevie G wears or wanted a hoodie from the official shop because Suarez was seen with one.

Im not arguing on Chelsea or even Maloudas behalf. Its modern ethics, get somebody famous and exploit their ideas on voulnerable minds. Footballers dont sign up for this but it is part and parcel of their sucess now and they should realise that.

No offence, his dad should be telling him no and setting him right on whats what. Thats his job, to be the primary role model.

And footballers dont exploit their ideas on anyone. do people no longer take responsibilty for their own actions anymore?

 

[ajt09]

A football fan standing next to his nine year old, while shouting fat **** at him. And Rooney gets castigated? Nonsense.

35,000 people were shouting fat ******* **** that day. And Rooney was the villian?

And then you hear bleating from parents on radio saying they're a bad influence. Think it's easy to figure out who needs the castigating

 

[Steve*]

Why? I'm comparing them in job-based situations. Both are jobs. I could have used any other job in the world: physicist, doctor, street sweeper, binman, a ****** prostitute. My point still stands.



If I had kids, I'd encourage them to be realistic. Follow your dreams, sure, but when someone offers you 80k a week you don't decide to up and leave due to some misplaced sense of 'morals' or somesuch outdated cliche bullshit.

If you were offered 80k a week to drown cute puppies would you do it?(maybe not the best question to ask you). Some things are wrong. I was brought up to follow my dreams and I turned down better offers so I could do that. Do I regret it? Not in the slightest.

Also no, im just going on what other people said. #But im sureif he had been flexible in wage demands he would have no problem finding a club because he is a good player still

 

[GodCubed]

No offence, his dad should be telling him no and setting him right on whats what. Thats his job, to be the primary role model.

And footballers dont exploit their ideas on anyone. do people no longer take responsibilty for their own actions anymore?

Exactly. The vast majority of people who complain about footballers 'not being role models' are parents who are too lazy to offer up a proper role model to their kids, and instead defer it onto someone who never signed up for that and most definitely shouldn't be blamed for anything he does to effect said kids. Nor, moreover, should any footballer have their decisions influenced or any of their decisions taken in another light because some people decided that footballers would be better role models for their children than their parents.

 

[Steve*]

No offence, his dad should be telling him no and setting him right on whats what. Thats his job, to be the primary role model.

And footballers dont exploit their ideas on anyone. do people no longer take responsibilty for their own actions anymore?

His dad upped stick and left when he was 3. Hes 10 now and considers myself and my father as primary role models. We explain that that stuff doesnt matter but children are fickle and will believe whatever a celebrity or famous person tells them.

You can tell a child it doesnt matter but their minds develop on their sorroundings and that impacts on their mentaility

 

[GodCubed]

If you were offered 80k a week to drown cute puppies would you do it?(maybe not the best question to ask you). Some things are wrong. I was brought up to follow my dreams and I turned down better offers so I could do that. Do I regret it? Not in the slightest.

Also no, im just going on what other people said. #But im sureif he had been flexible in wage demands he would have no problem finding a club because he is a good player still

80k a week for drowning puppies? Fetch me my stool, bucket and puppy conveyor belt.

So now what you're saying is collecting money from a contract you had agreed with a club that doesn't want your services despite your long service, good behaviour and willingness to play is morally wrong and on par with drowning puppies. Don't try and say otherwise, you literally just made a direct comparison between the two situations.

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know. I'm unwilling to castigate someone when I have no hope of knowing the full story, and indeed know practically no facts.

 

[Mike.]

His dad upped stick and left when he was 3. Hes 10 now and considers myself and my father as primary role models. We explain that that stuff doesnt matter but children are fickle and will believe whatever a celebrity or famous person tells them.

You can tell a child it doesnt matter but their minds develop on their sorroundings and that impacts on their mentaility

Thus its up you to to impose on his surroundings. They will listen to whoever is the leading force in their life.

 

[Steve*]

Exactly. The vast majority of people who complain about footballers 'not being role models' are parents who are too lazy to offer up a proper role model to their kids, and instead defer it onto someone who never signed up for that and most definitely shouldn't be blamed for anything he does to effect said kids. Nor, moreover, should any footballer have their decisions influenced or any of their decisions taken in another light because some people decided that footballers would be better role models for their children than their parents.

Well I disagree with this. I basically see myself as the primary roild model for my nephew. I thought him to be the best he can be at what he enjoys and not just take the easy route in life. Do whatever makes him happy, not what he gains the most from. I would never want him to be any other way. But in saying that my father last the power of his legs when i was a toddler. He woudl trade any amount of money of his compensation and payoffs(quite a sum) to be able to do wat he really enjoyed and was passionate about. So that may give me a different outlook on life.

 

[Steve*]

collecting money from a contract you had agreed with a club that doesn't want your services despite your long service, good behaviour and willingness to play is morally wrong and on par with drowning puppies. Don't try and say otherwise, you literally just made a direct comparison between the two situations.

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know. I'm unwilling to castigate someone when I have no hope of knowing the full story, and indeed know practically no facts.

That is in reply to you implying "someone offers you 80k a week you don't decide to up and leave due to some misplaced sense of 'morals' or somesuch outdated cliche bullshit."
I was purely referring you to your misplaced sence of morals quote. Money isnt everything as peole much older and wiser may tell you and there right. Happiness is the key to life, not financial gain.

If you died in the morning would you rather remember your life as being rich or being truly happy?
And I doubt Maoluda will be happy sitting in the reserves.

Again I dont agree withe the clubs handling either. They should show a bit more class and treat him with some respect.

 

[GodCubed]

Well I disagree with this. I basically see myself as the primary roild model for my nephew. I thought him to be the best he can be at what he enjoys and not just take the easy route in life. Do whatever makes him happy, not what he gains the most from. I would never want him to be any other way. But in saying that my father last the power of his legs when i was a toddler. He woudl trade any amount of money of his compensation and payoffs(quite a sum) to be able to do wat he really enjoyed and was passionate about. So that may give me a different outlook on life.

I'm not saying everyone should give up on their dreams, I'm merely saying they should be realistic. I'd love to be a sports journalist, and I am working towards that end, but if someone offers me a job at 20x the pay I could earn even if I was the best sports journalist in the world, I reckon I'm still likely to take it. Following your dreams is fine, but there has to be some moderation, some realism, and a sense of your future and security.

Though this point is rather off-topic in a discussion about footballers anyway...

 

[Steve*]

I agree. This is neither the time or place.

I concede that Malouda should have looked at a move more seriously rather than be an expensive bench warmer than leave and have a new challenge.
But in regards Chele they have been downright disrespectful and they cant treat contracted players like that either

 

[GodCubed]

That is in reply to you implying "someone offers you 80k a week you don't decide to up and leave due to some misplaced sense of 'morals' or somesuch outdated cliche bullshit."
I was purely referring you to your misplaced sence of morals quote. Money isnt everything as peole much older and wiser may tell you and there right. Happiness is the key to life, not financial gain.

If you died in the morning would you rather remember your life as being rich or being truly happy?
And I doubt Maoluda will be happy sitting in the reserves.

Again I dont agree withe the clubs handling either. They should show a bit more class and treat him with some respect.

If I wanted to be truly happy in life, I'd sit in bed all day watching Top Gear whilst beautiful women fed me Jaffa Cakes and performed certain acts upon my person. But nobody's going to pay me for that, and I can't reasonably be expected to make a living out of it.

Money may not equal happiness, but as a person much older and wise than I once told me, it is far easier to be happy when you're living in a mansion than when you're living in a box. You're mistaking this debate for one of two extremes, either being totally happy or totally rich. In reality, we're talking a percentages game, the tradeoff between financial security (which, by the way, probably helps people to be happy) and doing a job you enjoy. If I died in the morning, I'd obviously rather remember my life as being truly happy, but that just isn't possible without some attention towards finances as well. The point is, I don't see Malouda collecting the money he is due as being an unreasonable attention to his financial future at the sacrifice of happiness, if indeed football does make him happy.

 

[GodCubed]

I agree. This is neither the time or place.

I concede that Malouda should have looked at a move more seriously rather than be an expensive bench warmer than leave and have a new challenge.
But in regards Chele they have been downright disrespectful and they cant treat contracted players like that either

Unfortunately, technically they can. It's an odd situation nowadays in football, where both sides can now treat each other with utter disrespect.

 

[Athe~]

Well, this was too tempting to stay out of, so here it goes.

The ethical thing for Malouda to do would've been leaving the club. I think (or I'd like to think) I would've done that if I were in his shoes. I have values which are worth a lot more to me than money. But that doesn't mean everyone lives by the same rules - and they don't have to. Chelsea, on the other hand, are being disrespectful to a player that served them well for a time, even if he's not the player he used to be.

That said, the fact is Malouda and Chelsea Football Club signed a contract binding him to the club until 2013 for a certain amount of money. The club wanted to move him on, he didn't want to go because noone would pay him as much, and in the end, instead of a final pay-day in some sandy shithole he's getting it in London playing for Chelsea reserves. It doesn't look pretty, but at the end of the day, both sides are fulfilling their obligations, even if they could've (and probably should've) handled the situation better.

 

[Athe~]

And another [very] relevant comment, while I'm at it... what is a Jaffa Cake?

 

[Tyton]

Woa judging by this discussion i missed something completely meaningless that will be forgotten within a week.

Oh well carry on.

 

[GodCubed]

And another [very] relevant comment, while I'm at it... what is a Jaffa Cake?

A type of small sponge cake about the size of a regular biscuit with a layer of orange jelly and a topping of chocolate. Greatest food in the world.

 

[Tyton]

A type of small sponge cake about the size of a regular biscuit with a layer of orange jelly and a topping of chocolate. Greatest food in the world.

You heartless *******, could have at least skip the pictures.