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For DS. Not at all. But for Llorente, yes.

Why not Sturridge? Considering you're advocating giving Torres yet more chances, it seems incredibly harsh that a player of Sturridge's undoubted talent shouldn't even get a chance even when the first choice striker can't hit a barn door with a banjo.
 
Never said he choosed to play badly. And he works as hard as the rest, nothing special. Also the article Subtle posted earlier highlighted just how much he is lacking in movement and effort which is costing us goalscoring chances

And get real. Chelsea just won the CL. Greatest night in the clubs history. And Torres immediately goes to give an interview where he complains about how he is not getting enough minutes and implies he might leve etc. Stuff which would be kept in the dressing room and certainly not revealed at such times.

Certain Chelsea players have done worse but at least they perform on the field majority of the time. This guy does neither so he is not helping the club in any way

Basically just trying to show how Torres has had the full support of the club and fans despite the fact that many players would get far less at other clubs and has still failed. It's his own fault really... Certainly don't feel anyone else can be blamed

I partly agree with you on DS. Even though we looked far more of a threat going forward with him leading the line as compared to Torres against WBA... DS needs to get a run of games before we come to any definitive conclusions. He should start against Juventus, we got nothing to lose

Woah he he didnt go and do the interview, Guillem Ballague went up to him (for the record they have a very good relationship, Torres' interviews with him are almost on the verge of theraputic outpouring) and if you actually remember it, he was talking about how conflicted he felt. Cant' ignore half the interview , hence my point about you being revisionist and biased.
And no justifying someone's off field behaviour by using their on field form is plain crazy, if you are going to tell me Torres's interview was worse than Terry's various off field issues because Torres isn't hitting the strides, then that is madness.

No we've been watching Sturridge for years, certainly enough to draw conclusions; what you see is largely want you get, he will play that same way every time he gets on the pitch, which is why he is on the bench most of the time. It speaks volumes of what Di Matteo wants when DS comes on, has a hatful of chances and takes none, and he says "It was not enough" Its clear what he wants from a leading man, neither Torres nor DS currently fit that, but Torres is possibly closer (not if he plays as badly as he did against West Brom though)
 
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Why not Sturridge? Considering you're advocating giving Torres yet more chances, it seems incredibly harsh that a player of Sturridge's undoubted talent shouldn't even get a chance even when the first choice striker can't hit a barn door with a banjo.

Wouldnt say advocating. Though if he plays like vs West Brom again, I'm not sure what else you could do but drop him.

Having said that he might well be dropped for Juve if the stories about Spain are correct.

Something is not right in his head.
 
Ironic that Sturridge started at Man City and Sinclair at Chelsea, both left to play first team football and now neither can get a look in for their new clubs.
 
Should add, i'd still be looking for a striker and recalling Lukaku in January if I was Di Matteo. Chelsea would probably have to lose 40+ million on Torres.
 
Should add, i'd still be looking for a striker and recalling Lukaku in January if I was Di Matteo. Chelsea would probably have to lose 40+ million on Torres.

I would be surprised if they couldn't get at least 15-20m for Torres.. He's only 28, could still potentially play for 4-5 seasons.
 
No we've been watching Sturridge for years, certainly enough to draw conclusions; what you see is largely want you get, he will play that same way every time he gets on the pitch, which is why he is on the bench most of the time. It speaks volumes of what Di Matteo wants when DS comes on, has a hatful of chances and takes none, and he says "It was not enough" Its clear what he wants from a leading man, neither Torres nor DS currently fit that, but Torres is possibly closer (not if he plays as badly as he did against West Brom though)

He's 23 years old and has never had a consistent starting run in his preferred position. It's far too early to even say he HAS a playing style. Look at the U-21 world cup, he played as a deep-lying forward there, dropping off Welbeck.

I'd imagine a major part of what Di Matteo wants from his leading man is goals, and Sturridge is much more likely to produce one given an actual shot.
 
Should add, i'd still be looking for a striker and recalling Lukaku in January if I was Di Matteo. Chelsea would probably have to lose 40+ million on Torres.

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I would be surprised if they couldn't get at least 15-20m for Torres.. He's only 28, could still potentially play for 4-5 seasons.

Who, though? The only clubs who'd be willing to shell out that kind of money are big spenders like PSG (who have Ibra) and City (who have 3 top-class forwards), or big clubs like United, Madrid, Barca, Bayern and so on, all of whom already have excellent striking options.
 
Who, though? The only clubs who'd be willing to shell out that kind of money are big spenders like PSG (who have Ibra) and City (who have 3 top-class forwards), or big clubs like United, Madrid, Barca, Bayern and so on, all of whom already have excellent striking options.

Pretty sure Villa spunked nearly 20m on Darren Bent the other year?
 
Yeah but he can actually score.

Yet Torres has twice as many league goals as Bent this season.

The point is, there are plenty of teams that would be willing to ***** 15-20m on a big name signing, as a world cup winner, european cup winner and champions league winner, he comes with some pedigree.
 
In most jobs, if you deliberately demeaned someone to force them to leave their role in order to save the company money, the company is asking for a lawsuit against it. He isn't refusing to play football or breaching his contract in any way.

Professional athlete is not "most jobs". If you pay someone 175.000$ a week , his contract will definitely secure ability to move him in and out of teams as the owners see fit. Whether it's a civilised way , is another story.
 
Yet Torres has twice as many league goals as Bent this season.

The point is, there are plenty of teams that would be willing to ***** 15-20m on a big name signing, as a world cup winner, european cup winner and champions league winner, he comes with some pedigree.

Given that Bent's been in shocking form this year and isn't even starting for a team in the bottom three whereas Torres is seemingly undroppable for a team in the top three and with the best creative midfield in the league behind him, I'd say it's not a particularly sparkling stat.

See, you say that, but I reckon my point still stands. Whether a club is willing to chuck £20 million at him isn't necessarily the point, it's whether it's possible. No club outside Madrid or Barca in Spain has the funds to spend that kind of money without financing it through player sales, no club in England is likely to take a punt on him, German teams aren't really feasible and French teams are a possibility but perhaps of too low a standard. Perhaps an Italian team? Juve are maybe the only side I can think of that have both the financial power and the need for a top-class forward.
 
Given that Bent's been in shocking form this year and isn't even starting for a team in the bottom three whereas Torres is seemingly undroppable for a team in the top three and with the best creative midfield in the league behind him, I'd say it's not a particularly sparkling stat.

See, you say that, but I reckon my point still stands. Whether a club is willing to chuck £20 million at him isn't necessarily the point, it's whether it's possible. No club outside Madrid or Barca in Spain has the funds to spend that kind of money without financing it through player sales, no club in England is likely to take a punt on him, German teams aren't really feasible and French teams are a possibility but perhaps of too low a standard. Perhaps an Italian team? Juve are maybe the only side I can think of that have both the financial power and the need for a top-class forward.

Russian teams are pretty **** hot at throwing a **** tonne of money at average players. Wouldn't be surprised if he ended up there.
 
Yet Torres has twice as many league goals as Bent this season.

That's a fair point. 7 goals out of 19 games? At this rate if he plays as much games as in last season, he'll be nearing 20, more goals than Drogba had most seasons. Not exactly complete disaster people are making it out to be.
 
I'd imagine a major part of what Di Matteo wants from his leading man is goals, and Sturridge is much more likely to produce one given an actual shot.

I'm not so sure about that, granted i only saw maybe 5-6 Chelsea games this year, but given how narrow they seem to play, i'd figure the system with nine-and-the-half/false nine/whatever is at least partially by design.
 
Russian teams are pretty **** hot at throwing a **** tonne of money at average players. Wouldn't be surprised if he ended up there.

Fair point, actually. I guess the sticking point there is whether he'd want to move there, since if he did his international career would be pretty much over.

That's a fair point. 7 goals out of 19 games? At this rate if he plays as much games as in last season, he'll be nearing 20, more goals than Drogba had most seasons. Not exactly complete disaster people are making it out to be.

He said league goals. He has 4 in 12 this year.
 
I'm not so sure about that, granted i only saw maybe 5-6 Chelsea games this year, but given how narrow they seem to play, i'd figure the whole nine-and-the-half/false nine/whatever is at least partially by design.

I'd hesitate to call Torres either of those things, but if that is the case then Di Matteo's tactics are badly flawed. Oscar, Mata and Hazard can score, but none of them can finish consistently enough to be able to replace the goals a proper striker would. When Arsenal had the RVP/Fabregas tandem, it worked because Fabregas was a legitimate goal threat. It works for Barca too, since the likes of Pedro and Villa are good finishers. At Chelsea, not so much.
 
Fair point, actually. I guess the sticking point there is whether he'd want to move there, since if he did his international career would be pretty much over.

Not if he goes there and starts dominating the league and in Europe. The Russian league has improved vastly over the past few seasons, and if you can pay people like Eto'o 300k a week, I am sure a team could put a nice little package together for Torres to make it appealing. Although it doesn't appear to be a stable and sustainable way of having the league run, with all this stupid money being thrown around (Hulk, Witsel, Eto'o etc), he could easily go there for the next 3 years, make a load of money, play european football (most likely) and if he finds form, it's still a big enough stage for him to get noticed by the national management.

If not, I could see him at Juve, the slower league would probably help Torres. If Juve don't get Llorente (although, they probably will), then I could see Torres moving there for 20m or so, with Juve being a decent team in a league which is still probably the 4th best in Europe.
 
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