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Haha, right, it may as well be that. For some reason i had him labeled in my mind as " bad with impact subs", but he hasn't been exactly blessed with monster benches in his career.

Looking to Rafa to break out the immense tactical genius with his 70th minute Paulo Ferreira attacking substitution, aww yeah.

I've spent of of the current season laughing about this with Godcubed. Loaned to Madrid with no recall option. Genius.

It's just utterly mental. He's made (on average for Madrid) more interceptions than anyone has for Chelsea. And he's not even a proper defensive midfielder.

When Villa and QPR both have better deep midfield options than a team sitting in the top 3 you know that team has a problem.
 
Oh, don't get me wrong, I KNOW you won't ever change your opinion on Rafa because you're stuck in your ways and refuse to see facts. What amuses me is how you've come up with debate point after debate point and all of them have been totally incorrect, and easily proven to be so. Now you're just saying "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED NOT LISTENING NA NA NA NA NA" which is a debating tactic on par with an eight year old.

So, if we take into account that Rafa hasn't actually made any tactical mistakes - as we covered earlier - it can only really be one thing. The squad just isn't good enough to live up to your expectations. And it makes sense; Chelsea are lethal on the counter, which aids them immensely when away from home. When AT home, however, things get a little unstuck. With a deep midfield based around energy rather than guile, and the top of the team hugely lacking in natural width, Chelsea can't find any space high up the field to get their playmakers free, and there's nobody deep in midfield to offer another point of attack. THAT is Chelsea's big tactical problem now, and it is also not Benitez's fault. In fact, he's trying to remedy it by adding Luiz as a vertical shuttler in midfield and adding width through Victor Moses.

mmmm maybe, then again how come Robbie only lost 1 home game which came in controversial circumstances against Man Utd. Facts are there to see mate 4 points off the top when Robbie got the chop, 13 points off the top now. Rafa and Chelsea was never going to work.

I'll say it once again. Back Rafa in the tranfer market this month and he will bring Chelsea back into the title race. He is that good in my opinion. Season is only halfway through.

Rafa has no say in transfers we all know that, also the new players will change his rotation ways and start realising when subs need to happen or make them earlier? Stuck in his old ways and unable to change.
 
Anyone got any defence for him bringing on Torres (a striker) and putting him out wide? My girlfriend who is football inept even questioned it when she heard it! Seriously she is clueless about football!
 
I've spent of of the current season laughing about this with Godcubed. Loaned to Madrid with no recall option. Genius.

I see absolutely no point in it. It's baffling. Unless they got a massive loan fee then why do it?
 
Anyone got any defence for him bringing on Torres (a striker) and putting him out wide? My girlfriend who is football inept even questioned it when she heard it! Seriously she is clueless about football!

Roman stamped his feet and demanded Torres be put on or else Benitez would be grounded for a week
 
mmmm maybe, then again how come Robbie only lost 1 home game which came in controversial circumstances against Man Utd. Facts are there to see mate 4 points off the top when Robbie got the chop, 13 points off the top now. Rafa and Chelsea was never going to work.

Actually Di Matteo lost two home games - against United and West Brom, and incidentally exactly the same number of losses Benitez has had at home - so I'd probably lay off the 'facts' if I were you.

Another couple of facts: United, prior to Di Matteo's sacking, had lost 3 Prem games. After, they've lost none and drawn one, winning the rest. Likewise City now don't have to worry about the CL, though their results may be slightly worse as of late due to injuries and poor form as well as Mancini's ineptitude. Chelsea aren't getting worse - or at least, not to such an extent that Benitez has lost them 9 points - it's just that the big two Manchester clubs are getting better. This is reflected in the table. From 4 points off the pace to 13 now, but a position better off.
 
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Actually Di Matteo lost two home games - against United and West Brom, and incidentally exactly the same number of losses Benitez has had at home - so I'd probably lay off the 'facts' if I were you.

Another couple of facts: United, prior to Di Matteo's sacking, had lost 3 Prem games. After, they've lost none and drawn one, winning the rest. Likewise City now don't have to worry about the CL, though their results may be slightly worse as of late due to injuries and poor form as well as Mancini's ineptitude. Chelsea aren't getting worse - or at least, not to such an extent that Benitez has lost them 9 points - it's just that the big two Manchester clubs are getting better. This is reflected in the table. From 4 points off the pace to 13 now, but a position better off.

Well i want to see where you got them facts considering we don't play West Brom at home until March? One home defeat with the same bunch of players how can you argue with that? And you talk about no natural width and without Moses that is true, then again we have Marin on the bench why not bring him on? He is a winger isn't he? Even if he is not rated much by Rafa he would give us width. How are we a position better off when we were 2nd when Robbie got the sack?
 
Well i want to see where you got them facts considering we don't play West Brom at home until March? One home defeat with the same bunch of players how can you argue with that? And you talk about no natural width and without Moses that is true, then again we have Marin on the bench why not bring him on? He is a winger isn't he? Even if he is not rated much by Rafa he would give us width. How are we a position better off when we were 2nd when Robbie got the sack?

Oh my, I apologise. Still; one more home defeat. It's hardly a massive amount. I do believe your correction of my other mistake is incorrect though, since you were third when Di Matteo got sacked, in the wake of the West Brom defeat, I believe? Still, I feel my point stands, especially when you consider you are more points off 4th place than you were when Di Matteo got sacked.

Now, as for wingers. Marin is not trusted purely because he's not very good. He's lazy, offers his full-back NO protection whatsoever, and crucially doesn't actually offer that much width. He never did in Germany, and in the one game he started, versus QPR at home, he spent most of his time in the centre. In fact, average position diagrams show he spent most of the game in advance of Torres in the centre.
 
Oh my, I apologise. Still; one more home defeat. It's hardly a massive amount. I do believe your correction of my other mistake is incorrect though, since you were third when Di Matteo got sacked, in the wake of the West Brom defeat, I believe? Still, I feel my point stands, especially when you consider you are more points off 4th place than you were when Di Matteo got sacked.

Now, as for wingers. Marin is not trusted purely because he's not very good. He's lazy, offers his full-back NO protection whatsoever, and crucially doesn't actually offer that much width. He never did in Germany, and in the one game he started, versus QPR at home, he spent most of his time in the centre. In fact, average position diagrams show he spent most of the game in advance of Torres in the centre.

Yes against Southampton in the cup he was very wide and about protection for the fullback it was 2-2 with 10mins left we had to go for it! Yeah we were 3rd but like i say only 4 points of leaders City, yes i see you said Utd have gone on a great run but why couldn't have we also?
 
Yes against Southampton in the cup he was very wide and about protection for the fullback it was 2-2 with 10mins left we had to go for it! Yeah we were 3rd but like i say only 4 points of leaders City, yes i see you said Utd have gone on a great run but why couldn't have we also?

Really? You're going to base your opinions of him as a player on 17 minutes against Southampton at the end of a game, against a 17-year old left-back, when they lost 1-5? As opposed to his only start and, ooh, half a decade in Germany?

Bringing on Marin would have solved nothing. A selfish inside forward with a tendency to run into dead ends is exactly the worst kind of player to bring on in that kind of situation, with Southampton sitting deep and looking to frustrate. Marin might've worked when you were a goal or so up, but that would also have been a risk considering his lack of work rate.

I'll say it again. You can't compete with United because they simply have a better squad than you. It really is as simple as that. You've only just got a clinical striker, and you still don't have a deep midfield worth anything - despite wanting to play a 4-2-3-1, and before you unsurprisingly try to level that at Benitez too, that's easily your most comfortable and natural formation - and absolutely no natural width high up the pitch. Likewise City. I'll ask again: where do you want Chelsea to compete in the table? Because if you want to compete for the title, it is not Benitez's fault you're not right now.
 
Yes against Southampton in the cup he was very wide and about protection for the fullback it was 2-2 with 10mins left we had to go for it! Yeah we were 3rd but like i say only 4 points of leaders City, yes i see you said Utd have gone on a great run but why couldn't have we also?

Short answer. Because your overall balance isnt as good as ours. Your forward line certainly isnt as good as ours. You have midfield issues that need redressing in the transfer window. You probably need another Forward. You also as a set of fans need to pipe down and start showing you care about the club, and are not the "plastic fans" Rafa alluded to 5 years again.
 
Short answer. Because your overall balance isnt as good as ours. Your forward line certainly isnt as good as ours. You have midfield issues that need redressing in the transfer window. You probably need another Forward. You also as a set of fans need to pipe down and start showing you care about the club, and are not the "plastic fans" Rafa alluded to 5 years again.

United have Chelsea beaten in every single area of the pitch apart from in goal, where it's probably a dead heat. And not just in first-team quality, either, I'm also talking in squad depth, which is utterly crucial.
 
United have Chelsea beaten in every single area of the pitch apart from in goal, where it's probably a dead heat. And not just in first-team quality, either, I'm also talking in squad depth, which is utterly crucial.

You look at both benches during the average game, and the gap is pretty big. ****, the very first thing Rafa said is "we lack balance and we lack players".
 
Benitez isn't to blame for the majority of our problems, but for the reasons I stated I doubt he can fix things either. It really was one of the worst appointments possible.
 
United have Chelsea beaten in every single area of the pitch apart from in goal

Attacking midfield? They have more variety but, imo, but their starting 3 is definitely inferior to our starting 3.
 
Looking to Rafa to break out the immense tactical genius with his 70th minute Paulo Ferreira attacking substitution, aww yeah.
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Yeah, its easily the worst bench in the top 3, no wonder they cant compete for the title. All the striker woes aside, current squad just simply isn't good enough.
 
Attacking midfield? They have more variety but, imo, but their starting 3 is definitely inferior to our starting 3.

Is it? Might be just me , but i remain completely unimpressed with Oscar.
 
Is it? Might be just me , but i remain completely unimpressed with Oscar.

It think it must just be you. Amazing technique, great vision, solid range of passing, puts in a lot of effort and has serious potential as a regista if he can improve the cleanness of his tackles.
 
It think it must just be you. Amazing technique, great vision, solid range of passing, puts in a lot of effort and has serious potential as a regista if he can improve the cleanness of his tackles.

Fantastic ball control, no arguments here, the rest needs a lot of refining though. And using him about regista in the future - that may as well work, potential is there, but for now he's hardly wordclass midifielder.
 
Fantastic ball control, no arguments here, the rest needs a lot of refining though. And using him about regista in the future - that may as well work, potential is there, but for now he's hardly wordclass midifielder.

Only 21. First season in the EPL. Massive change of culture from Brazil. Lots of pressure as he is playing in a top team.
 
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