If you're right, then it's a case of incompatibility, because by all accounts communication is very important to him (not all the players are the same). If Alcaraz is right, then thats a bigger issue.
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Up against Hazard, Willian AND Mata for 2 spots considering that Mourinho was set on using Oscar through the middle and Mata on the wings. Loan deal for Ba was only cancelled when Lukaku requested a loan after missing the penalty vs Bayern in the Super Cup ... Even if Ba did stay, I am pretty sure Lukaku could easily have beaten off competition from Ba, Torres and Eto'o to start
In hindsight Mike, you might be right and Mourinho might just be isolating Lukaku and attempting to paint him in bad light before selling him. We will never know. What I think we can all agree on is that Lukaku isn't ready to start for Chelsea either way ... Best he can hope for is a spot behind Costa on the bench
I'v heard many players say they had no contact so may be different for different players.
Adriano was good at one time but in my opinion no-where near as good as Drogba was even at the time of Scolari at Chelsea.
So at worst 4 into 2, and then 3 into 2. Thats pretty standard. Nope, the Ba deal was blocked because you wanted £3m, and preferred it not to be a rival. And chances are seriously limited at 4 into 1 no matter how you try and cut.
Hey, you know me, I'm the biggest Drogba advocate, but we'll agree to disagree on that one! In his pomp in 2005 he was crazy good, an utterly complete forward. Shame his star shone brightly but so short. I will say that by the time Scolari was at Chelsea he was already on the wane though, so that's a mark against big Phil.
I dont think anyone is arguing he is ready to be better than Costa. My point ( and his tbf) is that he's never been given any indication that he has a CHANCE of challenging. **** he's not had any communication at all since september, meanwhile all Jose talks about is new strikers. No wonder he's a tad concerned. If jose doesnt want, he doesnt want him. But you can surely see his stance here.
I don't want to belittle Schurrle defensively contribution at all. It's just that Willian has that endless stamina and pace that lets him win the ball back in our half one moment and still be in the opponent's penalty area a few seconds later.
Thanks mate. I've been slowly getting more and more frustrated with Lukaku, and I've really gained a lot of respect for Schurrle this year. This moment sticks out in my mind especially:
He had been really inconsistent all year and he seen 2/3 good games in a Chelsea shirt since the start of the season. He was going through a bad spell and had been dropped a lot. Mourinho had told him to bulk up and adapt to the PL. Then came this game against Fulham, where he ripped them apart. The joy on his face was infectious: it was obvious that he was proud of his accomplishment and gald to have repaid the club's faith in him. After the game, he praised the manager for developing him and Hazard for giving him some amazing chances.
This is where Lukaku would have said something along the lines of: "I was capable this all along, if only people could have seen it sooner." You only have to look at his reaction when Wilmots subbed him off: the guy had a tantrum, started mouthing off then basically told his concerned teammates to **** off.
So, how did our man Schurrle react to finally proving that he was good enough. Was it with that arrogance and sense of smug entitelement? No.
The difference in class and maturity is staggering.
Could've been very different if Lukaku had stayed. If Lukaku was there then Ba would almost certainly have been off, whether it be loan or transfer.
This is a massive supposition. We don't actually know any of this, pretending we do isn't helping. As far as we know Jose's been trying to call him every day and Lukaku's sulking about it.
If there's one thing Mourinho is good at it's communication and developing relationships with his players. So why wouldn't he do it for Lukaku? Something's fishy, and so I'm not willing to take Lukaku's stories at face value.
I don't want to belittle Schurrle defensively contribution at all. It's just that Willian has that endless stamina and pace that lets him win the ball back in our half one moment and still be in the opponent's penalty area a few seconds later.
Thanks mate. I've been slowly getting more and more frustrated with Lukaku, and I've really gained a lot of respect for Schurrle this year. This moment sticks out in my mind especially:
He had been really inconsistent all year and he seen 2/3 good games in a Chelsea shirt since the start of the season. He was going through a bad spell and had been dropped a lot. Mourinho had told him to bulk up and adapt to the PL. Then came this game against Fulham, where he ripped them apart. The joy on his face was infectious: it was obvious that he was proud of his accomplishment and gald to have repaid the club's faith in him. After the game, he praised the manager for developing him and Hazard for giving him some amazing chances.
This is where Lukaku would have said something along the lines of: "I was capable this all along, if only people could have seen it sooner." You only have to look at his reaction when Wilmots subbed him off: the guy had a tantrum, started mouthing off then basically told his concerned teammates to **** off.
So, how did our man Schurrle react to finally proving that he was good enough. Was it with that arrogance and sense of smug entitelement? No.
The difference in class and maturity is staggering. [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]
All 3 finishes against Fulham were cold blooded striker finishes! Made me think he could lead the line.
why you heff to be mad?
I dont think I've ever said Jose isnt good at communcation. I said that Lukaku has said he hasnt recieved any communication. Don't be hating on me. I know you came to start a war from your FB.
You keep saying this as if poor Lukaku was brought back from his loan last season then shipped straight back out again without a word. He asked to be loaned for another season. We wanted him to stay. If he was half as good as he thinks he is, he should have stayed and fought for his place. I mean for ****'s sake, his competition was Ba, Torres and an out of form Eto'o. It was a golden opportunity to prove that he was good enough, get serious game time and fight for his spot as Chelsea number one. He decided not to. That's on his head, not ours, so it seems a little strange when he goes to the press ******** about being frozen out.
To me, the biggest problem with your argument is that it's just so unlikely. Now with Chelsea, you can never discount the possibility of insanity but it does seem highly improbable that Lukaku would be told at the start of the 13/14 season that he wouldn't be able to crack into the first team,especially when we so desperate for strikers and Mourinho loves players that are hungry to win. It also seems unlikely that he's just an innocent victim of the uncaring Chelsea machine that has shipped him off and cut all ties when lots of our loanees talk about how they have regular contact with Mourinho/senior staff about their development. That seems all the more outlandish when you consider that Mourinho has done little to damage Lukaku's reputation (unlike with Mata): almost everything he has said has been in response to Lukaku's constant comments to the press.
The most probable and likely situation seems to be that this is a problem entire of Lukaku's own creation. Now, there's a chance that this isn't the case but it's slim and it flies in the face of almost every piece of evidence that we have. There's only so many times that one can excuse his actions with supposed mitigating circumstances.
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Hey, I'm just responding to what you said. Lukaku looks like he's straight up lying. I find it very hard to believe Chelsea haven't talked to him AT ALL.
Got like 68 retweets for this which is like a record for me lol.
Hypothetically speaking, I reckon the club will get a pretty sizeable fee if they decide to sell Lukaku and Cech. Who would you guys bring in as replacements? For me, money should definitely be spent on Filipe Luis and a striker. I really don't want to take the risk of seeing Torres/Ba leading our line for an extended period of time if Costa gets injured
Not even close. At least he plays well with Thiago Silva and if it doesn't work he can play as CM/DM where he plays to decent level.
On the other hand the fee you guys paid for Torres and Sheva..
Calm down, I said 'at the moment' ... It was obviously in jest to his horrific performance against Germany where he completely lost his head
And to be fair, while Torres and Sheva don't win us games ... At least they don't actively lose games at the rate Luiz does. Also I assume PSG were paying £50m for Luiz the defender and not Luiz the midfielder. In either scenario, he isn't worth £50m. At least, Torres and Sheva at their peak looked like £50m and £30m players respectively
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The only time Torres look anything close to a £50m player was before he went to Chelsea, bit of a silly thing to say.
Umm read what I said. At least Torres did look like a £50m player once upon a time. Luiz has never looked like one in his lifetime
Absolutely terrible at the WC, literally I think he was one of the worst players. It's high-time he starts talking the talk and putting in the performances he's supposedly capable of. No where near as good as he like to think to himself he is, nor that of his wage at Chelsea.
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Back to Lukaku... right.... so if Jose (Chelsea) didn't force him to go out on loan both of them times (which we can't be sure about).... the better solution was to sit on the bench for at least 50% of the games rather than play consistently at another club in the same league at a young age like he is? Right. Do a Ba and hardly play at all... that's great for development.
Like I said earlier, how can a player show himself capable if he doesn't get a run of games, he has shown what he's capable of at Everton and West Brom when this has happened.
It's so easy to judge a player at this WC off one or two games and say oh look at this weakness or that..... if we are doing that we can say Hazard is semi-pro and Diego Costa is worse.
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