The Chelsea Thread

[rephlex]

You see, I don't think you've got that right. You equate hatred to envy, a bit like a guy driving down the motorway faster than you in the outside lane, sticking his finger up as he zips past you.

In this case, it is more like you're flying down the outside, but with a traffic jam ahead, making you have this awkward moment where you stick your finger up and then end up driving parallel to the rest of the traffic looking like a bit of a ****. Plus, you have a passenger in the car who is paranoid that everyone else wants to ram him off the road and rants all the time.

The point I'm making is that this only seems tolerable whilst you're flying down the outside, results pouring in, trophies filling up the cabinet.. but it doesn't seem remotely fun to be part of, either as a fan (is it actually fun to be hated by a lot of other fans, really?), or as a player asked to play limited football despite the vast skillset, as Hazard's comments seem to demonstrate from last night.

 

[Tyton]

For me he is the reason Chelsea made the semi final of the champions league.

Really? Team that made two european finals back to back, made it to another semi-final? Color me impressed, only The Special One could have done it.

 

[Tezzz]

Really? Team that made two european finals back to back, made it to another semi-final? Color me impressed, only The Special One could have done it.

The Semi Final One*

 

[Alcaraz]

So many Chelsea fans were complaining of the lack of any creative edge in the their team last night.

Oh god... it was just a Mata of time you would start to miss him.

Agreed. Especially when we see how **** Manchester made him. Makes me cry honestly zzz

 

[cfc12345]

The Semi Final One*

Who has won 2 champions league trophies plus a countless number of league titles and cups

 

[Alcaraz]

Terry's tears... gets me every time.

Dont blame you. You will only understand his pain when United get knocked out of the CL next season ... Oh wait

 

[Alcaraz]

I think he's the world's greatest PR manager, but his football, looking at both home and away legs against Atletico could be assembled on a much smaller budget - with long throws, free kicks and fielding a larger, less skilful side - turning the team into a posher version of Stoke, except with the Hazard thrown in and quicker on the break. His real talent is more man management, that ability to instil belief, to create a mentality of rigidity - and knowing which players are good under pressure and they repay him for that trust. Indeed, reportedly at Real he asked for a dossier to be created on all of his players detailing when they go to bed at night, what they eat, how often they socialise.. it's this sense of 'domain'.

Hazard responded after the loss last night than he was frustrated with being the player expected to always open the door for the team, showing how he's frustrated with the team's tactics. This guy is a 32m winger, one of the most talented creative players, being asked to play auxillary fullback for most of the game. This kind of extreme defensive play is what cost Mou his job at Real. Now, whilst Abramovich wants to win trophies, he's already invested 105-odd million this season with seemingly little to show for it, assuming City don't bottle it. I'd expect him to get more time, but it's increasingly clear why he didn't get the Old Trafford job from his actions on and off the pitch this season.

Regardless of whether his tactics are nice to watch or not, they work. His CV speaks for itself. Many people forget that we went into this CL with an unbalanced midfield. Matic is ineligible remember? Oh and no striker as well. Regardless of whether these problems could have been solved or not, they still existed and they cost us the trophy. I was pleasantly surprised that we made it so far tbh

 

[sunilvk7]

I must say i do enjoy all the hatred coming from other (mainly on twitter and facebook) supporters. Arsenal fans despite forgetting without Chelsea's recent results in Europe the Wenger 4th place trophy would just be a Europa League slot losing the club millions. The Liverpool fans despite not being in this competition for years now and when they will be next season may even be 4th seed if not then will 100% be 3rd seed so lets see how they do back jugging 4 competitions and guaranteed to play 2 top teams in Europe. And then i have some of my Portsmouth supporting mates, yes that's right League 2 Portsmouth! The only club who can be owned by someone who never even existed!

As i always say, keep the hatred, makes it even more sweeter when we do win and we all know we do end up winning.

That's non sense. Serie A is very far from EPL in coefficients and are fighting with Portugal for 5th or 6th place. EPL would have had 4 places irrespective of what Chelsea achieved.

If anything Chelsea should be thanking ManUtd, Arsenal, Newcastle and to an extent Liverpool for making EPL exciting one and thereby attracting rich owners.

Also there were some reports that Roman wanted to enter football after watching ManUtd Vs Madrid which we won 4-3, so you should be thanking one person for that

 

[sunilvk7]

Regardless of whether his tactics are nice to watch or not, they work. His CV speaks for itself. Many people forget that we went into this CL with an unbalanced midfield. Matic is ineligible remember? Oh and no striker as well. Regardless of whether these problems could have been solved or not, they still existed and they cost us the trophy. I was pleasantly surprised that we made it so far tbh

Spent 120 million (more or less) and addressed none of the weakness in the squad.

 

[Alcaraz]

Specialist in failure?

Certainly if you consider those clubs had the greatest resources and already very experienced squads with top class players, that could certainly be argued as failure.

The Spanish press seem to have picked up on this, calling him the "semifinal one" in today's rag.

Specialist in failure?? Are you being serious here? At least he won something in the past 4 years ... Let's add some context shall we? During his Real Madrid days, he was also up against possibly the best team of the decade in Barcelona and he beat them in the end. At Chelsea, he is up against a brilliant squad in City and an inspired Liverpool side that don't have any European commitments

 

[Alcaraz]

Spent 120 million (more or less) and addressed none of the weakness in the squad.

As I said , regardless of whether these problems could have been solved ... They still existed

 

[sunilvk7]

Specialist in failure?? Are you being serious here? At least he won something in the past 4 years ... Let's add some context shall we? During his Real Madrid days, he was also up against possibly the best team of the decade in Barcelona and he beat them in the end. At Chelsea, he is up against a brilliant squad in City and an inspired Liverpool side that don't have any European commitments

lol, Madrid also had brilliant team and Pelligrini achieved around 95 points with even more disjointed team.

So when Madrid beats Barca they beat one of the best team of the decade but when Liverpool are finishing above Chelsea, they are inspired side with no European commitments. Searching for all possible excuses..

Ancelotti is more or less achieving same number of points and also he led them to the finals which Jose failed for 3 years.
Atletico are on course to reach 100 points with even worse team and they also lost their best striker.

Like someone posted, in 4 years he won Spanish cup and league and spent around 300 Million and on top of that he already had Ronaldo in the team at Madrid and Hazard at Chelsea.

Atletico have won Europa League, Spanish cup, European super cup and on course to win their first title in 20 years and also reached Champions league finals.

That's the context. Not he was against best side and all that excuses.

Heynckes won more in a season than Jose in last 3-4 years after spending so much.
Klopp has won 2 leagues (playing against arguable the best side in the last decade) and German cup along with making it to CL finals.
Vilanova has won league title in his only season.

 

[rephlex]

Specialist in failure?? Are you being serious here? At least he won something in the past 4 years ... Let's add some context shall we? During his Real Madrid days, he was also up against possibly the best team of the decade in Barcelona and he beat them in the end. At Chelsea, he is up against a brilliant squad in City and an inspired Liverpool side that don't have any European commitments

It was a jibe at his comment about Wenger, despite spending twenty fives times more than he has in the past six years. Because it is very easy to look at those statistics in a vacuum and say they are not good enough. Personally, I think 2 trophies out of 14 opportunities, managing the best teams in the world - whilst spending a third of a billion euros - isn't an especially good return. Were that a Man City stat, everyone would be saying how money can't buy success and it is no wonder the managers have been moved on. I'd say it's fair to call that recent form unsuccessful, and if Mourinho's PR and self promotion was a poorer level, I think a trophyless season with negative football would be seen in another light.

Sun's post covers my other points regarding perception, it's a almost confirmation bias, it's a psychological quirk found that when you have two related aspects of information together, they become important by their mere existence together, which is why the whole special one persona self-pertuates every time it is mentioned.

 

[zzeezzy]

Jose's tactics in the first leg cost you ultimately, that away goal is so important.

 

[Tezzz]

Dont blame you. You will only understand his pain when United get knocked out of the CL next season ... Oh wait

Hahaha. Meow!!

 

[Tezzz]

Who has won 2 champions league trophies plus a countless number of league titles and cups

Out of 8 Champions League semi-final he's qualified to the final on 2 occasions.

European mastermind. With the talented squads he's had with them as well... brilliant.

That Benitez guy is nowhere near him. When he won it his squad was clearly the best in the world at the time.. and he just got lucky anyway.

 

[GodCubed]

Out of 8 Champions League semi-final he's qualified to the final on 2 occasions.

Mourinho has lost 6 semi-finals. Pep's lost 3 semi-finals. Alan Pardew has lost 0. Clearly Pardew is a legendary manager.

 

[Nick Chelsea]

Raphael Honigstein ‏@honigsteinhttps://twitter.com/honigstein/status/461600139510312961 That's the fourth semi-final Mourinho has lost in a row. Clearly his tactics do not work/have been found out/need major rethink. *sarcasm*

 

[cfc12345]

Out of 8 Champions League semi-final he's qualified to the final on 2 occasions.

European mastermind. With the talented squads he's had with them as well... brilliant.

That Benitez guy is nowhere near him. When he won it his squad was clearly the best in the world at the time.. and he just got lucky anyway.

And Sir Alex got to how many finals in over 20 years? About 4-5?? Still an incredible manager and no denying Jose is one of the best And if you are going to start the Rafa stuff that won't annoy me I actually like Rafa and appreciate what he did in his short time at Chelsea so yeah I agree his champions league triumph was fantastic

 

[CJACKO11]

The Semi Final One*

Anyone else constantly making Champions League semi finals?

Really? Team that made two european finals back to back, made it to another semi-final? Color me impressed, only The Special One could have done it.

Champions League final when a miracle happened, everything was in our favor and the other was a Europa League final.

That's non sense. Serie A is very far from EPL in coefficients and are fighting with Portugal for 5th or 6th place. EPL would have had 4 places irrespective of what Chelsea achieved.

If anything Chelsea should be thanking ManUtd, Arsenal, Newcastle and to an extent Liverpool for making EPL exciting one and thereby attracting rich owners.

Also there were some reports that Roman wanted to enter football after watching ManUtd Vs Madrid which we won 4-3, so you should be thanking one person for that

But would be in more trouble than it is right now without a doubt. People seem to forget Chelsea were actually a club before 2003, infact we made the Champions League twice without the owner, shock horror.

Spent 120 million (more or less) and addressed none of the weakness in the squad.

As i said, not all the money was spent wisely so the problems were not addressed properly.