The Chelsea Thread

[LFCMarshall]

The only way to be heard is by doing this.

comments like this is why Chelsea deserve all they're getting this season

 

[GodCubed]

I think you will find i am not "blind" to it at all mate and if my club/fans do something i do not agree with i will call them up on it. The fact you think otherwise shows how little you know of me. I said Torres got booed once and did i agree with it? Booing happens at the end of games at home if the result is not positive, the same sort of booing that happens at the Emirates when they are not winning at half time or full time. These boos you speak of that happen during the game who are they aimed at? The fans don't just start booing! Chants at Rafa yes they happen but don't really take off at home as its in pockets. And it did happen once with Torres against Swansea which was a game a lot of non supporters/plastic fans went to because the game went on general sale. At the next 2 home games after that he was cheered and applauded as he came on/off.

 

[Lee]

Because the players know they are bad decisions too. Footballers have their own mind and don't need the fans's reaction to make their minds up. Grant was treated poorly by a section of fans back in the day but the players still performed for him.

That doesn't answer the question. You said that the supporters can influence the players when they think the manager has made a bad decision. How does the players having their own minds have anything to do with the reasoning for that?

If the players can be influenced by the supporters when it comes to something trivial like that, then why doesn't the Rafaout stuff have an impact on the players?

 

[CJACKO11]

comments like this is why Chelsea deserve all they're getting this season

That's your opinion mate fair enough. Before you slate our fans maybe you should have slated your fans with their treatment over Hodgson from day one, doomed to fail.

 

[CJACKO11]

That doesn't answer the question. You said that the supporters can influence the players when they think the manager has made a bad decision. How does the players having their own minds have anything to do with the reasoning for that?

If the players can be influenced by the supporters when it comes to something trivial like that, then why doesn't the Rafaout stuff have an impact on the players?

I never said that....did i? If i did i didn't what ever i said in that way.

 

[CJACKO11]

Erm, welcome to the convo.

 

[JDY]

That's your opinion mate fair enough. Before you slate our fans maybe you should have slated your fans with their treatment over Hodgson from day one, doomed to fail.

The way to be heard is supporting your team until the end of the season. Fair enough if the fans voice their displeasure when he was first appointed, but to carry it on for the whole season, really? Why would any so called 'fans' want to derail our season any more. Get over it.

 

[Lee]

I never said that....did i? If i did i didn't what ever i said in that way.

Huh?

"If a fan thinks he has made a bad call in terms of a sub or lateness of a sub or not even using your permitted subs then players feed off that too."

"Booing at home doesn't happen especially for the whole game, how is banners slating the manager going to effect player performances"

 

[LFCMarshall]

That's your opinion mate fair enough. Before you slate our fans maybe you should have slated your fans with their treatment over Hodgson from day one, doomed to fail.

Hodgson was treated badly by certain standards.. not from the very start though, it mainly started because of relegation form and negative football

however, i didnt see much booing of the manager, banners saying 'Roy out' or anything like that

there is voicing your opinion as a fan, then there is the sheer ignorance that what you as fans are doing is harming your team, if it continues Rafa is right in saying its Europa League next year

 

[CJACKO11]

The way to be heard is supporting your team until the end of the season. Fair enough if the fans voice their displeasure when he was first appointed, but to carry it on for the whole season, really? Why would any so called 'fans' want to derail our season any more. Get over it.

They are supporting the team hence why you still hear a lot of "champions of europe", "super frank" and "sign him up" chants a long with a whole host of others! The media has painted this as all we do is sing chants about Rafa and boo for 90 minutes non stop which is utter bollocks. Our season was derailed when the ****** in charge of this club sacked Di Matteo and replaced him with someone who is hated by our supporters. Matters on the pitch are the main reason for this poor season not the supporters off it and if people are not led to think otherwise then you might as well get rid of managers all together.

 

[CJACKO11]

Huh?

"If a fan thinks he has made a bad call in terms of a sub or lateness of a sub or not even using your permitted subs then players feed off that too."

"Booing at home doesn't happen especially for the whole game, how is banners slating the manager going to effect player performances"

Okay i obviously didn't explain myself properly. If fans think certain decisions he makes are poor then player will do to because genuinely they are so blatantly poor.

Hodgson was treated badly by certain standards.. not from the very start though, it mainly started because of relegation form and negative football

however, i didnt see much booing of the manager, banners saying 'Roy out' or anything like that

there is voicing your opinion as a fan, then there is the sheer ignorance that what you as fans are doing is harming your team, if it continues Rafa is right in saying its Europa League next year

Sorry but on the field decisions have more of an influence than off the field disturbances 100%. Your lots treatment of Hodgson was not as fiery i agree but he wasn't hated by your fans prior.

 

[TJD07]

Club fell off the rails few seasons ago, it's just been getting slowly worse and now it's starting to come back to haunt the club.
Roman is a **** and has no sense which everyone knows, forced the best manager you'll ever have out in Jose. A string of random appointments later all with next to no backing from the club later you end up with Di Matteo. He was always going to get sacked, Roman didn't want him so he was going to go, stumbled into a CL win which brought him more time but obvious he was gone as soon as things didn't go well.
Now you're stuck with Rafa, with no team, no backing, no real support from the fans(for rafa that is) was always going to be a mess.
Roman being Roman and now the fans losing it, fans aren't to blame but they're not helping at all now. You're just ******* into the wind.

 

[Lee]

Okay i obviously didn't explain myself properly. If fans think certain decisions he makes are poor then player will do to because genuinely they are so blatantly poor.

So if the manager makes a poor decision and the fans sulk. Then the players will sulk too. But if the fans sulk about a manager, then the players won't sulk because?

 

[CJACKO11]

So if the manager makes a poor decision and the fans sulk. Then the players will sulk too. But if the fans sulk about a manager, then the players won't sulk because?

They will make their own mind up on both counts but its quite clear to see they do not back him either but it has nothing to do with fan influence. Players will play for certain managers regardless of what the fans think.

 

[fuelledbypassion]

There are other ways to protest though. Just take my club, Manchester United, as an example. The fans want the Glaziers out more than anyone we've ever had at the club, but our demonstrations and protests don't ever detract from what goes on in the games or waiver our support of the team and players. The green and gold scarf campaign has, and continues to show a strong message of our support for the club and distaste to the Glazier ownership.

The scenario at Chelsea has been worsened by the reaction of the fans and the continued abuse. He was always leaving at the end of the season but the fans continue to blindly blame Benitez without considering the 'facts'. It's the ownership and previous management that were at fault for the imbalance of the squad, and the players that are largely underperforming, yet Benitez and Torres are the scapegoats.

 

[CJACKO11]

Club fell off the rails few seasons ago, it's just been getting slowly worse and now it's starting to come back to haunt the club.
Roman is a **** and has no sense which everyone knows, forced the best manager you'll ever have out in Jose. A string of random appointments later all with next to no backing from the club later you end up with Di Matteo. He was always going to get sacked, Roman didn't want him so he was going to go, stumbled into a CL win which brought him more time but obvious he was gone as soon as things didn't go well.
Now you're stuck with Rafa, with no team, no backing, no real support from the fans(for rafa that is) was always going to be a mess.
Roman being Roman and now the fans losing it, fans aren't to blame but they're not helping at all now. You're just ******* into the wind.

Roman, his yes men and Rafa are more to blame than the fans yet its the fans who are getting the stick.

 

[fuelledbypassion]

They will make their own mind up on both counts but its quite clear to see they do not back him either but it has nothing to do with fan influence. Players will play for certain managers regardless of what the fans think.

Players shouldn't play for a manager, they should play for a club.

 

[CJACKO11]

There are other ways to protest though. Just take my club, Manchester United, as an example. The fans want the Glaziers out more than anyone we've ever had at the club, but our demonstrations and protests don't ever detract from what goes on in the games or waiver our support of the team and players. The green and gold scarf campaign has, and continues to show a strong message of our support for the club and distaste to the Glazier ownership.

The scenario at Chelsea has been worened by the reaction of the fans and the continued abuse. He was always leaving at the end of the season but the fans continue to blindly blame Benitez without considering the 'facts'. It's the ownership and previous management that were at fault for the imbalance of the squad, and the players that are largely underperforming, yet Benitez and Torres are the scapegoats.

Yeah the green and gold scarf brigade which has done what to dislodge your owners? Exactly my point.


Torres isn't a scapegoat, infact most fans now days have come to the realisation that this very expensive experiment just has not worked and needs to be ended ASAP. The thing fans find annoying is how we can constantly play him as if he may get good again soon, not going to happen. Soon as the club admit defeat sooner the club can start to move on.

 

[CJACKO11]

Players shouldn't play for a manager, they should play for a club.

Yes 100% and in hindsight and in a lovely world that would be the outcome. But if that was the case then no manager would ever be sacked would they as problems would be hidden.

 

[Jack Fulham]

I do so enjoy seeing our local rivals in turmoil. Chelsea and QPR are prime examples of how not to run football clubs.