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You are not seeing the patter isn't it.

KDB left as he wasn't given any chance, few Chelsea fans said he wasn't good enough or mentally strong.
2 times player of the year Mata left, he wasn't good enough defensively anyways.
Lukaku left, he is weak mentally. Can't compete with Costa.

And all these players were praised to heavens when they were signed.

And their criticism was justified as well. Just like Moyes was the 'chosen one' when he signed ;)
 
Runs his mouth off, throws his toys out the pram, potentially upset the squad harmony lol. He hasn't done anything of this still Chelsea fans started to attack him about his weak mentality. If anything he has been top pro who wants to play rather than warm the bench.

Not sure when did he upset dressing room to say potentially he could. Same thing can be said about every single player in the world.

He gave 1 or 2 interviews which is normal for any young player who wants to play. He said he doesn't mind leaving if he doesn't get chance. That's fair enough interview. Only Chelsea fans can see it as something weak mentality. Not every player wants to go out on loan forever or warm bench.

It's a great deal for Chelsea but the way some Chelsea fans go about him is worse than United fans going on about Pogba. He signed 3 years back, he didn't get the chance so he wants to leave for his career. Not sure why Chelsea fans are so upset that they started to fabricate stories.

Also I don't remember his creating any problems at all for Chelsea. He had a word with Jose and wants out. What's wrong in that?

Also few Chelsea fans using World cup as argument to prove he isn't good enough for top club, well Hazard was worse than him or at least as worse.

Obviously you haven't read his interviews
 
Not really. He was loaned to Rayo Vallencao where he scored 10 in 16 games despite being injured for most of the season. Atletico sold Augerui and bought Falcao in the summer and didn't give him a chance. He came back and competed with Falcao instead of running off. Proved himself on the pitch. Wasn't afraid of competiion

I'm taking numbers from Wiki,
2011-12 he scored 10 goals for Rayo.
2012-13 he played 31 league games along with Falcao.

Lukaku,
2012-13 - Scored 17 league goals.
2013-14 - scored 15 league goals.

Still didn't get chance. Difference is Costa got the chance after the scored 10 goals for Rayo whereas Lukaku didn't after scoring 17 league goals.

He didn't compete with Falcao, he played alongside him.

There are so many difference in both scenarios, not even sure why you are trying to compare and blame Lukaku.

Again, there is nothing about clubs wanting Costa when he was loaned out.
Costa was trusted by Atletico and proved it by playing 31 league games and before that he started 28 league games.

Atletico instead of buying a new striker when they sold Falcao, they trusted Costa to lead the line, which is completely different from what Chelsea did.
 
Two sides to every coin. Lukaku perhaps could have progressed faster if he stayed and competed with Costa. He would have gotten enough minutes on the pitch as well. At Everton, their will be no striker to push him. He will be the undisputed No.1. Would be hilarious if he ends up getting dropped though ... Just like the WC
 
And their criticism was justified as well. Just like Moyes was the 'chosen one' when he signed ;)

Not sure what Moyes has got to do with Lukaku.

Obviously you haven't read his interviews

Which interviews he had a go at Chelsea? In all his interviews he said he would leave if not given chance which is fair one.
 
Two sides to every coin. Lukaku perhaps could have progressed faster if he stayed and competed with Costa. He would have gotten enough minutes on the pitch as well. At Everton, their will be no striker to push him. He will be the undisputed No.1. Would be hilarious if he ends up getting dropped though ... Just like the WC

Couldn't hide the bitterness anymore.

Yeah players will improve by playing on bench.
 
So you are saying that Lukaku and KDB's are good enough to start for Chelsea?

I'm saying neither are mentally weak, and KDB could have been a regular by now, and Lukaku as the potential to be a regular
 
I'm taking numbers from Wiki,
2011-12 he scored 10 goals for Rayo.
2012-13 he played 31 league games along with Falcao.

Lukaku,
2012-13 - Scored 17 league goals.
2013-14 - scored 15 league goals.

Still didn't get chance. Difference is Costa got the chance after the scored 10 goals for Rayo whereas Lukaku didn't after scoring 17 league goals.

He didn't compete with Falcao, he played alongside him.

There are so many difference in both scenarios, not even sure why you are trying to compare and blame Lukaku.

Again, there is nothing about clubs wanting Costa when he was loaned out.
Costa was trusted by Atletico and proved it by playing 31 league games and before that he started 28 league games.

Atletico instead of buying a new striker when they sold Falcao, they trusted Costa to lead the line, which is completely different from what Chelsea did.

Costa didn't get the chance in the main striker role. He was shunted to a supporting strikers role or on the wing. He banged in goals and his ability was obvious. Yet he didn't get a chance to be the main striker. Club bought Falcao instead. He didn't moan or run off on loan. He stayed and proved himself on the pitch

Contrast this with Lukaku. He banged in goals with Everton. Chelsea bought Eto'o and didn't make him No.1. Instead of staying and beating Eto'o and Torres to the No.1 Jersey, he decided to go on loan. He didn't want competition. That's the diffrrence

I didn't even criticize Lukaku. I just said one striker embraces competition. Another one doesn't
 
Really don't get the criticism of lukaku here at all, footballers have a short career and the lad wants to play feels he will get more playing time at everton. Your saying he has a weak mentality surely would be easier to warm the bench at chelsea than take a risk on being evertons record signing and having the pressure on him week in week out to deliver?
 
I'm saying neither are mentally weak, and KDB could have been a regular by now, and Lukaku as the potential to be a regular

The doubts over the mental strength is understandable

KDB wanted to start despite not being good enough. His justification ... Oh I stay late after training and stopped drinking Coke and eating chocolate, yet Jose doesn't start me. I am off bye bye

He wouldn't have been a regular. Schurrle, Willian and Oscar all better than him

On Lukaku ... He ran off on loan when Eto'o came. He didn't want competition. Costa embraced competition when Falcao came. He was sent on loan numerous times yet didn't moan about it
 
Really don't get the criticism of lukaku here at all, footballers have a short career and the lad wants to play feels he will get more playing time at everton. Your saying he has a weak mentality surely would be easier to warm the bench at chelsea than take a risk on being evertons record signing and having the pressure on him week in week out to deliver?

I can certainly see both sides here. On one hand, yes it's a good decision by him because he wants to play regularly and decided to drop down a level. On the other hand, it's clear he is afraid of competition

Just pointing out the different ways that Lukaku and Costa approached their careers
 
The doubts over the mental strength is understandable

KDB wanted to start despite not being good enough. His justification ... Oh I stay late after training and stopped drinking Coke and eating chocolate, yet Jose doesn't start me. I am off bye bye

He wouldn't have been a regular. Schurrle, Willian and Oscar all better than him

On Lukaku ... He ran off on loan when Eto'o came. He didn't want competition. Costa embraced competition when Falcao came. He was sent on loan numerous times yet didn't moan about it

So wanting to know if you have the chance to develop properly is a sign of weakness? Thats the poor argument I dont get. Perhaps is why Chelsea hve 4 homegrown players, are not very good at bringing youth through, and now need to sacrifice Mikel or Cech in the CL
 
We need to get away from this assertion that fighting for your place is the only good way to go as a player, and that doing differently is weak. it's false.
 
Not sure what Moyes has got to do with Lukaku.



Which interviews he had a go at Chelsea? In all his interviews he said he would leave if not given chance which is fair one.

Moyes has everything to do with this. Pot calling the kettle black and all that

He said he wanted the starting strikers role or he is off. That's not fair because he isn't good enough to start for a top top club just yet just like how Gerrard isn't a top top player
 
So wanting to know if you have the chance to develop properly is a sign of weakness? Thats the poor argument I dont get. Perhaps is why Chelsea hve 4 homegrown players, are not very good at bringing youth through, and now need to sacrifice Mikel or Cech in the CL

I can actually see both sides of the coin here. Yes Lukaku is right in his own way but one cannot deny that he is afraid of competition. As Jose said ... Lukaku is a good kid who has his own way of organizing his career
 
Costa didn't get the chance in the main striker role. He was shunted to a supporting strikers role or on the wing. He banged in goals and his ability was obvious. Yet he didn't get a chance to be the main striker. Club bought Falcao instead. He didn't moan or run off on loan. He stayed and proved himself on the pitch

Contrast this with Lukaku. He banged in goals with Everton. Chelsea bought Eto'o and didn't make him No.1. Instead of staying and beating Eto'o and Torres to the No.1 Jersey, he decided to go on loan. He didn't want competition. That's the diffrrence

I didn't even criticize Lukaku. I just said one striker embraces competition. Another one doesn't

lol, his ability was obvious? Did you watch Diego Costa in 2011?

Again, Costa played 28 games in 2010-11 and scored 6 goals. Not sure which positon he played, but since Aguero was there it's safe to assume he played second fiddle to Aguero.

Falcao was signed in 2011-12, the year Costa spent at Rayo. By your logic he ran off from Atletico as he could compete with Falcao.

Second 2012-13, he played 31 league games along with Falcao. Do you think Lukaku would have played alonside Falcao? Costa didn't compete with Falcao, he was in the same team playing with Falcao which is a big difference in how Chelsea play.

Still your first post was lolworthy though. A player who didn't more than 10 league goals till last season, his ability was obvious. Yeah we all knew Costa would be scoring goals for fun back in 2011.
 
I can certainly see both sides here. On one hand, yes it's a good decision by him because he wants to play regularly and decided to drop down a level. On the other hand, it's clear he is afraid of competitionJust pointing out the different ways that Lukaku and Costa approached their careers
If there was one way too approach a career than everyone would do that, the fact is there are many you only have to look at rickie lambert you seriously have no point at all to your argument here footballers follow different career paths
 
Moyes has everything to do with this. Pot calling the kettle black and all that

He said he wanted the starting strikers role or he is off. That's not fair because he isn't good enough to start for a top top club just yet just like how Gerrard isn't a top top player

The only way you could have possibly brought Moyes into this is if you wanted to have a dig, as he's not even a player. If's its going to get childish again, tell me now so I can do something else.
 
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